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**Ijs** · 09-25-2018, 01:02 PM

Re: Bajaj Dominar 400 Ownership Experience Thread

Originally posted by VaibhavPisal View Post

Why did you get the idea that I follow him and race around on road? Look at my previous posts.

Sorry my bad it is good that u do not follow such guys, but plz stop advocating against a life saver feature which actually helps and in you case the twin channel abs would have prevented the rear from lifting up and rlp does work i have tested it on gravel and wet, and with abs preventing wheel lock you would have had more control to steer .
And lets not stretch this any more here intrested people can start a new thread or debate on one already existing, if any.
Abs vs non abs.
Lets not highjack Dominar thread.

**msuthar25** · 09-25-2018, 01:12 PM

Re: Bajaj Dominar 400 Ownership Experience Thread

Originally posted by VaibhavPisal View Post

I am not interested in non abs dominar. Please read full discussion.

Stoppie is done by locking wheel only. And I cannot see around corner unless I have taken corner. Read comment and try to comprehend. I have explained clearly.

I am simply discussing pros and cons of having abs. Am only replying to people who quote me. If you are tired of discussing then don't quote me.

Just take discussion to another relevant thread. Our mods will be more than happy to comment on it. It just pains to see ABS discussion going on in an ownership thread as have to search in for relevant information which we are looking for. Hope to see your ownership experience soon.

**#bpk** · 09-25-2018, 01:22 PM

Re: Bajaj Dominar 400 Ownership Experience Thread

Originally posted by Ijs View Post

Sorry my bad it is good that u do not follow such guys, but plz stop advocating against a life saver feature which actually helps and in you case the twin channel abs would have prevented the rear from lifting up and rlp does work i have tested it on gravel and wet, and with abs preventing wheel lock you would have had more control to steer .
And lets not stretch this any more here intrested people can start a new thread or debate on one already existing, if any.
Abs vs non abs.
Lets not highjack Dominar thread.

Yes, some arrogant people can't live without some new techs like fi, but using abs hurts their ego. They think that so called real riders need no abs, their skill is enough for breaking without locking. They're fools actually [emoji13] [emoji13]

**ashwinprakas** · 09-25-2018, 05:46 PM

Re: Does ABS really help?

Just like the answers to all economic questions, the effectiveness of ABS depends on many factors.

1. Rider Skills.
2. Riding Conditions.
3. Tire Type and Age.

I have seen people go ape-poop-crazy on the brakes thinking that ABS would come to the rescue whereas they ended up wrecking their motorcycles simply because they were not using decent rubbers. So do remember, your ABS is only as good as the rubbers you've got on.

As for Skills and Conditions, well those who know will know and those who don't would know.

**#bpk** · 10-10-2018, 11:41 PM

Re: Does ABS really help?

Originally posted by ashwinprakas View Post

Just like the answers to all economic questions, the effectiveness of ABS depends on many factors.

1. Rider Skills.
2. Riding Conditions.
3. Tire Type and Age.

I have seen people go ape-poop-crazy on the brakes thinking that ABS would come to the rescue whereas they ended up wrecking their motorcycles simply because they were not using decent rubbers. So do remember, your ABS is only as good as the rubbers you've got on.

As for Skills and Conditions, well those who know will know and those who don't would know.

Absolutely true [emoji106]

**Dandamudi Mohan Krishna** · 01-04-2019, 12:44 PM

Re: Yamaha YZF R3 Owners Reviews and Experiences

Hi All,

I have found a good deal on secondhand R3 but I have been using CBR250R ABS so I'm kind of hesitant to buy a bike without ABS .
Have anyone changed non-ABS to ABS at Yamaha SVC ? if not can it be done ? and last but not least is it too expensive of an affair?

Regards,
Mohan

**Akash.Yadav** · 01-04-2019, 12:51 PM

Re: Yamaha YZF R3 Owners Reviews and Experiences

Originally posted by Dandamudi Mohan Krishna View Post

Hi All,

I have found a good deal on secondhand R3 but I have been using CBR250R ABS so I'm kind of hesitant to buy a bike without ABS .
Have anyone changed non-ABS to ABS at Yamaha SVC ? if not can it be done ? and last but not least is it too expensive of an affair?

