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  • #16
    Thnxx for ur advice buddy but i can do it any more as im already a highlight at the svc here due to my unique trials on my bike an in such a small place everyone at the svc clearly remembers me and features of my bike so i need to choose a better option
    Originally posted by shrinathrao View Post
    First big issue you did is you told the service center you did experiment with K&N, to TVS which is already good in screwing customers and taking them for a ride with the pathetic services.

    Similiar issue was faced by one more friend in pune, where he cut the stock filter box and installed the K&N filter and was happy for some time, but than initial he had the same hiccups you have mentioned and finally after some time his engine was seized. So he got hold of a Apache RTR 180 from somewhere removed the entire air filter and fitted the stock one, in such a way that none knows that it was cut and replaced and he claimed the warranty.

    Now the culprit here was when he cut the stock filter to replace the K&N filter a small piece of the stock filter stayed inside and it blocked the air flow and gave same issues which due to the stock filter the service center accepted and replaced all things for free.

    By the way, replace with the stock filter with a new box so cutting is not visible at all and show to service center and never mention that you used K&N.
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    • #17
      Ok, I have a P180 so maybe some pointers can help:

      1. Those MRF Zappers will kill your performance as they're softer compound than your TVS Stock tyres. If you want performance, get those TVS tyres back on your bike. Otherwise, the 100/90 might help a bit.

      Currently, I have R15 soft compound tyres (80/90 and 100/80 x 17) which have killed the performance due to their stickiness.

      2. Yes, a burnout kills the clutch plates of a bike slowly. To ensure less damage to clutch, you can try burnouts on floor, cement roads, muddy roads with less grip, etc.
      I once did a burnout with front tyre on road, and rear on sands. Created quite a sandstorm. Its 17k and my clutch plates are still stock...

      3. Even I had K&N installed. Now answer this: Did you replace/ enlarge the Main jet of your bike while installing K&N?
      If so, firstly replace the main jet back to the normal #125 size from TVS SVC. Jet should cost around Rs. 100 or so. If you don't do this, Joel's kit will also not run on full potential.

      4. Tappets can be done properly by the SVC guys only. Tell them to do it using the proper "tappet gauge".

      Almost all problems that you are facing have been faced by me earlier (K&N, Tappets, Tyres, etc.). Got over them eventually except for those soft tyres.
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      • #18
        your main problem of mileage and engine turning off is caused because of tight tappets as your engine is loosing compression through the valves. set it to company recommended value and your mileage and power loss problem will vanish.
        Clutch plates getting burned so early indicates that you abusing the clutch or the clutch housing(bell) is damaged.
        Timing chain doesn't get damaged on opening the head but it elongates due to continuous running and thus make noise. Although carelessness on part of mechanic can damage timing chain.
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        • #19
          Originally posted by Samarth 619 View Post
          Ok, I have a P180 so maybe some pointers can help:

          1. Those MRF Zappers will kill your performance as they're softer compound than your TVS Stock tyres. If you want performance, get those TVS tyres back on your bike. Otherwise, the 100/90 might help a bit.

          Currently, I have R15 soft compound tyres (80/90 and 100/80 x 17) which have killed the performance due to their stickiness.

          2. Yes, a burnout kills the clutch plates of a bike slowly. To ensure less damage to clutch, you can try burnouts on floor, cement roads, muddy roads with less grip, etc.
          I once did a burnout with front tyre on road, and rear on sands. Created quite a sandstorm. Its 17k and my clutch plates are still stock...

          3. Even I had K&N installed. Now answer this: Did you replace/ enlarge the Main jet of your bike while installing K&N?
          If so, firstly replace the main jet back to the normal #125 size from TVS SVC. Jet should cost around Rs. 100 or so. If you don't do this, Joel's kit will also not run on full potential.

