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  • MHG
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    Can someone tell me about these differences between P200NS and D200 ? I searched but did not find these differences stated anywhere.

    1. The wheelbase is identical almost, while the seat looks much smaller on the Duke. Is the Duke also more cramped when someone is using it solo (WRT 6'+ guys) ? Or are they identical solo ??
    2. What is the difference in cruising mileage @ 100 km/h on a highway ? Cruising meaning no ripping and steady speeds.
    3. Which bike has a higher seat or is this identical as well ?
    4. Duke website says RON95 petrol is needed. Is it true for Indian version as well ?

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  • Rahulbarik
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    Originally posted by Rohan200ns View Post
    duke is more than 7secs quicker than ns in 0-120 .. that means , ns not even seen in duke's rvm
    WTH...! 7 secs faster...omg! How? When? Where? i need a duke you naughty boy you teasing me to go for the duke....? now i am seriously thinking what if i wait for 6 months, save enough money and get the duke btw i have not ridden ns so cant comment but duke goes exeptionally fast till 120, then slows down that too in a very accurate speedo...

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  • princesirohi
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    Originally posted by Rohan200ns View Post
    duke is more than 7secs quicker than ns in 0-120 .. that means , ns not even seen in duke's rvm
    7 secs is too much.....is it correct..?? source..??

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  • sivigshankar
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    Originally posted by Rohan200ns View Post
    i am pretty much sure that both duke and ns can extract 55-60kmpl when constantly ridden at around 70-80kmph .. keep it at 75kmph ideally...
    wind direction, deceleration , acceleration , wieght loss , climatic condition , rider weight , crouched riding position also contribute to FE in a big way ..
    overdrive recently made a comparo of duke vs ns in their mag and the FE figs of both bikes reported by them are very similar .. have a look at the pic below
    The comparison in the Picture states the Duke's top speed is 130kmph..however, it's 136kmph by when the Rev-Limiter will kick in at 11500 RPM..

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  • Rohan200ns
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    Originally posted by Rahulbarik View Post
    I am now getting too tempted to go for the duke... but i have to wait for 6 months then to save the rest...
    duke is more than 7secs quicker than ns in 0-120 .. that means , ns not even seen in duke's rvm

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  • Rahulbarik
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    I am now getting too tempted to go for the duke... but i have to wait for 6 months then to save the rest...

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  • Rohan200ns
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    Originally posted by rahuldevnath View Post
    You got me wrong buddy. I wasn't being sarcastic. MY NS before the at 730Kms (without service) returning just 38, even without ripping. I would really like to do a review plus shoot, if the Duke can really deliver that kind of mileage!

    On Saturday, I was around NICE road, was on my way to Kanakpura, though didn't ride on NICE. After the First Svc, I'm going the engine to its limits on NICE, let's see.
    i am pretty much sure that both duke and ns can extract 55-60kmpl when constantly ridden at around 70-80kmph .. keep it at 75kmph ideally...
    wind direction, deceleration , acceleration , wieght loss , climatic condition , rider weight , crouched riding position also contribute to FE in a big way ..
    overdrive recently made a comparo of duke vs ns in their mag and the FE figs of both bikes reported by them are very similar .. have a look at the pic below

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  • rahuldevnath
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    Originally posted by Rohan200ns View Post
    i am not the only guy reporting this kind of FE .. just go through the early pages of duke thread and one duker has even managed 61kmpl in bangalore by tankfull method ...
    @rahuldevanth - anytime ... i saw a yellow ns on NICE road today morning .. was that you?
    You got me wrong buddy. I wasn't being sarcastic. MY NS before the at 730Kms (without service) returning just 38, even without ripping. I would really like to do a review plus shoot, if the Duke can really deliver that kind of mileage!

    On Saturday, I was around NICE road, was on my way to Kanakpura, though didn't ride on NICE. After the First Svc, I'm going the engine to its limits on NICE, let's see.

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  • Rohan200ns
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    Originally posted by vrugonnab View Post
    I'm not too sure on fuel quality bit, if you compare CBR/Ninja got lesser compression ratios than Duke. Besides, with the current standards we get 91 RON almost everywhere.
    the export spec duke is tuned for 95octane petrol so has a higher compression ratio..Indian spec duke is tuned for 91octane petrol and hence has lesser compression ratio .. read it in ktm official website.... the export spect duke gets 300mm front disc with two piston caliper , whereas we get 280mm with 4 piston caliper..