Regards,
Mohan

It may be a self goal in this time but I like my bike to be without ABS or switchable ABS so that I learn more about how the bike behaves, how are the brakes and how they operate. This helps me ride within speed limits of myself and the bike and removes my apprehension about riding any bike that does not have an electric nanny.
R3 is a brilliant bike with sweet engine. It is Yamaha, so one can trust it had done all the R&D and introduced STD version of it too.

**Dandamudi Mohan Krishna** · 01-04-2019, 03:26 PM

Re: Yamaha YZF R3 Owners Reviews and Experiences

Originally posted by Akash.Yadav View Post

It may be a self goal in this time but I like my bike to be without ABS or switchable ABS so that I learn more about how the bike behaves, how are the brakes and how they operate. This helps me ride within speed limits of myself and the bike and removes my apprehension about riding any bike that does not have an electric nanny.
R3 is a brilliant bike with sweet engine. It is Yamaha, so one can trust it had done all the R&D and introduced STD version of it too.

I can totally understand that but I like to have ABS, I'm not a great rider to be honest for me ABS is like having seat belt in the car its not useful on day to day basis but just in case. Especially when you see people just walk into middle of the road talking mobile phones.

**slopegatri** · 01-04-2019, 05:32 PM

Re: Yamaha YZF R3 Owners Reviews and Experiences

Originally posted by Dandamudi Mohan Krishna View Post

Hi All,

I have found a good deal on secondhand R3 but I have been using CBR250R ABS so I'm kind of hesitant to buy a bike without ABS .
Have anyone changed non-ABS to ABS at Yamaha SVC ? if not can it be done ? and last but not least is it too expensive of an affair?

Regards,
Mohan

not sure if anybody has done it on r3, but about the price, only ABS modulator alone costs close to 59k. so total cost will be close to 90-100k.
as it will require new ECU, wiring harness, new console and wheels along with many other small things. retrofitting abs on this bike ain't worth it as the cost will be close to new bike.

**ayrus** · 01-05-2019, 11:50 AM

Re: Yamaha YZF R3 Owners Reviews and Experiences

Originally posted by Dandamudi Mohan Krishna View Post

Hi All,

I have found a good deal on secondhand R3 but I have been using CBR250R ABS so I'm kind of hesitant to buy a bike without ABS .
Have anyone changed non-ABS to ABS at Yamaha SVC ? if not can it be done ? and last but not least is it too expensive of an affair?

Regards,
Mohan

Just try to recollect how many times have you made the ABS kick in so far in your CBR. If it is very less, you can very well get the R3 non-ABS. If it a good number, you need to take a look at your braking technique.

If I get a good deal on a bike, I'll not step away just because it doesn't have ABS, provided everything is in perfect shape. Again, it is just my opinion, others' view may vary.

As mentioned by many people in different people, retrofitting ABS is possible but it will not be as reliable as a factory fitting and reliability will be a big question mark. This is negating the cost of fitting, that far exceeds the cost of getting the same bike with ABS.

Originally posted by Dandamudi Mohan Krishna View Post

I can totally understand that but I like to have ABS, I'm not a great rider to be honest for me ABS is like having seat belt in the car its not useful on day to day basis but just in case. Especially when you see people just walk into middle of the road talking mobile phones.

You can try to get grippy tyres. They are not a replacement for ABS but should definitely improve braking and reduce the chances of wheel-lock. Also remember that ABS is not 100% perfect and may fail at times.

Also, maintain sane speeds. That way, wheel-locks will be a lot more managable and less disastrous.

**Dandamudi Mohan Krishna** · 01-05-2019, 02:55 PM

Re: Yamaha YZF R3 Owners Reviews and Experiences

Originally posted by ayrus View Post

Just try to recollect how many times have you made the ABS kick in so far in your CBR. If it is very less, you can very well get the R3 non-ABS. If it a good number, you need to take a look at your braking technique.

If I get a good deal on a bike, I'll not step away just because it doesn't have ABS, provided everything is in perfect shape. Again, it is just my opinion, others' view may vary.

As mentioned by many people in different people, retrofitting ABS is possible but it will not be as reliable as a factory fitting and reliability will be a big question mark. This is negating the cost of fitting, that far exceeds the cost of getting the same bike with ABS.

