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**Aryan** · 05-05-2010, 02:11 PM

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Parth, first off I would like to mention that you are blowing this way out of proportions. Agreed, there is a HUGE difference between a drum and a disc brake equipped motorcycle, but a little care in using the discs can go a long way in saving you from a certain fall.

I would also like to tell you that during cornering if you brake, and from your words I feel that you tend to panic even, then that is a sure-shot disaster recipe. You do not "brake" during cornering (in the mid-corner). You either scrape off speed while entering the corner or if you DO need to brake mid-corner, then you just do it very gently by tapping the front/ rear brake lever and not grabbing them tightly. A disc brake is far more effective than a drum. So, all I can say is get out of the mentality that it is just the same as a drum brake equipped machine. Just relax, and everything would be absolutely fine. Please note that the R15's brakes is one of the best in the business, and hence take extra precaution while braking (sudden braking, especially). A new set of brakes, just like any new engine needs to break-in too. The bite would eventually increase, and hence the braking power as well.

I feel you are psyched up with this. Just relax, and congratulations for your new bike. Keep us all updated!

**Parth** · 05-05-2010, 02:28 PM

Originally posted by Aryan View Post

I would also like to tell you that during cornering if you brake, and from your words I feel that you tend to panic even, then that is a sure-shot disaster recipe.

I too feel that.....specially when there's some vehicle coming from the other side. but this is a strange phenomenon.....I don't panic at all while riding my kinetic honda or a drum braked bike...anyways...lets see maybe it's all in the head

You do not "brake" during cornering (in the mid-corner). You either scrape off speed while entering the corner or if you DO need to brake mid-corner, then you just do it very gently by tapping the front/ rear brake lever and not grabbing them tightly.

I tend to grab....I've learnt on 5 separate occasions that it's bad......1 led to a really nasty fall.....better not to think about that

Just relax, and everything would be absolutely fine.

Thanks for the re-assurance.

I feel you are psyched up with this. Just relax, and congratulations for your new bike. Keep us all updated!

Thanks again.....I have xbhp to thank for helping me choose the right machine

Proud to be an xbhpian

**tibby** · 05-05-2010, 02:34 PM

Like Aryan said, there isn't that wide a gap between a drum & disc brake.
The R15 too was my first disc enabled bike, but trust me it isn't as punishing as your words suggest.

For starters, use 2 fingers (or max 3) for operating the front brakes. I assume you are using all 4 fingers. Don't panic brake, unless someone suddenly comes in front of your bike, from nowhwere.
While cornering, use the brakes only to slow down (that is if you are carrying too much speed into it). & yes, not to forget, use both brakes in tandem. Using only front will definitely end in a fall. Use 60% front + 40% rear, it really helps in stopping the bike, as well as keeping you firmly seated.

**Puneet1** · 05-05-2010, 02:39 PM

while leaning use only rear brake . use only 3 fingers and not full hand so u dont grab the lever hard .

**Parth** · 05-05-2010, 02:48 PM

Originally posted by tibby View Post

For starters, use 2 fingers (or max 3) for operating the front brakes. I assume you are using all 4 fingers.

Originally posted by Puneet1 View Post

while leaning use only rear brake . use only 3 fingers and not full hand so u dont grab the lever hard .

Thanks for the suggestion guys, I'll do that. Yeah tibby I do keep all 4 fingers on the lever when I brake, I'll try to keep 2 on

**madhav krishna** · 05-05-2010, 03:01 PM

Originally posted by Parth View Post

I learnt to ride on a friend's runned down discover. It practically had no brakes at all (almost had a major accident with a truck due to that). Now that I can ride I've come to notice that I'm very comfortable with drum brakes but when I ride a bike equipped with disks, I tend to grab that right lever and the bike jams....This is a really big issue as I do this really really often and there hasn't been even a single time that I've ridden a disc euipped bike and she hasn't brought me down. I can manage braking in straights (when I'm braking to slow down and the road ahead is straight and there are no immediate turns) but every time I'm taking a corner(I tend to lean......I find it rally hard to take a corner without leaning on two wheels), and I want to slow down (maybe I'm going in too fast or I see someone coming from the other side) , I grab that disc brake and the bike and I go down

This is a really realy irritating habit and I don't know how to get rid of it Add to that I don't know how to use disc-brake while taking a 90 degree turn and I have the delivery of my bike(R15) scheduled in 9 days. I'm excited about the delivery but at the same time really worried as I have to ride her home for at 10-15 km and I don't know how to take a corner on a disc equipped bike.

