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**Old Fox** · 12-12-2008, 07:12 PM

Originally posted by Joel View Post

@Aryan - This is how I do. As soon as the corner approaches, shift the body weight to the direction of the turn. Like Killer said somewhere use the ball of the feet to shift mass on the pegs.
Look ahead into the corner, tap the front brake gently to grip the front and also get a safe entry speed you are comfortable with and then shift weight. Hug the corner with your knee indicating your safe lean angle. Through the corner gun the throttle for a faster exit speed.
Infact throttling through the corner will make the bike stay more planted and hold the line. learnt all this with my own set of trials and errors. I could be right or wrong.

Spot on Joel. The 'remain-on-the-throttle' part is vital. A turn takes energy. A little of the physics here: Force = mass x acceleration. And Acceleration=rate of change of Velocity with time. Velocity is a certain speed in a certain 'direction'. Change either the speed or the direction and you induce acceleration and consequently a force.

In the case of a turn, the changing direction shows up as a force(centripetal force). Nothing comes from nothing. So the force uses up the energy (momentum) of the bike. So a steady throttle input is necessary to 'maintain' speed through the corner.

**Joel** · 12-12-2008, 08:05 PM

Oldfox - Thats a superb explanation. Makes pure sense. Track riding is a science of its own than an art.
A few pointers from what I've read and experienced,
Never play with the throttle mid-way in the corner.
Carry a safe corner entry speed, else it will result in a panic entry thereby losing the line.
We have an expert like Killer here to give all the gyaan. This is too much from me

**wonderboy_tm** · 12-12-2008, 08:18 PM

These are my pics on a Pulsar 200... was a casual track day with a friend of mine..... He was on a yellow RTR.... had a tough time keeping up with him, because the preload setting on the p200 were set to soft....... here are two pics......

forgive me as my right foot there is in a awkward position in the second pic.... the jeans i was wearing other day was a year old... and hence no room move around......i guess that explains the foot position.....

**Joel** · 12-12-2008, 08:23 PM

Hey nice pics man. Good lean too.

**wonderboy_tm** · 12-12-2008, 08:26 PM

Originally posted by Joel View Post

Hey nice pics man. Good lean too.

thanks dude...
I was shit scared to push the bike as it was not mine 1 and 2 the rear was all over the place......

i dun have hands on an R15 on the track still ..... may be next time you here, i will have my go .... wont I ???

@apar: you will be my first prey though..... lol

**Joel** · 12-12-2008, 08:36 PM

Sure thing man.
I only have experience of riding a p180 long ago at Kari and I was all over the track

. Have seen one p200 guy practise on the MMSC track, the engine was begging for mercy and like u said the rear was all over again. Full drama when braked hard.

**calvin** · 12-12-2008, 08:39 PM

^^ lucky u guys...
have an access to the track...

why don't we (in mumbai) have 1????

MG · 12-12-2008, 08:44 PM

^^Because you guys have lot of ghat sections in the vicinity and some of them are pretty good for decent amount of leaning practice.Sure thing that it will never be a track but atleast you guys have something to boast of.Think about the guys who stay in NCR region(Delhi and adjoining areas).For kilometers all you can see is a straight line.

@arun-Very good stuff.

**Technocrat** · 12-12-2008, 08:49 PM

@wonderboy_tm- Those are some nice lean pics

yes the 2nd pic is indeed a bit funny

**DriftKingNT** · 12-12-2008, 09:21 PM

Originally posted by MG_Biker1806 View Post

For kilometers all you can see is a straight line..

That is also a good reason to boast of.

**MavericK46** · 12-12-2008, 09:34 PM

Originally posted by Old Fox View Post

Spot on Joel. The 'remain-on-the-throttle' part is vital. A turn takes energy. A little of the physics here: Force = mass x acceleration. And Acceleration=rate of change of Velocity with time. Velocity is a certain speed in a certain 'direction'. Change either the speed or the direction and you induce acceleration and consequently a force.

In the case of a turn, the changing direction shows up as a force(centripetal force). Nothing comes from nothing. So the force uses up the energy (momentum) of the bike. So a steady throttle input is necessary to 'maintain' speed through the corner.

Makes perfect sense. Ive tried going through with a corner with the clutch pulled in.
And ended up with a frighteningly low exit speed. Felt like someone was taking all my corner-mojo away

I guess it was the centripetal force who stole my mojo

Originally posted by Joel View Post

Oldfox - Thats a superb explanation. Makes pure sense. Track riding is a science of its own than an art.
A few pointers from what I've read and experienced,
Never play with the throttle mid-way in the corner.
Carry a safe corner entry speed, else it will result in a panic entry thereby losing the line.
We have an expert like Killer here to give all the gyaan. This is too much from me

Id put you among the experts for sure man.
The R15 pics at MMSC aren't amateurish in any way. They scream proness

**Joel** · 12-12-2008, 09:56 PM

Originally posted by MavericK46 View Post

Id put you among the experts for sure man.
The R15 pics at MMSC aren't amateurish in any way. They scream proness

I have a long way to go man. This is just a start if you ask me. The expert guys are fast, really fast. More than the laptimes, they have so much more race-craft in them. You cant get them down man. Its a different ball-game.

**MavericK46** · 12-12-2008, 10:13 PM

Originally posted by Joel View Post

I have a long way to go man. This is just a start if you ask me. The expert guys are fast, really fast. More than the laptimes, they have so much more race-craft in them. You cant get them down man. Its a different ball-game.

You've seen them in the flesh, hence im sure you know their speed and skill better than any of us.
The rate at which your race craft's improving, im sure you'll be climbing more podiums soon man. Our wishes are there with you

Its time for killer to step in and give us all another 'Killer's go fast tip for the day'

We're waiting killer saar..!!!

**Joel** · 12-12-2008, 10:17 PM

Killer is the man for all the cornering tips. He is the King.

**wonderboy_tm** · 12-13-2008, 12:08 AM

Originally posted by Technocrat View Post

@wonderboy_tm- Those are some nice lean pics

yes the 2nd pic is indeed a bit funny

ahem ahem.... old tight jeans.... makes it a nightmare to get the knee out... so the other leg becomes wider for obvious reasons.......

@joel: i dunno what is hard braking on a pulsar..... but i know what is mid corner dancing..... Pulsar 200 + soft preload setting + heavy rider + C1 (the small bumps at midcorner) = midcorner dancing....... lol !!!!!!

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