Re: Huge problem with hero honda glamour (2007 model)

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Re: Huge problem with hero honda glamour (2007 model)


put the base on lathe and the guy there will drill a new thread and will also recommend a new bolt of appropriate size....will have to get the crank dissembled.


i did try the above and worked successfully on my friends caliber... i do recall a case in a garrage in which a guy used a wiser but i guess his bolt was fastening well

Re: Huge problem with hero honda glamour (2007 model)

You probably over-tightened the bolt my friend. However, if the lathe guy is good enough, he would lay the bike down flat and create new threading. It is not drilling literally. He would use a T-Spanner kind of instrument that will create new threading. Most probably he would have the correct bolt size. The metal filings might fall inside in the process and hence change new oil. You can take the bike directly to lathe guy who might charge you between 80/- to 120/-.

Good luck!

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Well , folks , atlast I had to get the whole crank case changed .

There is a brilliant cousin of mine (I don’t trust him ) who had this idea of applying m-seal to the broken drain hole of crankcase . I tried to stop him & asked him to help me to get the bike to service center but he didn’t .

After applying m-seal to it, oil was filled , it stopped the leaking. But I was not sure it would work.

[ This brilliant cousin of mine is a mechanic of maruti Suzuki cars(that’s what he syas, I’m not sure what he actually does), I don’t trust him a bit.
In 2006 we bought a used maruti 800 because he said it was a good deal ; gave it to him for all the necessary work .
He kept that for almost 2 months and did nothing except he got it rusted pretty bad . it wouldn’t even start without pushing. So now he leaves it to our house and goes . Then he keeps avoiding us .
Till now I’m unable to find that does he really knows this work and does this for some service center .
He is always at home but lies to be at work .
Well, I hope things get better with him. ]

So I go to an authorized service center of hero viz. Himgiri Automobiles Pvt. Ltd. A-19, New Jhilmil Industrial Area, Near Shahadara Flyover, G T Road, Jhilmil, Delhi – 110095 .

1. As expected a supervisor with an ego comes and says , Oh ! you must not have applied m-seal to it , ye to pathar ban jati hai pathar .
2. This chamber (crankcase) will have to be changed.
3. I asked it will consume too much time , he said yes “saam hi ho jayegi” . He gives a delivery time of 4.30 pm.

I had a telebooking for the bike , my no was 2nd . I reached service center at 8.40 am.

1. Till 12 .00 they only managed to get it washed.

At 12.10 , it’s assigned to a mechanic.
He invests about 15 minutes in cleaning the airfilter .
Then starts dismantling the engine , at 1.10 pm he completes dismantling and takes another bike to service leaving mine there unattended till 4.00 pm.
He assembled the whole engine till 5.30 pm.
I asked the floor incharge about this and he said “parts nahi the” . Mechanic said “mai apni marji se kuch nahi karta , inhone kaha to maine kiya”
He didn’t even clean any parts of the engine .
There was a super splendor next to my bike , and it’s engine parts were being changed and they were cleaned, I asked the floor incharge about it he said “iska engine overhaul hua hai , 15000 ka kharcha hai ”

Can crankcase be replaced properly in about 2.30 hours.?

1. I could make out of the service center at 6.30 pm. I see that the speedometer needle has started shivering , so I go back to the service center , find it hard to spot the floor incharge , ask a lot of people but they keep misguiding me. Atlast I found him , told the problem , he said “speedo to hamnbe khola hi nahi ”
2. The next day I find

1. There are some scratches on the engine opposite to the spark plug side , some part of metal is broken.
2. The bike started to give tick tick sound which was not present prior to all this bad episode.

If I knew that crankcase is made of aluminium then I would have taken better care of the drain bolt and nut & accident pressure (plus injuries to my right forearm and right knee) made me do it such a terrible mistake.


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Hey friend,

Sad to hear your your trouble brother, hope you are fine, its normal to see this kind of SVC in Delhi, I would suggest you to ask them about the tik-tik engine sound and engine side scratches, they will have have to done it and then take your bike to some other service center, I never and ever left my bike at SVC always done all things to be done in front of me even then sometime they miss doing things....
Never the less you can visit Rama road service center if you can come this much far, It is located in west Delhi, my experience is good with them as of now.....

