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  • #46
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    Originally posted by jayprashanth View Post

    When it comes to tools, please be very cautious while buying anything from China. Indian tool brands like Taparia and Everest, though slightly pricey, are way better than most cheap Chinese imports.

    Cheers,

    Jay
    I second it. Plus Don't buy any "CHINESE TOOLS" from CHINA. They are accidents waiting to happen. ( from own experience)
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    • #47
      But Prashanth, your example was with fastners & not with tools. Definetly I agree the quality of tools from Wurth/Craftsman or even locally made Bosch have better quality then Chinese tools. But, if you would've said the tools break then, it shows the poor quality, but you say the allen head is rounded which makes me think, if the allen bolt is of good quality.

      Having owned Craftsman & Bosch (and atleast 1 from Wurth in future), the feeling of touching the tools itself gives immense pleasure. But I fail to understand the inferiority in Chinese makes.
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      • #48
        @jay , the brand is GENIUS . Its chinese/taiwan I think, but a proper one .Remember I am not the guy who buys it under first look .I do a lot of research before buying some thing .

        I fail to understand why the logic Chinese = fake parts ?

        I recently got 2 tube Ts .They are again awesome like the socket kit I am using .

        There are things I see .

        You have not used a proper Chinese made tool kit . or
        You have used a Indian local fake made tool kit labeled as China make . or
        You have a Chinese tool kit , that is actually fake .

        Saying the above , I also say , the whole world outsources its production to china(from HDDs to underwear ) . They make some of the best things .The thing is to find those best things that are made in china .

        99% the mouse you are using is china make .Just have a look .
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        • #49
          Thanks for the brand info nfsnfs.
          Originally posted by nfsnfs View Post
          They make some of the best things .The thing is to find those best things that are made in china.
          I beg to disagree here. Chinese are good only at copying things than innovating. We, unfortunately, have to admit the sad fact that we're not good at copying in manufacturing sector, but good in CTRL+C & CTRL+V.
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          • #50
            Originally posted by aargee View Post
            Thanks for the brand info nfsnfs.

            I beg to disagree here. Chinese are good only at copying things than innovating. We, unfortunately, have to admit the sad fact that we're not good at copying in manufacturing sector, but good in CTRL+C & CTRL+V.

            have you seen products ,designed in Germany and made in china , designed in JAPAN and made in china .I have seen .They are high quality products.
            How does that matter to you if they copy or paste or cut or paste .
            See that you buy the best , let it be from INDIA ,CHINA or JAPAN .

            OT :
            There are 3 types of products that you get .

            MADE to INDIA .
            IMPORTED to INDIA .
            IMPORTED from INDIA .
            Last edited by nfsnfs; 03-31-2010, 03:31 PM.
            SPEED .....i need more
            I cannot do burnouts :(..my bike has traction control...

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            • #51
              Originally posted by jayprashanth View Post
              Skimping on good quality tools will more often than not result in the tool damaging the part which it works on and this applies to infrequently used tools too. For novices, a couple of broken or warped nuts/bolts usually means the end of DIYing since most people stop fiddling around once they break/warp something. That's why, top quality tools always are better than the cheaper stuff. For example the pathetic allen key that came with my LB500s toolkit almost ended in rounding a critical allen bolt on my timing case. I was lucky to get some good advise before things got bad, but such things most often don't have happy endings. Hence the continued emphasis on good quality tools. Just my two cents.

              Cheers,

              Jay
              I agree with all your statements, especially about quality but my argument is about finding a compromise between quality and price. I have both Indian (Everest, Taparia, etc.) tools as well as Chinese tools. And my experience with Chinese tools has been mixed and not at all unexpected. I use them quite infrequently and for my usage, I don't mind the compromise. If my usage were more frequent, I would then certainly choose good quality Indian tools.

              The difference in price between Indian and Chinese for one Allen key or one spanner isn't very much but consider a full set of spanners, sockets, etc. and the difference becomes very high.

              So buyer beware and their money, their choice.

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              • #52
                Originally posted by aargee View Post
                But Prashanth, your example was with fastners & not with tools. Definetly I agree the quality of tools from Wurth/Craftsman or even locally made Bosch have better quality then Chinese tools. But, if you would've said the tools break then, it shows the poor quality, but you say the allen head is rounded which makes me think, if the allen bolt is of good quality.

