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  • #61
    Originally posted by sunny_ View Post
    Who said that? If you're fast and you're not driving straight line then you're driving rash.
    I dont know how many kms you have on the highway.. But I must tell you, If you are fast and want to overtake.. You will have to do it by changing lanes. In India, all vehicles dont follow lane driving.. you will see trucks moving at 20 km/hr on the fast lane and guys like me in every lane, wherever there is space! You can visit youtube videos of Indian highway scene to get better understanding.
    Just see what happens .. Crazy Driving in India (2 lanes become 5 lanes) - YouTube (please spare the driver of the vehicle - Unnecessary honks and completely crappy speeds. he will still honk when no-one is on the road!!)
    If you want to drive in a straight line.. You can do it on a bicycle.. The slowest vehicle is somewhat close to speeds of a bicycle!
    Last edited by muztariq; 09-29-2012, 01:09 AM.

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    • #62
      Originally posted by muztariq View Post
      I dont know how many kms you have on the highway.. But I must tell you, If you are fast and want to overtake.. You will have to do it by changing lanes. In India, all vehicles dont follow lane driving.. you will see trucks moving at 20 km/hr on the fast lane and guys like me in every lane, wherever there is space! You can visit youtube videos of Indian highway scene to get better understanding.
      Just see what happens .. Crazy Driving in India (2 lanes become 5 lanes) - YouTube (please spare the driver of the vehicle - Unnecessary honks and completely crappy speeds. he will still honk when no-one is on the road!!)
      If you want to drive in a straight line.. You can do it on a bicycle.. The slowest vehicle is somewhat close to speeds of a bicycle!
      Respected Sir, if talking about bike only, then I am riding my bike since last 1.5 years and I have done 35k kilometers, out of which ~25k are on the GQ and other highways. Irrespective of yours being fast and want to overtake what I meant was to first slow down and then overtake in case you're changing the lane where visibility is blocked by the heavy vehicle.

      From what you have quoted, "Speed at ~120 km/hr. A truck was going ahead in the left lane. As I was coming close to it It started moving towards right.. blocking my overtake. Two options were there for me - Brake or overtake from left. I chose overtaking from left. To my utter surprise..." you wouldn't have surprised had you waited patiently, or first having a glimpse of whats there in the lane (by first having a safe distance from the truck you want to overtake) where you want to overtake - which somewhat you've also mentioned. All I want to say is, going somewhere where your visibility doesn't permit you to, is simply illogical no matter what your speed is!

      I have learned this on a single way state highway where you have to keep your reflexes alive more frequently specially for bikers, at night many oncoming vehicles don't care to dim their headlights, and when one such vehicle crossed me I was somewhat left from the centre line and my visibility was gone for a few micro-seconds due to that high beam and to my surprise there was a hand pulled rickshaw moving right ahead in my line and I was at some 70kph, had to suddenly react and lucky that no more vehicle was coming from my right so managed not to hit that rickshaw. Also, have had some bad experiences at some blind corners here in Calcutta, so from then onwards I'm extra cautious about visibility first and then speed and thats what I wanted to share with you and all.

      Thanks for your concern about the bicycle part, but having done so in my school life for 3 years, daily 25 kilometers I think I have optimum experience in that too but still I wont ignore a bicycle ride even today.
      Hope to share more experiences, happy riding.

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      • #63
        i am only quoting what you said- if you are not driving in straight line, you are driving rash.
        There is a thin line between rash driving and fast responsible driving. A person can be rash even at 30-40 km/ hr speed.. Sudden lane changes.. etc etc..

        How to identify rash drivers? - They are inconsiderate for others, they do not obey any law/rule, they force themselves upon others - you can hear many brake screeches when they are around.. (they can also be fast - but that's not the criteria! One can manage to be rash within the max speed limit of the road). A person releasing the clutch fast on the red light to raise the front wheel is rash - he may be at zero - 20 km/hr speed.. Dont relate speed to rashness. I am at 130 at times.. Many times I change lanes at speeds above 120. But you cant call me a rash driver.. I am not troubling anyone on the road with my speeds. I am not endangering anyone(not even myself). Changing lanes and not maintaining straight line motion cant be called rash. There is more to it.
        Last edited by muztariq; 09-29-2012, 03:37 PM.

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        • #64
          Originally posted by aargee View Post
          Are only biking experience permitted? If not pls report & remove this post...

          Happened in 2007 Jan when driving Ford Mustang from Troy, MI to Detroit downtown; the speed limit was 70 & I was cruising in 75 & there was these 2 huge 18 wheelers on the middle lane; in the intent of overtaking them, I moved to left lane (speed lane) & increased the speed to 90 (thought it was fun to increase through cruise control than gas pedal). Half way through, one of the 18 wheeler decided to overtake the other 18 wheeler & severed to left most lane without bothering my car (may be thought he could push me out).

