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Re: Yamaha YZF R3 Owners Reviews and Experiences
So that means if the ABS system isn't working then no rides?Originally posted by Dandamudi Mohan Krishna View PostRegards,
Akash Yadav
The world ain't all sunshine and rainbows. It is a very mean and nasty place. It will beat you to your knees and keep you there permanently if you let it.
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Re: Yamaha YZF R3 Owners Reviews and Experiences
You can choose any modern Japanese motorcycle you want and if you can show me that you can outbrake on a non-ABS version over me riding the bike with ABS in any condition but deep sand or deep mud, I'll buy a hat and eat it.Originally posted by Akash.Yadav View PostA person does not know when a rat or cat or dog has chewed through the ABS wire and it is not working as expected. What happens then?
ABS increases the braking distance but keeps the wheel from locking up. Locking up the rear wheel in a controlled manner(that's why we need to learn the capabilities of the bike and improve our capabilities as well) helps reduce the braking distance.
And if I can add a basic point - speed limit!!
Traffic rules are for a reason. Environmental awareness and following speed limits along with knowing the capabilities of bike and self really makes the best rider.
I'm all up for safety features but do you know, seatbelts and airbags are secondary impact handlers. It is the chassis or the material used for construction of the car that helps. A car that has sturdy build gets better score than a cardboard car which has all Airbags and ABS and God's lightsaber.
We can do this at 40kmph if you want. ABS kicks in from 10kmph and depending on road conditions you can skid at as low as 20kmph.
ABS increasing braking distances is under ideal conditions for motorcycling experts. I'm not one and I don't think either are you. Mick Doohan, maybe. But all of us mere mortals does not hold.
As about sturdy build of car, please look up crumple zones. And why do you think an Ambassador would rate lower on the safety scale compared to a Honda city?
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Re: Yamaha YZF R3 Owners Reviews and Experiences
Ambassador saves lives.Originally posted by Fmeeran View PostYou can choose any modern Japanese motorcycle you want and if you can show me that you can outbrake on a non-ABS version over me riding the bike with ABS in any condition but deep sand or deep mud, I'll buy a hat and eat it.
We can do this at 40kmph if you want. ABS kicks in from 10kmph and depending on road conditions you can skid at as low as 20kmph.
ABS increasing braking distances is under ideal conditions for motorcycling experts. I'm not one and I don't think either are you. Mick Doohan, maybe. But all of us mere mortals does not hold.
As about sturdy build of car, please look up crumple zones. And why do you think an Ambassador would rate lower on the safety scale compared to a Honda city?
City not so(friend's friend is gone in a top end City which crashed with Mahindra MM540).
I'm not comparing anything. I ride at legal speeds all the time. Cannot afford a bigger bike than my humble 220. If illegal speeds are ok then I'm out. [emoji4]
Peace!!!
The original poster can buy it or not, his choice and I'm not gonna complain.Regards,
Akash Yadav
The world ain't all sunshine and rainbows. It is a very mean and nasty place. It will beat you to your knees and keep you there permanently if you let it.
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Re: Yamaha YZF R3 Owners Reviews and Experiences
Originally posted by Fmeeran View PostBut all of us mere mortals does not hold.Too much off-topic on the thread already but adding some off-topic to the thread from my side,Originally posted by Akash.Yadav View PostI'm not comparing anything.
You wear a helmet not because you are going to crash every minute while you ride and break your head, but at the event of a CRASH it is going to save some bit(not 100% that everyone knows, but it adds to some of the extra percentage towards safety than the lack of it) and the impact was to your head. How many times has one crashed with broken head while riding helmet and lived to tell a tale please elaborate?
If one thinks ABS is a bad thing and if one individual is able to ride all without it, then more power to him. Like all the materialistic things in this world nothing is 100% fail proof or 100% rat bite resistant, but at the end of the day if you know how to use both the good things and best of both things from the ABS(exclude the buggy part rat bite, increase in braking distance) and use extra bit of basic common sense which you have learnt from riding a non-ABS bike (stuff like engine braking, revv-matching, modulating the brake lever, on-off braking in pulses etc etc) add these to the things that ABS offers then there is harm in having ABS in the first place.
At the end of the day we are biking community here with each individuals having their own preferences and riding style, all we hope is for a safe and joyful ride to each person and drive in a safe manner no matter whatever the ways you choose.
Cheers and Safe rides.Last edited by kiran2508; 01-06-2019, 12:38 AM.Bajaj SuperFE 150 - Forever in my heart
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Re: Yamaha YZF R3 Owners Reviews and Experiences
I'm telling this and agree : the OP can buy R3 or leave it. It's his decision and his only. If I had any ₹₹ with me, I'll take that R3 almost immediately.Originally posted by kiran2508 View PostToo much off-topic on the thread already but adding some off-topic to the thread from my side,
You wear a helmet not because you are going to crash every minute while you ride and break your head, but at the event of a CRASH it is going to save some bit(not 100% that everyone knows, but it adds to some of the extra percentage towards safety than the lack of it) and the impact was to your head. How many times has one crashed with broken head while riding helmet and lived to tell a tale please elaborate?
If one thinks ABS is a bad thing and if one individual is able to ride all without it, then more power to him. Like all the materialistic things in this world nothing is 100% fail proof or 100% rat bite resistant, but at the end of the day if you know how to use both the good things from ABS(exclude the buggy part) and use extra bit of basic common sense which you have learnt from riding a non-ABS bike add it to the things that ABS offers then there is harm in having ABS in the first place.
Cheers and Safe rides.