Can anyone help me by telling me what is the best way to use disc brakes while cornering(little bit of leaning.....I'm no peg scraper).

PS: I'll be the one bringing her home.......letting a friend who know how to handle discs is NOT an option.

simple,, if ur not able to bring it then get it home delivered

u may not worry abt the disc brakes of any yamaha bike. I hav ridden the fz-16 & gladiator & after their braking performance i was surprised & confused if they were drum brakes. their brakes were gud. after this i came to an conclusion tat the brakes in yamaha bikes r gud & work upon how much pressure u apply. They r not overpowered like the TVS, Bajaj or Honda (personal experience). Its brakes r perfect & u will learn to how much pressure to apply on them in the first 10kms only

**PRANAV D** · 05-05-2010, 03:06 PM

Hi dude,
Apart from the points mentioned above by all the fellow xbhpians i would also like to add that you shld use engine braking especially while entering into a corner. If you are in third downshift to second and then you will gain much better control. I always downshift before entering into a corner so that there is better control. Remember engine braking is smoother and better than abrupt application of disc brakes unless there is an emergency

**aargee** · 05-05-2010, 03:09 PM

Originally posted by Aryan View Post

You do not "brake" during cornering (in the mid-corner). You either scrape off speed while entering the corner or if you DO need to brake mid-corner, then you just do it very gently by tapping the front/ rear brake lever and not grabbing them tightly.

Simply, yet, great piece of advice; I would've been glad if someone taught me how to apply brakes; I'd had to learn the hard way.

**Parth** · 05-05-2010, 03:17 PM

Originally posted by DEvIl$ LAir View Post

Hi dude,
Apart from the points mentioned above by all the fellow xbhpians i would also like to add that you shld use engine braking especially while entering into a corner. If you are in third downshift to second and then you will gain much better control. I always downshift before entering into a corner so that there is better control. Remember engine braking is smoother and better than abrupt application of disc brakes unless there is an emergency

Does engine braking work while holding the clutch??

**madhav krishna** · 05-05-2010, 03:35 PM

Originally posted by Parth View Post

Does engine braking work while holding the clutch??

no...... actually when u hold the clutch the engine becomes free & engine braking does not work

**kurtrules** · 05-05-2010, 03:37 PM

Originally posted by Parth View Post

Does engine braking work while holding the clutch??

No. I would suggest you to first practice braking effectively (using the brakes) before a corner and THEN try engine braking.

**Ayson** · 05-05-2010, 03:42 PM

Originally posted by Parth View Post

Does engine braking work while holding the clutch??

No, it does not. But its much better to be in gear and without clutch in a corner. Infact, if you entered the corner in a acceptable margin of speed, you will never have to use the brakes. The throttle is the best, safest, smoothest speed control you can have by virtue of engine braking (closing throttle) and opening throttle to control your speed. Im a new rider too and i learnt from experience and advice. Brake BEFORE the corner to a speed YOU are confident to take the corner at. Shift to the appropriate gear and do not de-clutch (keep your hands off the clutch lever). Use throttle to control speed. Minimise use of brakes. Harsh front braking in a turn is a sure fall. If you need to brake in a turn and are a beginer, use rear brakes, that too very lightly. If you need to brake harshly, remove the lean first. Stop turning, then brake hard, you are going to stop so why bother turning.

**PRANAV D** · 05-05-2010, 05:22 PM

Hi 'Engine Braking' which i mentioned in my earlier post basically means downshifting of gears for controlling the bike in this process you got to downshift gears before entering into a corner or to reduce speed otherwise and only if you release the clutch after a downshift then your bike's speed will reduce. pulling the clutch will free up the bike further, do not do that.

**prateek2210** · 05-05-2010, 06:54 PM

@parth : You seem too excited on getting a bike and its normal but remember not to panic.
Disc brakes are more efficient than drum brakes and reduces the response time of the rider.
As all have said here try normal braking first and always keep two fingers on the front brake lever. I won't recommend leaning and engine braking at such an early stage, but its for sure that with time you will learn them.

One more thing (my opinion) run in of the bike does helps the rider to get accustomed to the ride. As you would be following the run in methods and would be below a particular rpm mark, your speed would be in control, thus giving you enough time to think and brake.

Remember "PANICKING" is another reason for accidents.
Don't let that overpower you.

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