          I was just few millimeter away from the truck & instead of reacting, I started staring the truck as how he's severing towards me; those were brief moments & can't forget that scene ever in my life; a black huge truck with big bolts on big wheels running towards me as I watch through the glass window, don't ask me how, but, that few seconds, my Mother's, Wife's & Son's faces flashed right in front of me; somehow I pulled towards the shoulder & pedaled even faster; thanks to the Indian driving skills!!! Had it been India, I would've never failed to give him some worship on words!!!

          Had it not been Mustang, a parked car on the shoulder or a little more ice on the road that day, I wouldn't have even registered in xBhp, forget alone sharing this incident!!!

          PS - Convert all the above numbers to MPH instead of KMPH
          Aargee bro, i can understand the situation you were in and the way you must have felt. But bro, you drived a Ford Mustang, Whoa! i mean vow. Its one of dream cars, man. I think you are more than meets the eye (transformes dialogue) but in ur case, a true one. Ride safe buddy
          Ride Safe
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          • #65
            The best thing to do to keep yourself safe on the highway is to never overtake from the wrong side (left in India). I had a riding partner from Nasik during my early days with xBHP who always made *all* his overtakes from the left. I, by comparison would always overtake from the right. Since our bikes were very evenly matched (both being carb P220s bought within 1 day of each other) so both of us had practically the same bike. What we realized on our rides together was, even though I had to wait on most occasions for the traffic to clear up and kept falling behind whenever there was traffic on the right lane, I wouldn't fall behind too much. In fact after most overtaking maneuvers, it turned out that because I could overtake with much more confidence than he could (since he was constantly worried since he was on the wrong overtaking side), I was the one who was staying ahead!

            So, contrary to what you may feel, *always* overtaking from the right actually saves you time on the road compared to *always* overtaking from the left.

            The one occasion that even this policy of *always* overtaking from the right actually backfired was when I was on my first ever ride with Pune xBHP back in 2010. Most of us had taken a tea break after a rainy 50km ride on NH17 when one of the group riders didn't see us stop and kept riding ahead. I went in pursuit to stop him but he being on a RTR180 was going along at a good clip. In order to catch up with him I was going along at 110+ when I saw a MSRTC bus stopped on the side of the road picking up passengers. I gave it 1 car width of gap and proceeded to overtake the bus going along at the same pace. As soon as I came alongside the bus, I saw that the bus started to move straight into my intended path. I corrected my line slightly but still the bus eventually missed me by maybe a couple of inches. Had I been hit, I would have surely ended up in a ditch on the other side of the road considering the speed at which I was going. (Incident Documented here)

            I have had numerous falls before and after this particular incident but most were only minor and none of those had such high speeds involved.

            Lessons learnt:
            1. Never ride so very fast in a populated area.
            2. Make eye contact/catch the attention of the driver in front before making the overtake.
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            • #66
              Originally posted by muztariq View Post
              i am only quoting what you said- if you are not driving in straight line, you are driving rash.
              There is a thin line between rash driving and fast responsible driving. A person can be rash even at 30-40 km/ hr speed.. Sudden lane changes.. etc etc..

              How to identify rash drivers? - They are inconsiderate for others, they do not obey any law/rule, they force themselves upon others - you can hear many brake screeches when they are around.. (they can also be fast - but that's not the criteria! One can manage to be rash within the max speed limit of the road). A person releasing the clutch fast on the red light to raise the front wheel is rash - he may be at zero - 20 km/hr speed.. Dont relate speed to rashness. I am at 130 at times.. Many times I change lanes at speeds above 120. But you cant call me a rash driver.. I am not troubling anyone on the road with my speeds. I am not endangering anyone(not even myself). Changing lanes and not maintaining straight line motion cant be called rash. There is more to it.
              i never asked to categorise and give various types of rash driving. . "I am at 130 at times.. Many times I change lanes at speeds above 120. But you cant call me a rash driver.. I am not troubling anyone on the road with my speeds. I am not endangering anyone(not even myself). Changing lanes and not maintaining straight line motion cant be called rash. There is more to it." I wrote what I had to, but have to again... never mind. Changing lanes without proper knowledge of whats there(read visibility), is rash. I am not against you driving or changing lanes at 100+, but doing that without above mentioned part is dangerous to you only.

