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  • #16
    Well I had experianced that dropping speed during crosswinds had a very opposite effect, I felt more turbulance & was loosing my balance...

    Sadly scientists havnt discovered anything to counter crosswinds...

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    • #17
      -> buy avenger / bullet with wind shields (or even bandit / fazer fz1 )
      -> u can add avenger / bullet wind shield to ur apache but it will look ugly than anything else, just kidding.

      apache is not a touring bike anyway.
      some advises u to ride in a crouch position but how far u can drive in the crouch position ? it will be so tiring. and of course, wind shields dont help when wind hits you from the side.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by amvj View Post
        some advises u to ride in a crouch position but how far u can drive in the crouch position ? it will be so tiring. and of course, wind shields dont help when wind hits you from the side.
        Perfect answer, but I was doubtful wether to add this or not...
        Yes crouching position helps & I too ride that way when there are crosswinds, but its highly dangerous, coz speed is high to keep bike stable in that condition...

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        • #19
          Most of the solutions being given here assume a 'steady' crosswind, almost akin to one produced by a series of fans lining the road. The actual conditions are rather not that synthetic and predictable.

          In reality, cross-winds are gusty, varying both in intensity and direction (the latter to a certain extent). Also, while riding as the motorcyclist passes by large vehicles, they act as momentary windbreaks further complicating the situation. When a bike/rider combo experiences a sidewind, physics as always rules the roost and without willing it, the rider leans his bike 'into' wind. seen from behind, the rider and bike appear tilted from the vertical towards the wind side. This is normal, natural and helps keep the bike in control. The problem occurs when the force that induced this counterleaning gets suddenly removed, as when the rider overtakes a truck. With the wind suddenly cut off, the bike tends to drop and that can make things dangerous. Since the counter-lean is proportional to both the 'side-wind' velocity and the rider's forward velocity, the one sure way of not letting this sudden drop make things dangerous and life-threatening is to ride slower.

          The other way, applicable both for side-winds or strong winds from any which direction, is to become soft and pliable like putty on the saddle. Become the rubber man. Let the soft human body act as a force dampener for the rigid motorcycle. A gust blows in and tilts the bike away from the vertical. If you are 'soft' and not hanging hard to the handles while sitting rigid on the saddle' your body will 'lag' behind in getting blown sideways by the wind compared to the more rigid bike. This delayed pendulous swing will make the rigid motorcycle 'pull' you with it, thus consuming a substantial part of the rotational energy is was imparted upon by the cross-wind gust.

          Tucking in also helps. As a rule, wear snug fitting riding apparel, grip the tank with your knees, tuck in those elbows and crouch a little. But the most important is to remain relaxed and not stiffen up.

          As for bikes in a cross-wind, the full faired ones suffer the most. Seen from the side, there is a lot of surface area for the wind to act upon. Unfaired ones have 'leaky' spaces between the engine and the frame that prevents wind pressure from building up. The worst bikes in a crosswind were the Harley's of the yore (Electraglide types) that had solid rims. Their side-view was one huge sail-cloth surface that would catch the wind and keep it.

          Also, usually, the longer the wheelbase the stabler will the bike be in a cross-wind.
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          • #20
            ^^ Hello sir long time..

            one doubt , so for sudden gushes its only anticipation considering the current riding conditions that apply.. right ?
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            • #21
              Originally posted by avinrichards View Post
              ^^ Hello sir long time..

              one doubt , so for sudden gushes its only anticipation considering the current riding conditions that apply.. right ?
              If you're talking about anticipating the gusts Avin, I don't think one can really do that. This inability to predict the changing wind strength is what becoming 'soft' and 'tucking in' i.e. (reducing the cross-sectional area) is all about.

              What we can anticipate though are the upcoming wind-blocks in the form of large vehicles that we plan to overtake. Being ready for the sudden cessation of wind from the side helps retain control.
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              • #22
                Originally posted by Old Fox View Post
                If you're talking about anticipating the gusts Avin, I don't think one can really do that. This inability to predict the changing wind strength is what becoming 'soft' and 'tucking in' i.e. (reducing the cross-sectional area) is all about.

                What we can anticipate though are the upcoming wind-blocks in the form of large vehicles that we plan to overtake. Being ready for the sudden cessation of wind from the side helps retain control.
                i meant by judging the current weather and then actually maybe reducing the speed .
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                • #23
                  ride the BULL and be GOD, every one make way for the bull.


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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Old Fox View Post
                    Most of the solutions being given here assume a 'steady' crosswind, almost akin to one produced by a series of fans lining the road. The actual conditions are rather not that synthetic and predictable.

                    In reality, cross-winds are gusty, varying both in intensity and direction (the latter to a certain extent). Also, while riding as the motorcyclist passes by large vehicles, they act as momentary windbreaks further complicating the situation. When a bike/rider combo experiences a sidewind, physics as always rules the roost and without willing it, the rider leans his bike 'into' wind. seen from behind, the rider and bike appear tilted from the vertical towards the wind side. This is normal, natural and helps keep the bike in control. The problem occurs when the force that induced this counterleaning gets suddenly removed, as when the rider overtakes a truck. With the wind suddenly cut off, the bike tends to drop and that can make things dangerous. Since the counter-lean is proportional to both the 'side-wind' velocity and the rider's forward velocity, the one sure way of not letting this sudden drop make things dangerous and life-threatening is to ride slower.

