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**Shreeni0403** · 06-16-2010, 05:39 PM

Sajit

What will happen if the remove that chrome thing from HID ??

With my experience it works the same as it was working with that shield. Only difference I found was marginal glare difference.

Regarding HIGH beam, what ever the discussions may take I wont agree that Projectors can be good for it unless it is dedicated for High beam

**sajjt** · 06-16-2010, 06:37 PM

Originally posted by Shreeni0403 View Post

What will happen if the remove that chrome thing from HID ??

With my experience it works the same as it was working with that shield. Only difference I found was marginal glare difference.

Regarding HIGH beam, what ever the discussions may take I wont agree that Projectors can be good for it unless it is dedicated for High beam

Man, thats the conclusion I also made

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Its the glare shield and if remove it glare will increase, but at the same time u'll get more visibility. Still u'll get the High beam but there's no control over glares. I hope u got why there's an opening in the shield.

**drvmtm** · 06-16-2010, 09:32 PM

Originally posted by sajjt View Post

Wow what a long post yar and very informative too, I would like to give my 2 no 100 cents.

Very true dude, High beam should be concentrated to long distance and should not be restricted by any means. U just cant beat a old good refletor in HBms

I totally differ at least in case of HIDs as our reflectors are not meant for HIDs so is the glares and u've tried the focus issues too. Forgot? Low beam glares will be less in halos with reflectors just bcz of the the intensity of the light is very low compared to an HID so no one notices it. Make a halo projection of both reflector and a projector's low beams on a white wall and convince urself yar. If the projection beam is par with a reflector then why the hell all premium cars r equiped with expensive lenses? Just for fancy? I think once u experience with a projector, u'll not make this comment.
1.sajjit,its all about focussing,when the hid is focuused properly even in reflector its as good as good as a 100 watt halogen.the latest bixenon bulbs which comes with glare shield are really good,you should see them in action.
see toyota corrola its using hid with reflecter,and so many other cars also like cady escallade and so on,i m not sayin projectors dont work,just sayin they r toooo much overrated.

Yes and no, yes they r too good for low beam and yes glare is there in high beams but in a very controlled manner, after all glare should be there else, who will notice when u flash? But on HB mode on projectors, I wont say that u can see only 20ft,

ur low beam projection area is more than 40 feet dude and yes u can still restrict by levelling it to high or low position depends upon the distance u want to see properly. If its mounted on a bike, lens is mounted very high compared to car so beam spread will be more good as the projection angle is more so more visibility. In HBm mode, sheild is not opening fully thats why its not impressive as in reflectors, but there r lens kits where the solenoid is located outside so full opening of the sheild can be performed like in fx series of lenses.

sajjit,i was talkin about low beam ,not the high beam

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Dude, UG4/XCD RRs are single phase and bcu is just a microprocessor controlling the operations of the various switches and other saftey checks. Its nothing do with a RR, when AC is fed to RR the output is guaranteed, I've tried both for myself and settled with APE just because of the robust performance of it. I've done with a very wide choice of DC RRs available by borrowing from my friends bikes. Other 2 can handle very less current rating compared to APE RR. I've'nt tried Ambition but it should work without any issues as its a proven RR and haven't heard any complaints about it.

the prob with xcd/ug4 rrs are that it cant take a rewindede coil very well,yes it worked for a quite a some time but ultimatly it fails and its only good for 4.5 amp max. never tryed the xcd one though.as per the ambition one ,it cant pull hids efficiently.i hv tried at least 4 ug4 rrs with 3 diff coils,and 2 ambition one with 2 coils,no one is fullproof like the piaggios one.

In that case u dont need to go for APE RR or coil rewinding, go for P-UG4/XCD RR to settle with a single HID and other stock fittings. Stock coil will be a min of 50-60W to feed the stock loads. Thats more than enough to feed a 35W HID and other stock requirements. Note that our idle rpm will be 1k and within that range even APE RR wont charge much, may be it can differ in ur case as u've taken the whole 7 poles as a single coil. But on riding even in city too min rpm will be around 2-3K is enough for ideal charging. City drive will be of on low gears and will be with the above range. Am I right? only b2b traffic can make the things worse, that's happening in APE too but it compensate with the boost in higher rpms.

well,as i said i have bad experiance with these rrs specially ug4 and ambition rrs i wount recomend it.
and stock coil is giving 50-60 watt?which bike?yes i agree with you that a light coil of pulsar if feeded to a fullwave rr can run a hid but the charging is not that impressive at 1 k rpm,and yes a properly winded coil can give you enough juice in 1 k rpm also,trust me,i learned it the herd way.see ,just doin it to dc and runnin hid is a diff story but doin it like oems is diff,i mean u wouldnt be happy if i just start ur bike turn the hid on and leave it there and still it will charge the battery without even twisting the throttle?yes i went up to that level by trial and error.