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you mean I should go back there and ask them to rectify those scratches and tick tick sound , Is it worthwhile since I think they will make some stupid excuses as always ?
They might even say we didn't do it (we didn't cause scratches , what's the proof ?) ..

thanks for your reply itsmevini123
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Can anybody suggest a good mechanic for this bike in delhi ? ,

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Re: Huge problem with hero honda glamour (2007 model)

Man the simple solution was to take it to lathe and he would have used a tape to enlarge the hole thread to next oversize and used an oversize thread nut. This would have been the solution. Usually upto three oversize nut are available. No need to dismount he engine or open the engine. Only with Rs.50 you would have done all the works. Opening the engine in SVC is like calling trouble with whistle. And regarding m-seal then no matter how hard the m-seal is just show a gas welding torch for 2 second and it will be removed with ease.

SVC will always be ready to sell crankcase as it is a dead selling item, so they will change it on slight pretext.

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Ya you are right bro, may be thaey will not agree for scratches on the engine but you ask them about the tik-tik sound, tell them that it start coming after they opned the engine talk to SVC manager, he will surely listen to you talk to them in positive aggressiveness, they will surely listen you tell them that otherwise you will complaint in hero and will fire a mail to HQ...

May be they do sort the tik-tik sound without any cost or cut some cost of repair.......

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Well then , I’m totally messed up .

There is a cousin who misguided me a lot.
Now I’m the one with the engine problem.

No need to dismantle the engine , Oh no! If I had known it before I decided to go to service center.
Actually I had pm you about this , maybe your inbox was full ? I wish I had got this answer before heading to service center.



You’ve any solution about this tick tick sound .

How much should the drain bolt be tightened , please tell ?
Can I have you mobile number (mine is 7503267807) , I promise I will not disturb you unnecessarily ?

Thanks
kabir

Re: Huge problem with hero honda glamour (2007 model)

Hey! I feel sorry you had lose out money on a trivial issue.
BTW, did you receive my response (#4) already on "07-18-2013, 04:35 AM" above?

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My post is a little bit disheartening and might make you sad but I felt the need to post it because you will not make the same mistake again.
You should have at-least posted this on the splendor thread to get a quick reply from the members there.

It has been mentioned more than a billion times that the ASC are fit for nothing. They screw-up even a simple task like oil change.
It is highly doubtful that they have changed the crankcase for Rs.3000/-
Labor for dismantling and re-assembling the engine is itself more than Rs.900/- Oil seals, head gasket, complete gasket kit itself costs almost Rs.500/- extra. New crankcase retails for more than Rs.2800/- so I think that either they have dismantled the engine and used a "second hand" crankcase or got it re-threaded from outside.

Tappets could be making noise because the head & block was removed and got out of adjustment. Are you sure that the block is indeed your's and was not swapped ? Can you confirm if the crankcase is new and without scratches ?
If you suspect anything please contact/mail directly to the hero regional office.

Local lathes do a wonderful job of re-threading it. They drill the old threads out, tap a new oversize thread and install a oversize sleeve(usually made out of brass ) which will accept the original size drain bolt.
If you are crazy like me then I would ask them to put some grease in the thread so that it catches the metal filings and then finally flush the engine using old engine oil(while the drain plug is still out)
Simple job which takes only few minutes and it a permanent fix.

Once the drain bolt is finger tight, turn the spanner 1/8th of a turn or give a slight jerk so that it is tight. Go through every single post in splendor thread when free.

We all have learnt lessons in life the hard way sometime or the other. Don't feel sad, be happy that you have learnt something new out of this experience.

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Thanks pertrolhead Sir, I got your reply but couldn't act , totally messed it up.

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Shoeb I'm attaching a pic of the bill, can you confirm about the price of the crankcase ,

and Thanks for your response .

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Latest price of crankcase is Rs.2240/- without discount.
Cylinder head gasket ,drain bolt, washer's price is correct.

Bill looks fine but there is no mention of gasket/packing kit. Once the engine is opened then there are few parts which are to be changed without fail....

Other than visual inspection from outside there is no other way to confirm if the case was replaced or not.
Did you take back your old crankcase ? In second hand market it fetches you more than Rs.500/-

Is this the first time your engine is opened ? How many kms on the odo ?

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Is this possible that they assembled the engine without using gasket / packing kit ? (It will be a huge problem then ....??!!!)
Yes , I took my old crankcase .
Yes this is the fist time engine is opened (odometer = 33500 km) .

I checked the crankcase , looks new .
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I want to learn about engines, should I buy an old bike (jugaad type , ofcourse money will be a problem) and practice on that one (it might sound a silly idea ..).
any other ideas....
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My heartfelt thanks for your response.