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**MavericK46** · 12-15-2008, 11:44 PM

Originally posted by Killer View Post

In terms of pure physics, the advantages of the new-school style of riding cannot be denied. The lower and farther off to the inside the rider gets his body, the more upright the bike is around a given radius at a given speed. Pure and simple, more is better, so long as your body position doesn't compromise your ability to stay connected to the bike so you can feel what's happening at both contact patches and maintain light and precise inputs on the controls. Since the days of rigid frames and spoked wheels, riding styles are constantly changing. Bike and tire technology, like time, marches forward and waits for no man-not even Schwantz or Doohan.

That explains perfectly, the different riding styles adopted by Mike Hailwood, Kenny Roberts Jr, kevin Schwantz, Mick Doohan and Rossi

Rossi's style is kinda like a mixture of grace and hooliganism methinks. Makes him so goddamn watchable.

@Killer : Reducing the amount of bike lean and concentrating more on body position is recommended on our desi machines or on the firang multi cylinders (OR on both even)..?

P.S : Let me clarify that the discussion is purely for track riding. Im never gonna take a chance on the street with all the four legged cattle and the two legged variety too...

**Killer** · 12-15-2008, 11:49 PM

Originally posted by MavericK46 View Post

@Killer : Reducing the amount of bike lean and concentrating more on body position is recommended on our desi machines or on the firang multi cylinders (OR on both even)..?

Its true for both and especially so for indian bikes with poor tire grip

**MavericK46** · 12-16-2008, 12:03 AM

Originally posted by Killer View Post

Its true for both and especially so for indian bikes with poor tire grip

Will keep that in mind the next time i hit DD hills

Gotta make a pilgrimage to MMSC soon. Atleast to see you in action, if not actually embarass myself there..

**sajiv** · 12-16-2008, 04:24 PM

R15 championship Dec 14th

Here are some pics of the experts(class-B riders at the R15 championship) cornering.
All pics were taken at C1 and this was during the practice session..

**Killer** · 12-16-2008, 06:26 PM

^ Nice thanks, damn those anya riders are small buggers arent they, i'm the thinnest i've ever been and i still look like a giant behind them

**ken cool** · 12-17-2008, 10:02 AM

Originally posted by Killer View Post

@Ken cool: Nothing wrong with you body posture, its just a bit old school (atleast it looks so from the pics). Maybe this link will help you understand the differences in old and new techniques as far as body posture is concerned.

Body Position: Old School Vs. New School - Eric Bostrom - Sport Rider Magazine

At the limits of traction there are advantages and disadvantages to both. For the street though, you're never pushing to such limits, so theres no need for such a 'commited' posture like Eric Bostroms. When you do get to push the limits though, the last paragraph in that link summarises it perfectly - to quote -

In terms of pure physics, the advantages of the new-school style of riding cannot be denied. The lower and farther off to the inside the rider gets his body, the more upright the bike is around a given radius at a given speed. Pure and simple, more is better, so long as your body position doesn't compromise your ability to stay connected to the bike so you can feel what's happening at both contact patches and maintain light and precise inputs on the controls. Since the days of rigid frames and spoked wheels, riding styles are constantly changing. Bike and tire technology, like time, marches forward and waits for no man-not even Schwantz or Doohan.

Thanks Killer, for taking the time to reply and finding links that I am going through. Just a reply from you can be inspiring. Thanks again.

Originally posted by Puneet1 View Post

what location have the 2 Pics posted taken from ??

Gurgaon.

**Puneet1** · 12-19-2008, 10:36 PM

Originally posted by ken cool View Post

Thanks Killer, for taking the time to reply and finding links that I am going through. Just a reply from you can be inspiring. Thanks again.

Gurgaon.

is that the left turn after crossing border naa ??

i ride there everyday n love leaning my bike at 90+

that road is great for leaning n checking top speed of any small bike in that huge downhill area

**SAGARR_46** · 12-30-2008, 06:00 PM

Originally posted by Technocrat View Post

Killer that chap was scraping knees at speed atleast 15 kph lesser than mine, I shifting body weight but hardly needed as hang as he was doing.

Also this was a wide curve on a level surface I really wonder how fast he would be with all that lean than some one who is not leaning as much

p.s. unable to see your images as its blocked in office

Originally posted by Killer View Post

Yup i dont dispute that, it simply means that neither of you were travelling fast enough to benefit from hanging off the bike. Riders learning how to hang off tend to overdo it and exagerate their body position, ofcourse they generally arent travelling very fast while doing so. However top riding schools who teach the technique on the race track, encourage newbie riders to exagerate their body position so as to get used to it and then eventually build on speed. If you do not learn the technique early on, you will be fast up to a point and then going beyond that point will become a problem. At that point it will be even harder to unlearn the old habit and learn a new one.

Wow I did not know that I have been a topic of conversation on this thread for so long

I remember passing by Technocrat on a couple of occasions that morning near the Lavasa entrance. Its just been a month or two since I have finally able to put my knee down and have been trying to sharpen my riding skills ever since. The place where my pic was taken is an area where i have scrapped my foot-rest on a number of occasions and those were obviously very scary moments. Hence now I tend to get my body out some more to be able to get my knee down rather than scrape my footrest. I am obviously no expert like Killer and have learnt this technique by just watching motogp and reading a few related articles. However, I am darn sure that this technique has definitely helped me take the tighter Lavasa turns much much faster than before as the shift of weight helps the bike change direction quickly and enter the corner at a much higher speed.

**SAGARR_46** · 12-30-2008, 06:20 PM

Hi Guys,
Here is a link to my Lavasa Video which was taken about 2 months ago just after my knee sliders had tasted mother earth for the first time and I on the other hand was obviously floating on Cloud no. 9

Hence I tried to put my knee down on every single turn which ofcourse made my technique and stance look highly exaggerated. Now however, I am really looking to improve my riding technique further by rectifying my mistakes. So Killer I am all ears for your feedback

Also, you will notice in the video that I am not carrying a lot of speed in any of the corners and that is mainly because my friend, shooting the video, was a pillion rider on Andy's 220. To ensure the cam is not shaking a lot, Andy & I had to drop our pace drastically. Nonetheless, hope you guys like it.

YouTube - Knee Down on my R15 at Lavasa

**Sunny** · 12-30-2008, 06:47 PM

@sagar: Nice stuff. i would like you to do that with our Castrol xBhp R15 on the Indian roadtrip. I hope you will agree

**andy.rebels** · 12-30-2008, 06:49 PM

your pic sagar..

topic of discussion

**SAGARR_46** · 12-30-2008, 06:55 PM

Originally posted by Sunny View Post

@sagar: Nice stuff. i would like you to do that with our Castrol xBhp R15 on the Indian roadtrip. I hope you will agree

I would love to

**Technocrat** · 12-30-2008, 07:05 PM

LOL its a small world after all eh

**mithun.08** · 12-30-2008, 07:11 PM

Originally posted by Killer View Post

^ Nice thanks, damn those anya riders are small buggers arent they, i'm the thinnest i've ever been and i still look like a giant behind them

Super shot

**andy.rebels** · 12-30-2008, 07:15 PM

Originally posted by Technocrat View Post

LOL its a small world after all eh

Ya man, thats what i was thinking

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