Nice

I've got a nice greet from car driver who was least bothered about his HBm when I flashed continously on my friends P220, and my friend too certifies that its a killer in flashing, imagine what could be Rahul's HID on HB?

Multireflectors r not reducing any glares but its increasing bcz of their design and its designed to work with a halo not with HID,
bro,you are mistaking here,what a multi reflecter does is to provide light in a specific manner,which is computed by machines by taking a fixed focal point.now in a low beam the lights cut off is better then a round sealbeam which uses a clean reflector with prismed glass in front of it.as there is no prismed glass in front of the reflector the total output increases but also the cutoff is better as the focal point is predetermined as relation with the multi surface reflecters.
now if you put a proper bixenon bulb what u have shown in your picture it will have a metal cap with a slit in it.that cap does two things 1.making it high and low beam and also2. reduce the glare which is directly coming out of the bulb.now the cap in front is crucial as we saw the halogen bulbs have a black tipped rubber area to reduce direct glare and in most cars there is a plastic cap just in front of the bulb to reduce that.now normal cheap h4-2 or even some bixenon hids dont have that glare shield and the bulb is too long which mess up the optics and scatter the light all over but newer bixenon s like one i am using now is having its high low beam point exactly same as the halogen bulb,i even checked it with a help of a special mesuring too,its precisely same focal length.as i said before its the focus that matters,as a result the light is very good and at the same time its no bad then a 90/100 bulb halogen,in terms of glare.

u might've convinced with ur new aux hid with a round sealed beam. Round sealed beams offers more precised focus rather than any other shapes and now adays very few with round domes, hence the MFR for other reflectors.
i agree with you in this point that round is the best.
its throw of light is very good.but multi surface reflectors are even better in one thing as they can control the cutoffs better in low beam and the manufacturer can opt of light spread in vehicular specific need.
as a fixed mfr in zma is better as it widens up the thow even in high beam so the fixed dome isnt a prob.

Dude, u r mistaken, glare sheild in an HID makes the dual beam effect with the help of the solenoid. When the solenoid is activated, bulb pulls back where is a gap in the sheild which is allowing the light to reflect the bottom side of the reflector to get HBm. Normal case ie; low beam it will be above the sheild gap so no light is directly falling on the bottom side of the reflector and hence not much glares but this is not eliminating fully but partially. See the bulb position of the HID bulb in the pic

mate read the post again,i said its no worse then a 55 watt halogen in case of low beam.*I AM TALKING ABOUT LOW BEAM HERE.
IN HIGH BEAM THOUGH THE GLARE IS THERE,BE IT A HALOGEN ,BE IT A HID,BE IT A PROJECTOR.

Here's how the Low beam works

And this is how High beam works

There's one more cap on the top of some of the HID bulbs which is to cover direct glaring to the on comers eyes but once u remove it u can see more vivdly the sign boards. AFAIK its as per european standards.
YOU ARE CORRECT ABOUT EUROPIAN STD,ITS TRUE,EVEN ITS THERE IN OUR CAR REFLECTERS,BUT IF YOU INCREASE THE INTENSITY IN SAME FOCAL LENGTH THE GLARE WILL NOT BE THERE,IT IS THE SAME THING WE ARE DOING WITH HIDS,WE HAVE TO MAKE IT SURE THAT THE FOCAL LENGTH IS SAME AS PER WITH THE HALOGEN BULB ITS REPLACING AND THE GLARE WILL BE CONTOLLED IN LOW BEAM,AFTERALL THE REFLECTER IS DESIGNED IN THE SAME THOUGHT ,LIGHT ON THE ROAD NOT ON THE EYES.
ON HIGH BEAM ITS A ENTIRE DIFF STORY.BUT THE SAME STORY IS THERE EVEN IN CAASE OF PROJECTORS.