          4. Tappets can be done properly by the SVC guys only. Tell them to do it using the proper "tappet gauge".

          Almost all problems that you are facing have been faced by me earlier (K&N, Tappets, Tyres, etc.). Got over them eventually except for those soft tyres.
          thnxx
          but some points bro

          1.which tyre to use.....the front i need superb grip to do stoppies im planning for a pirelli 90/90-17 cost rs 1900 here...................the rear one zapper is fine now but i dont want to change back to stock tvs can i use michellin pilot sporty 100/90-17 is it good for stunting and indian roads

          2.Yea the clutch problem is no more now...as i have stopped doin burnouts....and i suspect tht in course of burnin the tvs tyre deliberately i fu**ed the clutch plate though i got it changed at 6.5k but was damaged since 2.5k

          3.Had installed a 170 size jet for 1 week but it killed the mileage so i reverted back to stock and yes tht jet gave too much jerks after 9k rpm it just refused to redline thoug the acceleration increased now i have remove all the setup and tommorrow will be reverting back to a new stock bosch plug and power cable

          4. the service guys are clueless here though will try getin them as techy as possible

          5.Can u tell me where to source a p220's projector
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          • #20
            Originally posted by sibun View Post
            your main problem of mileage and engine turning off is caused because of tight tappets as your engine is loosing compression through the valves. set it to company recommended value and your mileage and power loss problem will vanish.
            Clutch plates getting burned so early indicates that you abusing the clutch or the clutch housing(bell) is damaged.
            Timing chain doesn't get damaged on opening the head but it elongates due to continuous running and thus make noise. Although carelessness on part of mechanic can damage timing chain.
            Thnxx will get it set asap...though as of mow i just bought valve seal , both valves only i will tell the mech to not damage the timing chain though and yes no clutch proble as im runin on new clutch plate since last 500 kms,....its super smooth with yamahalube 20w40........but the problem im facing is the oil level is getting low very soon
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            • #21
              Originally posted by UTKARSH STUNTY SHARMA View Post
              i own a apache rtr 180 since last 6 months it has completed 7k kms on odo.....it was a superb bike until some recent problems had started

              1. I had a K&n installed on my bike which i have removed since last 1 week due to blown top end
              2. My bike runs on a 120/80-17 mrf zapper c, 90/90-17 zapper fs and with splitfire wires and bosch iridium spark plug
              3. I always drive the bike at speeds b/w 60-100...nd change gears ar 7k rpm generally
              4.I m using yamaha lube20w40 since the last clutch change earlier i was using valvoline 20w50 since 3k kms
              5.Got the clutch plate changed 4 days ago and got yamahalube.....

              now the problem with my bike is

              1.there is some OIL LEAK from the head(Left side only) of the engine...
              2.My bike dosent get above 8k in the 5th gear easily it takes almost 40 seconds to go from 8-9 in 5th gear but at lower gears there are no issues at all as the bike revs happily till 11k rpm
              3.My filter box had been cut to install k&N earlier and now i have fixed the stock filter back and covered the are nicely with packing tape and glue
              4.The Main problem im getting is that when i got my bike's tappet tightened from a local mechanic the AFR ratio got messed up and the bike's rpm stick from 3-2 while deaccelerating and as soon i hold the clutch the bike turns off....
              5.I m getting a very low mileage of 30 kmpl on my riding where earlier i used to get 40 frm the same
              6.Should i get to 100/90-17 tyres as im much more worried abt performance than grip
              7.My carb is cleaned so no prbs with it and i have
              NO WARRANTY [COLOR=black]on my bike as i had installed a k&n and the svc refused for the warranty

              So plzz help me asap im in Great Great Tension and yes if anypart to be changed then plzz mention tts average price too



              Man o man

              you'll face problem with pickup,severely
              when the engine will heat up the bike wont rev freelly

              You know why?

              cause you put more dense oil in the engine,stick to 20w40.you're on 20w50,bike wont rev freely, pick up will be disastrous!

              using glue and tape to fix the air filter isnt a good idea mate! better replace it!if you can install K&N,then you can buy the replacement of OEM

              Get the AFR checked from SVC.

              If you're so worried about grip, run on flat tire!
              you can use 100/90,it'll reduce your mileage and increase pickup,reduce top end!
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              • #22
                Originally posted by Samarth 619 View Post

                4. Tappets can be done properly by the SVC guys only. Tell them to do it using the proper "tappet gauge".

                Almost all problems that you are facing have been faced by me earlier (K&N, Tappets, Tyres, etc.). Got over them eventually except for those soft tyres.