                    The other way, applicable both for side-winds or strong winds from any which direction, is to become soft and pliable like putty on the saddle. Become the rubber man. Let the soft human body act as a force dampener for the rigid motorcycle. A gust blows in and tilts the bike away from the vertical. If you are 'soft' and not hanging hard to the handles while sitting rigid on the saddle' your body will 'lag' behind in getting blown sideways by the wind compared to the more rigid bike. This delayed pendulous swing will make the rigid motorcycle 'pull' you with it, thus consuming a substantial part of the rotational energy is was imparted upon by the cross-wind gust.

                    Tucking in also helps. As a rule, wear snug fitting riding apparel, grip the tank with your knees, tuck in those elbows and crouch a little. But the most important is to remain relaxed and not stiffen up.

                    As for bikes in a cross-wind, the full faired ones suffer the most. Seen from the side, there is a lot of surface area for the wind to act upon. Unfaired ones have 'leaky' spaces between the engine and the frame that prevents wind pressure from building up. The worst bikes in a crosswind were the Harley's of the yore (Electraglide types) that had solid rims. Their side-view was one huge sail-cloth surface that would catch the wind and keep it.

                    Also, usually, the longer the wheelbase the stabler will the bike be in a cross-wind.
                    Thanks everyone for your valuable inputs...like Old Fox said I had more problems when the wind suddenly STOPPED....you are being slowly thrown back/sideways...and suddenly BANG..you are thrown front because of the Bikes moving Inertia..this is where you really start shitting bricks!!!....everytime this happened it was almost everytime followed by a furious yelling of "F*** Y** wind!!..You are pissing me off"....That too in the night on the open highway with rain pouring down, you can just imagine my mood!!....
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                    • #25
                      We encountered really strong cross winds on our last ride to Kuntala. Obviously we slowed down a bit&even tried pushing our bikes with our body weight to the other side while riding!
                      As OF said, my bike was the worst affected&crouching helped to a certain extent. The P180 was moving ahead well, he had a
                      If the wind is too strong, it would be best to stop till it subsides. I remember reading about Aryan's friend falling off his bike on the Spiti ride, due to the crosswinds.
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                      • #26
                        riding slow is the best solution and keeping an eye on vehicles coming from behind

                        As per my experience its better to slow down your speed and keep an eye on the traffic coming to your right and using rear brakes can be of great help rather than loosing ones balance

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                        • #27
                          well guys...i live in aamby valley city. lonavala, pune and the kind of winds i face here are the strongest...as far as bikes are concerned ....heavier bikes like bullet might help otherwise bikes with wider tyres like P220 and FZ are good. full fairing bikes like R15 are worse coz they put up more resistance to crosswinds coming from sides....as far as riders are concerned leaning and crouoching helps a bit. sometimes while going from aamby valley to lonavala...the winds are so strong that i travel at a speed of 5-10 KMPH with one feet constantly touching the road..sliding my shoe onthe road...there is an area called north lake in aamby valley city where we have reverse water falls i.e. water falls from a hieght and the wind is so strong it carries all the water upwards and not a drop of water reaches ground below...all the water is blown away......i think u guys can understand how strong winds i face....but thats the beuty of biking...njoy the weather....and winds of course...
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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by princesirohi View Post
                            well guys...i live in aamby valley city. lonavala, pune and the kind of winds i face here are the strongest...as far as bikes are concerned ....heavier bikes like bullet might help otherwise bikes with wider tyres like P220 and FZ are good. full fairing bikes like R15 are worse coz they put up more resistance to crosswinds coming from sides....as far as riders are concerned leaning and crouoching helps a bit. sometimes while going from aamby valley to lonavala...the winds are so strong that i travel at a speed of 5-10 KMPH with one feet constantly touching the road..sliding my shoe onthe road...there is an area called north lake in aamby valley city where we have reverse water falls i.e. water falls from a hieght and the wind is so strong it carries all the water upwards and not a drop of water reaches ground below...all the water is blown away......i think u guys can understand how strong winds i face....but thats the beuty of biking...njoy the weather....and winds of course...
                            Hmm... you face quite strong winds. It is better to stop for sometime when the winds are too strong.

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                            • #29
                              In addition to crosswinds, the vehicles say a speeding HMV or LMV would push us aside & throw you out of the road
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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by whizzkid_ram View Post
                                In addition to crosswinds, the vehicles say a speeding HMV or LMV would push us aside & throw you out of the road
                                In my opinion:
                                Lets take a situation where you are riding at 70kph and a crosswind from the right keeps blowing towards you with varying velocity. Consider a huge loaded truck(the likes of Ashok Leyland) overtakes from the RHS at a speed of 85 kph. What will happen next is the bike will get sucked in towards the truck.

                                WHY?

                                You see the truck creates a vaccum when it passes by you in such a scenario.

                                Old Fox Sir, please correct me if I'm wrong.

                                As for a solution to the problem, reducing speed and stopping entirely if called for, is what I suggest. As also keeping a keen eye on the RVMs like my friend shrinathrao has opined.
                                Last edited by 46wannabe; 07-30-2009, 12:20 AM.
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                                2)Thou shalt respect one's own life and the live's of other road users.
                                3)Thou shalt respect one's own bike.
                                4)Love thy bike as thy self.
                                5)Always wear safety gear.
                                6)Alcohol is a strict NO!
                                7)Thou may lust after thy neighbour's bike specially if its of the R1 kind!
                                8)Thou shalt ride with 'ultra-most' care and caution when on Indian roads.
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