Glare in an HID on a reflector is much much more than a Halo which is obvious and no need of comparision.
THE INTENSITY OF HID IS MORE BUT THERE ARE THINGS WHICH CAN CUT ITS GLARE LIKE A SHIELD OR A MFR IN LOW BEAM,

Try the above projection on a wall and see that, like u said every bulb makes glares but its the intensity makes it more worse
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I DID IT ALREADY AND TRUST ME ITS NO BAD THEN EVEN A 55/60 HALO IF YOU ARE USING A PROPER BIXENON HID WITH A PROPER FOCAL LENGTH IN LOW BEAM.

Ofcourse CT plays a role but not in glares, its for the visibility for the driver and u'll get noticed easily just bcz of the diff CT, Above 6K its a pain in case of visibility for the driver as well as the on comer, since its got a different colour and high intensity people have a tendancy to stare at it thats all.
TRUE,AGREED

Ur pic doesnt convays anything about glares but its convays that u've got a fantastic beamspread instead.

COMMON,IN THE FIRST PIC LOOK AT THE MAIN DOME MATE,VERY VERY LESS GLARE .
THANKS FOR YOUR PRAISE.

Dont feel offended, I've shared what I found, no hurt feelings, no offence. dude.
OFFENDED ,WHO ME ,BY WHOM?TRUST ME SAJJIT,YOU WILL BE THE LAST PERSON IN THE WHOLE UNIVERSE THAT I WILL BE OFFENDED BY,COMKMON MATE,YOU BROUGHT LIFE BACK IN MY NIGHT RIDES,YOU ARE MY HERO,MY PATHMAKER,I FOLLOED U.IT WOUDNT EVEN POSSIBLE FOR ME TO MAKE IT MY BIKES LIGHT.EVERY BODY BACK THEN KNEW ABOUT COIL REWINDING BUT NO ONE WAS EVEN CLEAR ABOUT A PROPER RR AND YOU MADE THE WHOLE THING SIMPLE.I WORSHIP YOU.YOU ARE THE LORD OF LIGHTS.
JUST I FELT SOME OF MY FEELIONG S IN THE POST.ITS NOT THAT I DONT LIKE PROJECTORS OR ANYTHING,EVEN I AM LOOKING FOR A GOOD ONE BUT THE THING IS WHEN PEOPLE SAY THE ARE THE BEST I CANT DIGEST THAT.

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**Shreeni0403** · 06-16-2010, 10:09 PM

Vivek

I didn't read your post completely bcz I got confused many places which is your post and which is Sajit's.

I don't agree with you that low beam has less glare in MFR. MFR gives the highest glare compared to projector just bcz the reflection is uneven and haywire. I agree even projector will glare but due to the shield present in it the glare is chopped (guess this word makes better sense).

**abhijeet080808** · 06-16-2010, 10:10 PM

Nice discussion going on here. Sorry, couldn't reply earlier.

@OP - Let us know how it goes, and plan everything step by step. Get the rewinding and APE RR unit done first.

@sajjt - Yes, I am using only the custom RR unit since a long time.

**drvmtm** · 06-17-2010, 12:43 AM

Originally posted by Shreeni0403 View Post

I didn't read your post completely bcz I got confused many places which is your post and which is Sajit's.

I don't agree with you that low beam has less glare in MFR. MFR gives the highest glare compared to projector just bcz the reflection is uneven and haywire. I agree even projector will glare but due to the shield present in it the glare is chopped (guess this word makes better sense).

i dont know man,my low beam is one of a kind then,both in my pulsy and in my scorpio.

**Shreeni0403** · 06-17-2010, 10:08 AM

Originally posted by drvmtm View Post

i dont know man,my low beam is one of a kind then,both in my pulsy and in my scorpio.

Have you put any stickers on headlight glass like you have put crash guard light ? In that case yes glare will be blocked.

**drvmtm** · 06-17-2010, 11:54 AM

no stickers

**sajjt** · 06-17-2010, 01:15 PM

Originally posted by drvmtm View Post

1.sajjit,its all about focussing,when the hid is focuused properly even in reflector its as good as good as a 100 watt halogen.the latest bixenon bulbs which comes with glare shield are really good,you should see them in action.
see toyota corrola its using hid with reflecter,and so many other cars also like cady escallade and so on,i m not sayin projectors dont work,just sayin they r toooo much overrated.

Drji, its not at all the focusing issue alone but there r other important parameters like bulb characteristics, intensity, bulb position of course there comes focus issues.