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              • #67
                I am not sure, whether it is appropriate or not - I beep before overtaking on the roads (seen some people following the same). Never tried overtaking with a 3 digit numbers.. In fact never went to 3 digit numbers
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                • #68
                  Originally posted by IronHide Shetty View Post
                  But bro, you drived a Ford Mustang, Whoa! i mean vow. Its one of dream cars, man.
                  Ford mustang is so famous ah !! I never knew though i have seen in games.

                  Originally posted by aargee View Post
                  Happened in 2007 Jan when driving Ford Mustang from Troy, MI to Detroit downtown; the speed limit was 70 & I was cruising in 75 Had it not been Mustang,
                  PS - Convert all the above numbers to MPH instead of KMPH
                  Super sir!. (kalakureenga!)

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by IronHide Shetty View Post
                    I beep before overtaking on the roads (seen some people following the same)
                    It's appropriate, add headlights to blink in addition, will give you amazing results. Anyway, those things don't work in some part of our country...still

                    Originally posted by krishnab4u View Post
                    Super sir!. (kalakureenga!)
                    Bah!!! There're ppl in this world, who've driven Hummer to Ferrari, compared to that, this is nothing. If you're able to get to US, hire a Mustang & fulfill your dreams
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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by aargee View Post
                      Bah!!! There're ppl in this world, who've driven Hummer to Ferrari, compared to that, this is nothing. If you're able to get to US, hire a Mustang & fulfill your dreams

                      There is no limit for your simplicity boss. We were happy that one in our acquaintance has driven Mustang. who cares if Mr. Hyung Shun in Japan drives Ferrari or Mr. Bumblika Bumli from US drives Lamborghini.....surely we will care to see if Actor Kamalahasan drives Hummer. Similar to this sir. What you say IronHide Shetty bro?

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by krishnab4u View Post
                        There is no limit for your simplicity boss. We were happy that one in our acquaintance has driven Mustang. who cares if Mr. Hyung Shun in Japan drives Ferrari or Mr. Bumblika Bumli from US drives Lamborghini.....surely we will care to see if Actor Kamalahasan drives Hummer. Similar to this sir. What you say IronHide Shetty bro?
                        Yes. very well said "Krishnab4u" . we are happy and amazed that we know a guy who has had driven a Ford Mustang- be it rented or owned, doesnt matter. Oh yes regarding simplicity- this guy (aargee) i haven't met him personally but i can surely tell you - he is just like a iceberg- just the tip of his excellency can be seen.
                        Ride Safe
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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by IronHide Shetty View Post
                          Yes. very well said "Krishnab4u" . we are happy and amazed that we know a guy who has had driven a Ford Mustang .
                          ..read well driven to smoke a mammoth Truck in US.

                          Originally posted by IronHide Shetty View Post
                          Oh yes regarding simplicity- this guy (aargee) i haven't met him personally but i can surely tell you - he is just like a iceberg- just the tip of his excellency can be seen.
                          Bro, I also have not met him fyi. Well AARGEE sir, sounds like you are going to catch COLD tomorrow!!!!.

                          btw, we also didn't sugar coat here.
                          Last edited by krishnab4u; 09-29-2012, 10:05 PM.

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                          • #73
                            OK, here's the most recent "heart in mouth" moment and yet funny (at least to me).
                            there's a new toll bridge near my home, connecting Kadma to Adityapur (i guess only locals know these place) anyways, so the thing is it was a Jharkhand bandh day, road was blocked and chaos was there in and around the toll booth. and the connecting road to bridge is above the ground level.

                            below the bridge & connecting road, there was (and still is) a service road (a "kacha road") which was untouched by those **** people.

                            So, I thought, why not ride down the incline (of connecting road), cross the road block and ride up the incline (because service road doesnt cross the river) here I'm talking about 40 degree + incline which is also 30-35 meters long... have done 40' + inclines at my native place but they were only few meters long, so I had the confidence of doing it.. (i thought)

                            riding down was little scary, rear brake doesnt work, just locks the wheel. too much of front brake and I'll topple over doing a stoppie or wheel locks and i'll free fall.. but maintained the required brake pressure, on both the brakes and leg one of little adventure completed with big smile.

                            leg two: gear in use, 1st only. but there's a catch, too much throttle, i'll topple over doing a wheelie. less throttle, i'll stall and fall down (around 30 meter)

                            So, heading straight towards the incline, like sand dune bashing, I throttled smoothly to the stop.. 1/3 distance covered, RPM hit brick wall at 5.5k RPM. *I was smiling with wide open mouth* at around middle of the incline, i noticed RPMs increasing.. at exact 6.5k RPM it did a wheelie.. *I was like shit* i reduced throttle.. it still maintained the wheelie.. tank touching my chest.. cant read speedo/tacho.. only thing visible was blue sky and white clouds.. *SHIT* i reduced the throttle to zero.. now front wheel back to ground.. but bike almost stalled.. tacho reading 2k RPM.. cracked open the throttle.. again wheelie.. reduced throttle.. again near stall.. somehow with rear brake and throttle modulation reached the top, doing kangaroo ride.. phew..