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  • vrugonnab
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    Originally posted by Rahulbarik View Post
    just one correction... Ns rev-limiter is at 10800 rpm...



    BTW someone mentioned 98kmpl on duke...WTF! I mean how...? How was he riding...? I need a duke
    Thanks for the correction, that was a typo

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  • Rahulbarik
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    Originally posted by vrugonnab View Post
    Duke isn't exactly tuned to it's limits in it's current state in India and obviously that has been done so that it gives better FE. One can easily dabble with ECU and make it produce 28 bhp and make it rev till 11.8k rpm. But with Pulsar that's not the case. It's using Carburettor, already revving till 11.8k rpm, so in a way Pulsar is stretched to it's limits. They have got the maximum possible power from that 200cc mill using carburettor. So, it's but natural that Duke has the edge as far as FE is concerned, not to mention it's almost 20kg lighter when compared to P200NS. Of course, riding style matters, but IMO, if things are equal, Duke will always return better mileage.
    just one correction... Ns rev-limiter is at 10800 rpm...



    BTW someone mentioned 98kmpl on duke...WTF! I mean how...? How was he riding...? I need a duke

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  • vrugonnab
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    Originally posted by Rohan200ns View Post
    the compression ratio of Indian spec duke is lesser than export spec duke mainly cuz of fuel quality here .. there are a lot of ecu remaps available for duke currently .. i need to gather more real world info regarding them ..
    I'm not too sure on fuel quality bit, if you compare CBR/Ninja got lesser compression ratios than Duke. Besides, with the current standards we get 91 RON almost everywhere.

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  • Rohan200ns
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    Originally posted by vrugonnab View Post
    Duke isn't exactly tuned to it's limits in it's current state in India and obviously that has been done so that it gives better FE. One can easily dabble with ECU and make it produce 28 bhp and make it rev till 11.8k rpm. But with Pulsar that's not the case. It's using Carburettor, already revving till 11.8k rpm, so in a way Pulsar is stretched to it's limits. They have got the maximum possible power from that 200cc mill using carburettor. So, it's but natural that Duke has the edge as far as FE is concerned, not to mention it's almost 20kg lighter when compared to P200NS. Of course, riding style matters, but IMO, if things are equal, Duke will always return better mileage.
    the compression ratio of Indian spec duke is lesser than export spec duke mainly cuz of fuel quality here .. there are a lot of ecu remaps available for duke currently .. i need to gather more real world info regarding them ..

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  • vrugonnab
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    Duke isn't exactly tuned to it's limits in it's current state in India and obviously that has been done so that it gives better FE. One can easily dabble with ECU and make it produce 28 bhp and make it rev till 11.8k rpm. But with Pulsar that's not the case. It's using Carburettor, already revving till 11.8k rpm, so in a way Pulsar is stretched to it's limits. They have got the maximum possible power from that 200cc mill using carburettor. So, it's but natural that Duke has the edge as far as FE is concerned, not to mention it's almost 20kg lighter when compared to P200NS. Of course, riding style matters, but IMO, if things are equal, Duke will always return better mileage.

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  • MACH50
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    Originally posted by Shibadip View Post
    But taking ur facts between R15 and GS150R, then Duke should give lower Mileage than NS.
    It is not that easy to decide.........

    Agreed that GS150R provides more mileage than the R15 despite being heavier and carbureted, but it is also a fact that GS150R has a slow basic 2valve cam profile in comparison to the light weight high-lift hyperactive 4valve cam profile of the R15.

    So, if u open the throttle on the R15- u will get 0-100 faster and a lower mileage figure,(thanks to the quick work of intaking and exiting fuel and gas respectively) than the stock GS150R.

    But this also is not similar for the Duke and the P200NS - since both machines has the 4valve tech,the parameter is narrowed down to who has got a better fueling and ignition to enhance the engine volumetric efficiency.

    1.As far as I know Fuel Injection plays better than the Carburetor, on a 4 valve engine.
    2.When both bikes have quick engines- it boils down to, who is lighter of the two along with a host of other sensors and this and that in comparison to the varying degrees of ignition by the triple spark.

    So,it all depends on the rider how he rides............but the Duke 200 has more potential for a better mileage in the end due to stringent technology levels.
    Last edited by MACH50; 08-05-2012, 02:13 PM.

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