Here's a very informative part from Daniel Stern Lighting.

Halogen headlamps and HID headlamps require very different optics to produce a safe and effective—not to mention legal—beam pattern. How come? Because of the very different characteristics of the two kinds of light source.

A halogen bulb has a cylindrical light source: the glowing filament. The space immediately surrounding the cylinder of light is completely dark, and so the sharpest contrast between bright and dark is along the edges of the cylinder of light. The ends of the filament cylinder fade from bright to dark. An HID bulb, on the other hand, has a crescent-shaped light source -- the arc. It's crescent-shaped because as it passes through the space between the two electrodes, its heat causes it to try to rise. The space immediately surrounding the crescent of light glows in layers...the closer to the crescent of light, the brighter the glow. The ends of the arc crescent are the brightest points, and immediately beyond these points is completely dark, so the sharpest contrast between bright and dark is at the ends of the crescent of light.
This diagram shows the very different characteristics of the filament vs. the arc:

When designing the optics (lens and/or reflector) for a lamp, the characteristics of the light source are the driving factor around which everything else must be engineered. If you go and change the light source, you've done the equivalent of putting on somebody else's eyeglasses: You can probably make them fit on your face OK, but you won't see properly.

Now, what about those "retrofit" jobs in which the beam cutoff still appears sharp? Don't be fooled; it's an error to judge a beam pattern solely by its cutoff. In many lamps, especially the projector types, the cutoff will remain the same regardless of what light source is behind it. Halogen bulb, HID capsule, cigarette lighter, firefly, hold it up to the sun—whatever. That's because of the way a projector lamp works. The cutoff is simply the projected image of a piece of metal running side-to-side behind the lens. Where the optics come in is in distributing the light under the cutoff. And, as with all other automotive lamps (and, in fact, all optical instruments), the optics are calculated based not just on where the light source is within the lamp (focal length) but also the specific photometric characteristics of the light source...which parts of it are brighter, which parts of it are darker, where the boundaries of the light source are, whether the boundaries are sharp or fuzzy, the shape of the light source, and so forth.

As if the optical mismatch weren't reason enough to drop the idea of "retrofitting" an HID bulb where a halogen one belongs—and it is!—there are even more reasons why not to do it. Here are some of them:

The only available arc capsules have a longitudinal arc (arc path runs front to back) on the axis of the bulb, but many popular halogen headlamp bulbs, such as 9004, 9007, H3 and H12, use a filament that is transverse (side-to-side) and/or offset (not on the axis of the bulb) central axis of the headlamp reflector). In this case, it is impossible even to roughly approximate the position and orientation of the filament with a "retrofit" HID capsule. Just because your headlamp might use an axial-filament bulb, though, doesn't mean you've jumped the hurdles—the laws of optical physics don't bend even for the cleverest marketing department, nor for the catchiest HID "retrofit" kit box.

A relatively new gimmick is HID arc capsules set in an electromagnetic base so that they shift up and down or back and forth. These are being marketed as "dual beam" kits that claim to address the loss of high beam with fixed-base "retrofits" in place of dual-filament halogen bulbs like 9004, 9007, H4, and H13. A cheaper variant of this is one that uses a fixed HID bulb with a halogen bulb strapped or glued to the side of it...yikes! What you wind up with is two poorly-formed beams, at best. The reason the original equipment market has not adopted the movable-capsule designs they've been playing with since the mid 1990s is because it is impossible to control the arc position accurately so it winds up in the same position each and every time.
In the original-equipment field, there are single-capsule dual-beam systems appearing ("BiXenon", etc.), but these all rely on a movable optical shield, or movable reflector—the arc capsule stays in one place. The Original Equipment engineers have a great deal of money and resources at their disposal, and if a movable capsule were a practical way to do the job, they'd do it. The "retrofit" kits certainly don't address this problem anywhere near satisfaction. And even if they did, remember: Whether a fixed or moving-capsule "retrofit" is contemplated, solving the arc-position problem and calling it good is like going to a hospital with two broken ribs, a sprained ankle and a crushed toe and having the nurse say "Well, you're free to go home now, we've put your ankle in a sling!" Focal length (arc/filament positioning) is only just ONE issue out of several.
The most dangerous part of the attempt to "retrofit" Xenon headlamps is that sometimes you get a deceptive and illusory "improvement" in the performance of the headlamp. The performance of the headlamp is perceived to be "better" because of the much higher level of foreground lighting (on the road immediately in front of the car). However, the beam patterns produced by this kind of "conversion" virtually always give less distance light, and often an alarming lack of light where there's meant to be a relative maximum in light intensity. The result is the illusion that you can see better than you actually can, and that's not safe.