                Having owned Craftsman & Bosch (and atleast 1 from Wurth in future), the feeling of touching the tools itself gives immense pleasure. But I fail to understand the inferiority in Chinese makes.
                The example was to highlight that cheap Chinese products most often don't pass muster in the quality stakes. What I didn't say was the rounding was caused by a Chinese allen key which was gouged after being used a few times.

                Originally posted by nfsnfs View Post
                @jay , the brand is GENIUS . Its chinese/taiwan I think, but a proper one .Remember I am not the guy who buys it under first look .I do a lot of research before buying some thing .

                I fail to understand why the logic Chinese = fake parts ?

                I recently got 2 tube Ts .They are again awesome like the socket kit I am using .

                There are things I see .

                You have not used a proper Chinese made tool kit . or
                You have used a Indian local fake made tool kit labeled as China make . or
                You have a Chinese tool kit , that is actually fake .

                Saying the above , I also say , the whole world outsources its production to china(from HDDs to underwear ) . They make some of the best things .The thing is to find those best things that are made in china .

                99% the mouse you are using is china make .Just have a look .
                You're jumping the gun here. I never said Chinese goods = fake. All I said was that, lots of low quality China made tools are flooding the Indian market. So, the buyer needs to be cautious. About me not using a proper China made tool kit, and about me using an Indian local made tool kit, etc. How do you know so much about which tools I use and which I don't?

                Originally posted by nfsnfs View Post
                have you seen products ,designed in Germany and made in china , designed in JAPAN and made in china .I have seen .They are high quality products.
                How does that matter to you if they copy or paste or cut or paste .
                See that you buy the best , let it be from INDIA ,CHINA or JAPAN .

                OT :
                There are 3 types of products that you get .

                MADE to INDIA .
                IMPORTED to INDIA .
                IMPORTED from INDIA .
                While the whole world has truly outsourced a lot of components to China, most global brands which have outsourced their manufacturing conduct strict quality control and hae their own lines of assembly. In most cases, it is simply the use of cheaper labor that China has to offer. The same cannot be said of most unknown and relatively unknown Chinese brands which simply ape the global brands without giving a fig about quality. Right from mechanical watches to superchargers and most things in between.

                Anyway, to each his own. I just gave my opinion on tools based on the little experience I have. Beyond this, it really is none of my business.

                Cheers,

                Jay

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by jayprashanth View Post
                  TAbout me not using a proper China made tool kit, and about me using an Indian local made tool kit, etc. How do you know so much about which tools I use and which I don't?
                  Jay

                  No need to get hyper . you = should be referred as GENERAL public and not you in particular . I would be embarrassed to show my tool kit , , may be some time later.
                  SPEED .....i need more
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                  • #54
                    Found a dealer, unfortunately asked for the wrong range. But found out that Torque Master TM 10 costs Rs.1,900. Complete socket kit ~Rs.2,000. Smaller kit available for ~ Rs.1,000

                    Industrial Torque Wrenches,Industrial Screw Drivers,Torque Screw Drivers,Torque Wrenches Manufacturer

                    Please comment on manufacturer and if anyone has found anything else.

                    EDIT:
                    I had put a query on their website here it is along with the reply:

                    Me:
                    Dealer info for Trivandrum, Kerala or nearest possible. Price for torque wrenches: TM 10, TM 25, TM 100
                    Them:
                    Dear Sir,

                    Thanks for your E mail enquiry for of Torque Wrench. We are pleased to quote our

                    lowest price for the same are as under.

                    Sr. No. DESCRIPTION UNIT PRICE (Rs.)

                    1Torque Wrench TM10 1725.00
                    2Torque Wrench TM25 2050.00
                    3 Torque Wrench TM 100 2650.00

                    Note : Discount will be 40% on said prices.

                    TERMS AND CONDITION

                    1 Prices : FOR Panchkula actual Freight will be charged.
                    2. Delivery: 1weeks after confirmation of order.
                    3. Payment: Against Delivery.
                    4. Sales Tax: 4% or 2% against delivery.
                    5. Excise Duty: Nil


                    Now we are looking forward to your valuable Purchase order soon.