                            then noticed all the same **** people looking at me *with eyes and mouth open* and there were no more chaos..
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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by Honda_CBF View Post
                              OK, here's the most recent "heart in mouth" moment and yet funny (at least to me).
                              there's a new toll bridge near my home, connecting Kadma to Adityapur (i guess only locals know these place) anyways, so the thing is it was a Jharkhand bandh day, road was blocked and chaos was there in and around the toll booth. and the connecting road to bridge is above the ground level.

                              below the bridge & connecting road, there was (and still is) a service road (a "kacha road") which was untouched by those **** people.

                              So, I thought, why not ride down the incline (of connecting road), cross the road block and ride up the incline (because service road doesnt cross the river) here I'm talking about 40 degree + incline which is also 30-35 meters long... have done 40' + inclines at my native place but they were only few meters long, so I had the confidence of doing it.. (i thought)

                              riding down was little scary, rear brake doesnt work, just locks the wheel. too much of front brake and I'll topple over doing a stoppie or wheel locks and i'll free fall.. but maintained the required brake pressure, on both the brakes and leg one of little adventure completed with big smile.

                              leg two: gear in use, 1st only. but there's a catch, too much throttle, i'll topple over doing a wheelie. less throttle, i'll stall and fall down (around 30 meter)

                              So, heading straight towards the incline, like sand dune bashing, I throttled smoothly to the stop.. 1/3 distance covered, RPM hit brick wall at 5.5k RPM. *I was smiling with wide open mouth* at around middle of the incline, i noticed RPMs increasing.. at exact 6.5k RPM it did a wheelie.. *I was like shit* i reduced throttle.. it still maintained the wheelie.. tank touching my chest.. cant read speedo/tacho.. only thing visible was blue sky and white clouds.. *SHIT* i reduced the throttle to zero.. now front wheel back to ground.. but bike almost stalled.. tacho reading 2k RPM.. cracked open the throttle.. again wheelie.. reduced throttle.. again near stall.. somehow with rear brake and throttle modulation reached the top, doing kangaroo ride.. phew..

                              then noticed all the same **** people looking at me *with eyes and mouth open* and there were no more chaos..
                              Ha ha ha.... Johar Jharkhand!!!!
                              I can understand your plight.

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                              • #75
                                hummm...have been on the highways hell lott of a times..and have had a such moments on a few rides.!!! but the worst was while i was returning from Malshej ghat....!!
                                It was around 4pm...My biking group "RoadRunnerz" had been for a weekend ride to malshej...!!! On our way back i was riding with a pillion and had just completed the malshej ghat section in a span of about 30 mins...!! it was dead fast....amazing corners and superfast straight line speeds...!! just after the malshej completes the road narrows down into a single lane...two way road.with a lot of heavy traffic around..!! The road was raised at around 4ft above the ground level with gravel and potholes on both sides before the road made a slopy descent of 4ft..!!....i had this orange swift in front of my...which was purposly not allowing me to overtake....(ego problem)....i made many safe attempts to overtake it...but he somehow dint allow me to overtake..!!!
                                And finally i got an oppourtunity...there was a huge truck in fron of the swift...i was very close to the swift...i made up my mind...now i have an oppourtunity to surpass the car.....from the 5th gear i shifted down to the 4th to gain some momentum...and took my bike to the right....as i reached half the cars length..the swift suddenly came outta its riding lane to overtake the truck....i had no option other than leaving the road and making a maneuver on the gravel and dust...!! i was riding at around...80kmph....moved my right foot from the break peddle....got constant on the throttle....dint let the handle bar moved much...but just allowed it to shoot away any pebble that came in the way...!!! all this happened in a span of around 5seconds....before i was on the tarmac again...!!!! i got back on road with all my controlling skills put together and luck i must say!!...and saved my bike (ZMR), myself and my pillion form a good 4ft fall into some small road side shop...!!! I then cruised at 40-50 for 2-3 kilometres to get back into my normal riding style....and then was back to usual cruising speeds....!!!
                                My pillion being a rider of the P200(with experience of more than 80,000kms under his seat with his machine)...also showed great confidence in me and did not panic ....!!
                                That was one moment i will never forget......and as far as the swift is concerned.....it took an immediate left diversion and moved to a different way...!!!
                                I thank My bike and my Luck for keeping us safe..!!
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