It's tricky to judge headlamp beam performance without a lot of knowledge, a lot of training and a lot of special equipment, because subjective perceptions are very misleading. Having a lot of strong light in the foreground, that is on the road close to the car and out to the sides, is very comforting and reliably produces a strong impression of "good headlights". The problem is that not only is foreground lighting of decidedly secondary importance when travelling much above 30 mph, but having a very strong pool of light close to the car causes your pupils to close down, worsening your distance vision...all the while giving you this false sense of security. This is to say nothing of the massive amounts of glare to other road users and backdazzle to you, the driver, that results from these "retrofits".

What about the law, what does it have to say on the matter? In virtually every first-world country, HID "retrofits" into halogen headlamps are illegal. They're illegal clear across Europe and in all of the many countries that use European ECE headlight regulations. They're illegal in the US and Canada. Some people dismiss this because North American regulations, in particular, are written in such a manner as to reject a great many genuinely good headlamps. Nevertheless, on the particular count of HID "retrofits" into halogen headlamps, the world's regulators and engineers all say DON'T!

The only safe and legitimate HID retrofit is one that replaces the entirewhole system—with optics designed for HID usage. headlamp—that is lens, reflector, bulb...the In the aftermarket, it is possible to get clever with the growing number of available products, such as Hella's modular projectors available in HID or halogen, and fabricate your own brackets and bezels, or to modify an original-equipment halogen headlamp housing to contain optical "guts" designed for HID usage (though it should be noted that "cooking" the lens off a composite headlamp, installing HID optics and re-sealing the lens creates major problems of its own, and does not result in a legal headlamp).

U can read the full FAQs here:
Daniel Stern Lighting Consultancy and Supply

Dude, I am not doing any marketing for the projectors for any one, but I felt that its low beam spread is damn good and its got a very controlled beam pattern with very less glares compared to reflectors. Its very obvious when u see a wall projection of both and if u still think that MFRs are as good as any projectors in terms of glares, am helpless yar. I cant convince u, but I would love to see ur MFR low beam wall projections and may be that will clarify my doubts too. What do u say Dr.?

Originally posted by drvmtm View Post

the prob with xcd/ug4 rrs are that it cant take a rewindede coil very well,yes it worked for a quite a some time but ultimatly it fails and its only good for 4.5 amp max. never tryed the xcd one though.as per the ambition one ,it cant pull hids efficiently.i hv tried at least 4 ug4 rrs with 3 diff coils,and 2 ambition one with 2 coils,no one is fullproof like the piaggios one.

I would say u didnt read my post fully, I said, for a single 35W HID, no need of coil rewinding as a econo option as it can easily manage by using the existing stock coil and I confirm that almost all stock light coils will be 50W+ else, it cant support all the console lights+hl. So we can tap that power without going for a coil rewind and ofcourse, if u r going for a econo mod, there should be some limitations too like the low rpm charging issues. Here Nanotech doesnt wants that, but these forum is not for a single person and it should be benefited by others too. Something is better than nothing, there r many out there with HID and sick of batt issues, these could be solved without spending more money in upgrades. We have no delicacy to try at any extent to get the result and thats how we accomplished what we have now, but let other people do benefit something by these tweaks.

I would say that only B2B traffic it may have issues but not in any other occasion.

And I've stated very clearly that if some one opt for XCD/PUG4/Ambition cant've any extra aux lamps without rewinding and swapping the RR to APE RR and if u read the last post of Naotech he's headed for the APE RR just bcz this.

I thought u went straight away for the APE RR after putting query here.. I didnt knew that u went for these UG4 and Ambition and all gone for a toss

. But cant write off them as in stock conditon its perfo is good, may be u must've fried it after the coil rewinding it. then its ur fault dude

, u just cant blame on it. I've tried it for one day, output was 3-4.5A and it was working well but heating up and more than that, it was a borrowed one.

Dude whats the use of charging at 1K rpm? What do u do at this idle speed, testing? For that u need to increase the idle speed or twist the throttle like u said. For that u dont need this much. Am I right?