                    Best Regards,

                    D P Singh
                    Torque Master Tools (P) Ltd
                    323,Industrial Area Phase-1
                    Panchkula 13113 ( India)
                    Phones +91-172-2569094 , 2569096
                    Fax +91-172-5011521
                    Email : E Mail :
                    [email protected]
                    Website : www.torquemasterindia.com
                    Last edited by Ayson; 04-01-2010, 12:29 PM.

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                    • #55
                      I have a few doubts.

                      1) Is the drive of the wrench male, and of the socket female, or is it the other way round? In the above mentioned mfr.'s website, all the sockets have a female drive, but the picture of the wrench is not clear.

                      2) What are the standard socket sizes? The above mfr. has 4mm-34mm, but how many sockets will that be? Is there a bigger socket for every mm?

                      3) Are the sizes of open ended spanners, ring spanners etc... available in India in mm? The largest nut/bolt i have is worked by a spanner that says 27 on it. Is this 27mm?

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                      • #56
                        Following this thread closely lately. I am eyeing on the Taparia Ratchet Mini or the 1/2. Can someone gimme the current price. I found one in eBay and might go for it. And how are Taparia screwdrivers? My buddy uses one, and he says they ain't that good. Mainly plan to use it for carburettor overhauling purposes.

                        I ain't a big fan of Chinese stuffs, because I bought myself one for 250 bucks, mini tool kit. Their screwdrivers gave up the same day, just that the sockets are taking the brunt okay.

                        Any other trusted local brands? Went through a lot of firgani brands, but way too costly for the proposition they offer.

                        Any thoughts would be much appreciated.

                        Cheers!
                        VJ
                        Once upon a time, a guy asked a girl 'Will you marry me?'
                        The girl said, 'NO!'


                        And the guy lived happily ever after and rode motorcycles and watched sport on a big screen TV, went fishing and surfing, and played golf a lot, and drank beer and scotch and had tons of money in the bank and left the toilet seat up and farted whenever he wanted.


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                        • #57
                          This is a very useful & helpful thread, it should be moved to "Universal Threads" section.
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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by B7ACKTHORN View Post
                            I am eyeing on the Taparia...Any other trusted local brands?
                            Why not Eastman Handtools India | Hand Tools; I've been testing their wrenches box head & rounded for nearly 2 years now & they do the job & also stay clean.
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                            Awareness + Skill is what keeps you out of harm's way
                            ATGATT + Awareness + Skill means you might Live To Ride another day

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by aargee View Post
                              Why not Eastman Handtools India | Hand Tools; I've been testing their wrenches box head & rounded for nearly 2 years now & they do the job & also stay clean.
                              Can you help me out with something like the Ratchet Kit with sockets, plus the tommy bar like the Taparia with Eastman, please. I can see bits, ratchets and T bars separate in their website, but I just coudln't find them as a single package.

                              Thanks!

                              Cheers!
                              VJ
                              Once upon a time, a guy asked a girl 'Will you marry me?'
                              The girl said, 'NO!'


                              And the guy lived happily ever after and rode motorcycles and watched sport on a big screen TV, went fishing and surfing, and played golf a lot, and drank beer and scotch and had tons of money in the bank and left the toilet seat up and farted whenever he wanted.


                              THE END

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by B7ACKTHORN View Post
                                Can you help me out with something like the Ratchet Kit with socket
                                In India, it's quite difficult to find out the entire box as such; see the pic below, such comprehensive toolkit is most common at abroad; I'd visited GP Road in Chennai few months ago & couldn't see good VFM toolbox. I'm not denying there're good ones, but not VFM. And...I don't think Eastman/Taparia (or even Bosch) provides them. Most of them are Chinese makes. In India, you can get hold of Stanley, they make good VFM tools & you might be able to get a comprehensive tool kit



                                Originally posted by B7ACKTHORN View Post
                                plus the tommy bar like the Taparia with Eastman
                                Hmm...have seen them in local makes. Did you check Eastman's website? Send an email or give them a call, they should help.

                                Originally posted by B7ACKTHORN View Post
                                I can see bits, ratchets and T bars separate in their website, but I just coudln't find them as a single package
                                You'll not as stated above reason.
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                                Awareness + Skill is what keeps you out of harm's way
                                ATGATT + Awareness + Skill means you might Live To Ride another day

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