You can try to get grippy tyres. They are not a replacement for ABS but should definitely improve braking and reduce the chances of wheel-lock. Also remember that ABS is not 100% perfect and may fail at times.

Also, maintain sane speeds. That way, wheel-locks will be a lot more managable and less disastrous.

Thanks for inputs , you have to understand that its not that the problem is just with the rider , we share roads with others and sometimes we cannot control everything no matter how sane you ride having that extra safety is good thing to have , like I said earlier its like having a seat belt in a car you don't wear seat belt because you get into accident everyday or because you're a bad driver , but in case something goes wrong it acts as safety net. I don't want to retrofit ABS from some third party vendor but if there's an option I would like to get it done from service center especially if its a cost effective else I would like to skip it.

**Fmeeran** · 01-05-2019, 03:32 PM

Re: Yamaha YZF R3 Owners Reviews and Experiences

Originally posted by ayrus View Post

Just try to recollect how many times have you made the ABS kick in so far in your CBR. If it is very less, you can very well get the R3 non-ABS. If it a good number, you need to take a look at your braking technique.

This is like saying, how many times have you had airbags activate in your car? If it is never, you might as well get one without airbags.

I've never had ABS activate on my CBR250R. But I would rather not have to worry about skidding out on the one time that I absolutely might have survived with ABS. That is just my opinion.

Also, by not penalising companies which don't give you the option of safety, you are promoting them.

**ayrus** · 01-05-2019, 04:08 PM

Re: Yamaha YZF R3 Owners Reviews and Experiences

Originally posted by Dandamudi Mohan Krishna View Post

Thanks for inputs , you have to understand that its not that the problem is just with the rider , we share roads with others and sometimes we cannot control everything no matter how sane you ride having that extra safety is good thing to have , like I said earlier its like having a seat belt in a car you don't wear seat belt because you get into accident everyday or because you're a bad driver , but in case something goes wrong it acts as safety net. I don't want to retrofit ABS from some third party vendor but if there's an option I would like to get it done from service center especially if its a cost effective else I would like to skip it.

My thoughts exactly.

Originally posted by Fmeeran View Post

This is like saying, how many times have you had airbags activate in your car? If it is never, you might as well get one without airbags.

I've never had ABS activate on my CBR250R. But I would rather not have to worry about skidding out on the one time that I absolutely might have survived with ABS. That is just my opinion.

Also, by not penalising companies which don't give you the option of safety, you are promoting them.

I'd like to say that your analogy of comparing ABS with airbags is not a correct one though both are close.

I currently have an Apache 200 non-ABS and next time I go to the SVC, I'm gonna ask them whether it is possible to retrofit ABS.

Please read this post

**Akash.Yadav** · 01-05-2019, 04:23 PM

Re: Yamaha YZF R3 Owners Reviews and Experiences

Originally posted by Fmeeran View Post

This is like saying, how many times have you had airbags activate in your car? If it is never, you might as well get one without airbags.

I've never had ABS activate on my CBR250R. But I would rather not have to worry about skidding out on the one time that I absolutely might have survived with ABS. That is just my opinion.

Also, by not penalising companies which don't give you the option of safety, you are promoting them.

A person does not know when a rat or cat or dog has chewed through the ABS wire and it is not working as expected. What happens then?
ABS increases the braking distance but keeps the wheel from locking up. Locking up the rear wheel in a controlled manner(that's why we need to learn the capabilities of the bike and improve our capabilities as well) helps reduce the braking distance.
And if I can add a basic point - speed limit!!
Traffic rules are for a reason. Environmental awareness and following speed limits along with knowing the capabilities of bike and self really makes the best rider.
I'm all up for safety features but do you know, seatbelts and airbags are secondary impact handlers. It is the chassis or the material used for construction of the car that helps. A car that has sturdy build gets better score than a cardboard car which has all Airbags and ABS and God's lightsaber.

**Dandamudi Mohan Krishna** · 01-05-2019, 05:05 PM

Re: Yamaha YZF R3 Owners Reviews and Experiences

Originally posted by Akash.Yadav View Post

A person does not know when a rat or cat or dog has chewed through the ABS wire and it is not working as expected. What happens then?

Not exactly true brother , I'm using CBR for 7 years now it can detect smallest issues in ABS system like if you have a small scratch on sensor the ABS light will start blinking indicating something is wrong.

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