                You meant feeler's gauge ?
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                • #23
                  Originally posted by haxor View Post
                  Man o man

                  you'll face problem with pickup,severely
                  when the engine will heat up the bike wont rev freelly

                  You know why?

                  cause you put more dense oil in the engine,stick to 20w40.you're on 20w50,bike wont rev freely, pick up will be disastrous!

                  using glue and tape to fix the air filter isnt a good idea mate! better replace it!if you can install K&N,then you can buy the replacement of OEM

                  Get the AFR checked from SVC.

                  If you're so worried about grip, run on flat tire!
                  you can use 100/90,it'll reduce your mileage and increase pickup,reduce top end!

                  Ya im using 20w40mnow its good but once the engine gets hot the top end reduces to 108 it dosent get above it....while on 20w50 i used to touch 115 quite easily......

                  other points are ok but i guess 100/90-17 is a thinner tyre than the stock rtr 180's 110/80-17...so how will it reduce the top end and mileage bro....
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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by UTKARSH STUNTY SHARMA View Post
                    Ya im using 20w40mnow its good but once the engine gets hot the top end reduces to 108 it dosent get above it....while on 20w50 i used to touch 115 quite easily......

                    other points are ok but i guess 100/90-17 is a thinner tyre than the stock rtr 180's 110/80-17...so how will it reduce the top end and mileage bro....
                    lol,

                    I confused it with RTR 160! which i guess has 90/90? :O
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                    • #25
                      "7.My carb is cleaned so no prbs with it and i have NO WARRANTY on my bike as i had installed a k&n and the svc refused for the warranty"

                      do adding k&n voids warranty ? :O
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                      • #26
                        Engine problem with apache rtr 180

                        my apache 180 has completed 16000 km and after it crosses 5000rpm it produces a noise from engine irrespective of gear. The pickup has also decreased much. The service center person told that there was problem with crank shaft and crank chain and needs to be replaced. My bike is the stock one and no modifications have done. Please suggest me an option whether to change them or is there any other alternative.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by venkatkiran03 View Post
                          my apache 180 has completed 16000 km and after it crosses 5000rpm it produces a noise from engine irrespective of gear. The pickup has also decreased much. The service center person told that there was problem with crank shaft and crank chain and needs to be replaced. My bike is the stock one and no modifications have done. Please suggest me an option whether to change them or is there any other alternative.
                          Yes that hints towards a possible issue with the crankshaft. Replace it ASAP!!

                          @Utkarsh
                          Even your RTR's issue somewhat points towards the same symptom. Get the crankshaft/bearing checked.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by chicane1879 View Post
                            Yes that hints towards a possible issue with the crankshaft. Replace it ASAP!!

                            @Utkarsh
                            Even your RTR's issue somewhat points towards the same symptom. Get the crankshaft/bearing checked.
                            Sure will get it checked once the head is opened.....but my engine is supersmooth when its cool...but once i run for about 15 kms then its starts shivering....after 108...though yesterday my frend managed to do 122 on it with a pillion while i was strugling on his 160 hyperedge(with K&N ) at around 119.....so plzz could u tell me tht which jet size shld be used to upjet his 160 mileage is not an issue just want his top speed back...and can they be run on stock plug and cable
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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by kanvis ~ demonoid View Post
                              "7.My carb is cleaned so no prbs with it and i have NO WARRANTY on my bike as i had installed a k&n and the svc refused for the warranty"

                              do adding k&n voids warranty ? :O
                              yes it does if it is spotted by the svc guys
                              STUNTING IS IN MY DNA

                              BIG BORE KIT FOR RTR 180
                              PORTED HEAD ON APACHE RTR 180
                              D.I.Y ON OIL CHANGE FOR APACHE RTR
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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by chicane1879 View Post
                                Yes that hints towards a possible issue with the crankshaft. Replace it ASAP!!

                                @Utkarsh
                                Even your RTR's issue somewhat points towards the same symptom. Get the crankshaft/bearing checked.
                                thank you! i'll change them asap. Please suggest some mods for my bike for increasing its performance.

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