Once u mod something out of OEM setup, u cant claim that its in OE condition evenif u've installed some other vehicles part. Once u've altered the stock setup, something have to be sacrificed, like in our case, there can be over charging issues as our APE RR dont've a batt monitor wire.

Originally posted by drvmtm View Post

IN HIGH BEAM THOUGH THE GLARE IS THERE,BE IT A HALOGEN ,BE IT A HID,BE IT A PROJECTOR.

I never said that there wont be glares in projectors, its there but in a very controlled manner and very less compared the other. period.

Originally posted by drvmtm View Post

OFFENDED ,WHO ME ,BY WHOM?TRUST ME SAJJIT,YOU WILL BE THE LAST PERSON IN THE WHOLE UNIVERSE THAT I WILL BE OFFENDED BY,COMKMON MATE,YOU BROUGHT LIFE BACK IN MY NIGHT RIDES,YOU ARE MY HERO,MY PATHMAKER,I FOLLOED U.IT WOUDNT EVEN POSSIBLE FOR ME TO MAKE IT MY BIKES LIGHT.EVERY BODY BACK THEN KNEW ABOUT COIL REWINDING BUT NO ONE WAS EVEN CLEAR ABOUT A PROPER RR AND YOU MADE THE WHOLE THING SIMPLE.I WORSHIP YOU.YOU ARE THE LORD OF LIGHTS.
JUST I FELT SOME OF MY FEELIONG S IN THE POST.ITS NOT THAT I DONT LIKE PROJECTORS OR ANYTHING,EVEN I AM LOOKING FOR A GOOD ONE BUT THE THING IS WHEN PEOPLE SAY THE ARE THE BEST I CANT DIGEST THAT.

Dude, its too exaggerated, would u mind to lighten it

Like u said I learned all in a hard way and mostly in DIY way. And what u praised is not belong to me but there r others here in the forum who've shown that we can convert an AC+DC bike into full DC one. Especially my special thanks to Abhi who really helped me in finding a solution and I just found a robust RR that can be used for any bike, thats all

. Rest all left to others like Shree & Abhi. Thanks to u guys

I think we should conclude else, the thread starter may feel bad.

**abhijeet080808** · 06-17-2010, 09:24 PM

^^ Have to say, very informative post!

**NANOtechnology** · 06-18-2010, 02:04 AM

been to 3 piaggio workshops to find ape rr, NO ONE has a single piece left.
couldn't even find one outside.
I wasted my 2 days in this process.
I have 1 last hope 30 kms outside Mumbai will go there in the morning, for some reason these guys are finding it difficult to understand the term "ape rr"
I have to explain them what i exactly want each time at every shop.
they don't even understand rectifier or regulator.
1 guy at workshop said "achha Charger??"

is there any other easy name that they'll understand?

i asked regarding when will the fresh stock will be available and he said A MONTH.

they always ask me which vehicle do you have (which ape) coz there are 3 types of ape rr's the new one's have different connectors...
i tell them I'm working on a project so i need one i don't own ape three wheeler or four wheeler.

let's hope i find it there at my last hope workshop.

1 more query
My battery is stock tvs battery, its a white one and something speed is written on it, being a stock i think it would be 6 amp, do i need to replace it to a higher amp one??
i was thinking i get electrolyte filled up and charge it during rewinding and see the performance first after fitting the new rr and then swap the batt if i'm unhappy.

will go to junkyard huntinf this saturday for projectors..

**drvmtm** · 06-18-2010, 02:45 AM

@sajjit

very nice post there mate.
so much i learned.you are a tank of knowlage mate!!

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i just wanted to pendown my experiance with my few cars.but yours is more scientific i must say.

i used few ug 4 rrs in my friends p 150,not mine.
i tried with stock coil,floting the ground,rewinding u name it all things.

stock coil didnt producing too much amp in low rpm s to pull a 35 watt bulb or hid .after rewinding it concked off 4 times.service cetre people was frustrated with me as i was claiming there warrenty,all 4 concked off.

tried with ambition rr also ,same probs.
lastly settled with ape.
and this is not in a single bike,a p 150,a 180,an apache all the case was same .later all went good thanks to ape.

also the newer ug3 or ug 4 pulsar reflecters are way better then the old type in case of hids as i have them both,the newer is more concentrated in nature.

no worries.let it end here.

ps.let me know if you find a single round projector high reflecter combo.i will go for one if the price is right

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**NANOtechnology** · 06-18-2010, 03:47 AM

@sajit

i was sooo dumb to have missed reading sajit's 10/10 post.
forgive me sajit to not appreciate your post earlier.

