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  • #16
    Originally posted by princesirohi View Post
    they say it runs on water, just to emphasize on the fact. i don't think it will run purely on water, it has something to do with pre-heated water or steam entered into combustion chamber, it should still use petrol to maintain ignition. thats what i think.
    If petrol is used to ignite then how it'll burn if it is mixed with water or steam...it cant be.

    If u look at the basic design of a steam engine it is something like this



    There is one pipe in each side of the piston which work as a inlet & outlet both.
    A stem/air (both will work in this case) is inserted on both the sides of a piston to move it forward and backward.
    Whereas, in bikes both the valves are are at the top of it fitted in a head and there is no head in case of a steam engine.


    The idea of a compressed air may work i think, only if piston can automatically come upward.
    Suppose if piston is at TDC and if compressed air is inserted via cylinder (no steam because if is impossible to fit a burner in a bike for making steam with water ) then it'll move the piston down, but i dont know if it comes up, lets assume if it is comes up then outlet valve will open to take out the air inside. And so a inlet valve will automatically open when piston will go down after TDC.
    The piston will only go up if the pressure by air compressor will be equal to the pressure produced by the Air Fuel mixture when compressed.

    If dont know if my theory is correct i'm not from a Science background. Let me know your views.
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    • #17
      @all 'googlers' : Agreed that google gives a lot of gyan! But for some stuff, instead of questioning go and do it on your bike. ctrlC and ctrlV does not make you understand everything.Mad mik has exactly said the action of water if added in combustion.
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      • #18
        @ paul1911: we are not discussing steam engine. and yes if we inject steam into the combustion chamber of petrol engine, it won't stop. it will run.@dpak89: just because you know it, does not mean you have to do it. and although there is lot of crap put there on internet, there is also good knowledge and google does help in 95% of cases.
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        • #19
          ^ I never said google is a waste. In fact i studied this information sometime ago through google only. But what do you gain by just reading ? In case it is a difficult thing like some engineering mods, it is acceptable that you cant put it to test. I did tested this after reading about it in the web.This is a simple experiment and by the time you ask questions and discuss you can do this.
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          • #20
            so, what were the results of your experiment, plz share.
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            • #21
              Not worth the risk.
              The cylinder head can be opened and cleaned manually,valves,valve seat,piston crown and bore can also be inspected and valves be polished all at the same time.
              A water spray cannot remove all the carbon from head and piston and on top of this,steam may damage the bore because along with carbon oil film is removed from the bore temporarily.Large particles can get stuck between the valve--Seat and cause pitting which will result in compression loss.

              Doing it manually is not that much easy but it gives satisfaction and good result.

              Splendor's Head Gasket costs Rs.110,head Oil seal O-rings kit cost around Rs.40.

              Carrying out this procedure once in 25k kms seems to be a good idea.

              Do let me know if you agree with me or not.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by princesirohi View Post
                they say it runs on water, just to emphasize on the fact. i don't think it will run purely on water, it has something to do with pre-heated water or steam entered into combustion chamber, it should still use petrol to maintain ignition. thats what i think.
                well, I heard the news on India tv and they said it runs on pure water. I myself dont know much about its working, but for burning fuel is a must.

                Originally posted by paul.1911 View Post
                If petrol is used to ignite then how it'll burn if it is mixed with water or steam...it cant be.
                fine mist/spray of water burns.. or more technically, somehow clears itself from the chamber. have checked it at jugsalai under-bridge (you know what i mean ) on my kinetic honda.

                Originally posted by princesirohi View Post
                so, what were the results of your experiment, plz share.
                yes yes me too dieing to know about desi results..

                Originally posted by shoeb2015 View Post
                Not worth the risk.
                The cylinder head can be opened and cleaned manually,valves,valve seat,piston crown and bore can also be inspected and valves be polished all at the same time.
                A water spray cannot remove all the carbon from head and piston and on top of this,steam may damage the bore because along with carbon oil film is removed from the bore temporarily.Large particles can get stuck between the valve--Seat and cause pitting which will result in compression loss.

                Doing it manually is not that much easy but it gives satisfaction and good result.

                Splendor's Head Gasket costs Rs.110,head Oil seal O-rings kit cost around Rs.40.

                Carrying out this procedure once in 25k kms seems to be a good idea.

                Do let me know if you agree with me or not.

                Me too thinking on the similar grounds. just wanted to hear/read from others.
                BTW, have decarbonised my kinetic honda's piston top+cylinder head. Damn easy job, but opening and re-assembling of parts take time.
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                • #23
                  When i did this there was strange/stutter noise form the engine, but no i did not see any abnormally coloured smoke. just the usual colored smoke in a little more way than usual. Well the motive was not to decarbonize, but just to understand what happens when the water enters inside.
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                  • #25
                    ^with a simple household sprayer.
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                    • #26
                      tried this process on my already worn out engine and the engine is now refusing to start... its got no compression...
                      as long as the throttle was pulled, the engine ran fine... but now its refusing to start.. i even tried replacing the carb with a new one but it does not work...

                      eitherways, my block piston was due for replacement so its not a big worry for me.. maybe the carbon deposit was keeping the engine running and washing it away caused loss of compression...
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                      • #27
                        Originally posted by ROCKRZ View Post
                        tried this process on my already worn out engine and the engine is now refusing to start... its got no compression...
                        as long as the throttle was pulled, the engine ran fine... but now its refusing to start.. i even tried replacing the carb with a new one but it does not work...

                        eitherways, my block piston was due for replacement so its not a big worry for me.. maybe the carbon deposit was keeping the engine running and washing it away caused loss of compression...
                        poor bike....
                        You should video tape your experiments man! Would be both fun and funny!
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                        • #28
                          Re: Engine Decarbonization using Water??

                          So feeding cooler air gives more power? I mean a 14bhp engine can produce more power if we feed it cold air ?



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                          • #29
                            Originally posted by satyenpoojary View Post
                            You should video tape your experiments man! Would be both fun and funny!
                            Trying to build a six stroke machine eh?
                            i did record one of such issues with my bike when the headlight would randomly fliker in hope to analyse what i had skipped but i could never know what was wrong.. partly because electronics is not for me and partly because after a routine service, the issue was resolved...

                            he he... i am still yet to recieve the new block piston set so i thought i might as well experiment with the existing one... eitherways, i believe that what has happened is that either the carbon deposits which were forming a temporary seal have been wahsed off so there is no compression...
                            or it could be that the water injection actually damaged something.. eitherways, will know that only after i replace the block piston.. lets see what i discover now

                            btw, i did not get the 6 stroke joke..
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                            • #30
                              Originally posted by ROCKRZ View Post
                              he he... i am still yet to recieve the new block piston set so i thought i might as well experiment with the existing one... eitherways, i believe that what has happened is that either the carbon deposits which were forming a temporary seal have been wahsed off so there is no compression...
                              or it could be that the water injection actually damaged something.. eitherways, will know that only after i replace the block piston.. lets see what i discover now

                              btw, i did not get the 6 stroke joke..
                              I hope you haven't hydrolocked the engine. That will take a lot more parts to be fixed than your initial estimate.

                              Anyways, did you check the spark plug? Maybe that has gotten wet and thats why the engine ain't starting.
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