May be just not fortunate to own a sweet big engined bike.Regards,
Akash Yadav
The world ain't all sunshine and rainbows. It is a very mean and nasty place. It will beat you to your knees and keep you there permanently if you let it.
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Re: Yamaha YZF R3 Owners Reviews and Experiences
AgreedOriginally posted by Akash.Yadav View PostI'm telling this and agree : the OP can buy R3 or leave it. It's his decision and his only. If I had any ₹₹ with me, I'll take that R3 almost immediately.
May be just not fortunate to own a sweet big engined bike.
, if I had the money (nearly 2L+ extra and if it had ABS) I'd have got the R3 instead of RC390 day one, the joy of owning a twin and the way that twin roars and pulls like a dream is something that is still respect even to date and look up-to inspite of owning a machine that produces almost the exact same power figures.
But, you have to concur with me the way Yamaha has treated Indian market with R3 till now like a step-mother, that's what everyone is complaining here in the first place.
They dint not give ABS as an option during launch while for rest of the while world had it and they thought it was a luxury option until Indian government made it mandate and then they had to wake up.
With that regards I respect Honda, TVS, KTM, Bajaj for giving ABS from day 1 for their new gen bikes after 2010, either as option or standard on their bikes above 200cc+ bikes like CBR250R, Apache 180/200 4v, Duke/RC 390, RS200 and Dominar.Last edited by kiran2508; 01-06-2019, 01:06 AM.Bajaj SuperFE 150 - Forever in my heart
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Re: Yamaha YZF R3 Owners Reviews and Experiences
A 100% agreement there Captain!!Originally posted by kiran2508 View PostAgreed
, if I had the money (nearly 2L+ extra and if it had ABS) I'd have got the R3 instead of RC390 day one, the joy of owning a twin and the way that twin roars and pulls like a dream is something that is still respect even to date and look up-to inspite of owning a machine that produces almost the exact same power figures.
But, you have to concur with me the way Yamaha has treated Indian market with R3 till now like a step-mother, that's what everyone is complaining here in the first place.
They dint not give ABS as an option during launch while for rest of the while world had it and they thought it was a luxury option until Indian government made it mandate and then they had to wake up.
With that regards I respect Honda, TVS, KTM, Bajaj for giving ABS from day 1 for their new gen bikes after 2010, either as option or standard on their bikes above 200cc+ bikes like CBR250R, Apache 180/200 4v, Duke/RC 390, RS200 and Dominar.
Yamaha India has treated us like the rich countries treat Somalia and Afghanistan.
I'm sorry if that sentiment is not acceptable here but Yamaha India has been giving us second hand and beaten stuff.
Bajaj-KTM is at the forefront of giving us opportunities to step up and TVS has joined that bandwagon for the greater good.
At 4L+, R3 is a really expensive proposition no matter if its servicing is Rs. 100 per 1L kms.Regards,
Akash Yadav
The world ain't all sunshine and rainbows. It is a very mean and nasty place. It will beat you to your knees and keep you there permanently if you let it.
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Re: Yamaha YZF R3 Owners Reviews and Experiences
No it only disengages the ABS system the brakes will work as normal.Originally posted by Akash.Yadav View PostSo that means if the ABS system isn't working then no rides?
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Hi All,
Thanks all for inputs regarding ABS installation on R3 , I just wanted to know if its possible or not but it went but off-topic sorry about that.
Regards,
Mohan
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Re: Yamaha YZF R3 Owners Reviews and Experiences
If ABS is not a deciding factor and if you are experienced rider, since you've already owned a CBR250R I am assuming you'll already know how to handle powerful bikes, please choose the R3 with eyes closed if the deal is good on the used bike.Originally posted by Dandamudi Mohan Krishna View PostThanks all for inputs regarding ABS installation on R3
But if ABS is a make or break thing then better to save up for the new R3 w/ ABS or something similar with ABS Ninja 300.
Personally I believe that once you are used to a non-ABS bike, even after switching to bike with ABS and revert back to non-ABS after few years, you'll still be able to ride the it with exact same caliber like before.
Hope it helps, for your buying choice.
Please update the same if you get hold the machine.Bajaj SuperFE 150 - Forever in my heart
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Re: Does ABS really help?
Inserting video to watch on how the ABS helped a bit in the real jungle out there.
The bikers were not speeding at just cruising speed with maintaining a safe distance, yet the Tempo in the front came to a stop so suddenly that it'd have been really difficult to bring the bike to stand still so soon even when riding sanely, I guess ABS did it's job in this situation.
Experts can share their views.Bajaj SuperFE 150 - Forever in my heart
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Re: Does ABS really help?
I've CBR 250r ABS n riding ir from Apr 2017. Before CBR I was ridingg Hero Honda Passion+ (2005) & Activa(2014). While riding both Passion n Activa; I had to be very cautious in sudden breaking. In few instances when I had to apply sudden braking, mostly both touched the other vehicles.
But after buying CBR, I was saved many times in close calls. Only in 1 incident, my front wheel hit the rear guard of Maruti 800. I was fast n both vehicles were very close. This incident taught me that one couldn't rely only on ABS. So even after having ABS I drive carefully. I use my experience, judgement & imagine the scenario of the traffic. But when sometimes things r out of control then surely ABS would help me, just like sudden breaking of the vehicle ahead of u.
Also I drove frnd's Bajaj NS 200 which had single channel ABS. I rode it on my routine route. But it's rear wheel locked n skid while I used sudden breaking to slow down. I never faced it on my CBR.
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