I'll feel bad??
infact i feel more intelligent now, and proud too having decided projector goodies and did not just settle down for plain simple hid's,
the only thing i feel bad about is the delay coz of rain and improper service feedback at piaggio's
i would have been atleast on dc by now..

some more things which i thought i'll share later after dc conversion but since i held whole day tomorrow to get that done i think i can move ahead with remaining queries.

i've decided to source particularly 2 skoda projectors.
skoda has 3 cars, having a closer look at fabia, octavia and suberb i feeel that superb has the smallest of the projectors considering size
i may have a wrong information but looking at the size i think
i can easily install 2 of those in my headlamp, so i'll go for low beam hid and halo as high beam with a 55w halo bulb as i need to flicker a lot in this mumbai b2b insanely moving traffic.

since shree has halo in his skoda projectors and h3 halo's are available i think it won't be a difficult task.

what do you guys say??

thanks again sajit, shree, Dr , abhi for your valuable comments on this newbie guy's help thread, i've never felt so supported in any of the other things i plan to do apart from the rest...

**Shreeni0403** · 06-18-2010, 09:48 AM

Sajjit

As usual at your best

Well that was very informative.

Originally posted by NANOtechnology View Post

been to 3 piaggio workshops to find ape rr, NO ONE has a single piece left.
couldn't even find one outside.
I wasted my 2 days in this process.
I have 1 last hope 30 kms outside Mumbai will go there in the morning, for some reason these guys are finding it difficult to understand the term "ape rr"
I have to explain them what i exactly want each time at every shop.
they don't even understand rectifier or regulator.
1 guy at workshop said "achha Charger??"

is there any other easy name that they'll understand?

i asked regarding when will the fresh stock will be available and he said A MONTH.

they always ask me which vehicle do you have (which ape) coz there are 3 types of ape rr's the new one's have different connectors...
i tell them I'm working on a project so i need one i don't own ape three wheeler or four wheeler.

let's hope i find it there at my last hope workshop.

1 more query
My battery is stock tvs battery, its a white one and something speed is written on it, being a stock i think it would be 6 amp, do i need to replace it to a higher amp one??
i was thinking i get electrolyte filled up and charge it during rewinding and see the performance first after fitting the new rr and then swap the batt if i'm unhappy.

will go to junkyard huntinf this saturday for projectors..

Bro, tell them as battery charger ("achha Charger"

) if they didn't understand the term RR

Regarding battery, if it is a kick start bike it will be 2.5aH (upgrade is must). If it is self start model it will be 5aH or 7aH (upgrade not necessary immediately if the battery is healthy.

Ask them to show all 3 types of APE RR and choose the one with only 4 wires.
2 grey,
1 yellow or red,
1 black.
(This is how it looks)

Others might have 5 or 6 wires which still are not very clear why they are used. Might be for charging indication or something else.!!

Originally posted by NANOtechnology View Post

i've decided to source particularly 2 skoda projectors.
skoda has 3 cars, having a closer look at fabia, octavia and suberb i feeel that superb has the smallest of the projectors considering size
i may have a wrong information but looking at the size i think
i can easily install 2 of those in my headlamp, so i'll go for low beam hid and halo as high beam with a 55w halo bulb as i need to flicker a lot in this mumbai b2b insanely moving traffic.

Dude, I am repeating. These projectors wont help you for high beam !!! No matter you put Halogen or HID. It wont give you pointed beam whereas it spreads across the sky when you invert it.

Instead, buy 1 projector of Skoda (H3 type) plonk HID, buy a Autopal Spot Light (for High Beam) which is also H3 type and much better for long beam as the light is focused..

**sajjt** · 06-18-2010, 01:50 PM

Originally posted by drvmtm View Post

very nice post there mate.
so much i learned....................
no worries.let it end here.

ps.let me know if you find a single round projector high reflecter combo.i will go for one if the price is right

Honestly I too was enjoying, but only sad part was only between us, others r keeping mum and just watching which I thought it may spoil the spirit of this forum and divert it to somewhere from the thread. I would've been much happy if somebody'd joined us in that discussion, for a two way discussion, there's no need of this thread instead, we can chat

But my bad, no one's interested Grrrr..... what happened u guys Abhi, Shree

And am still waiting for ur wall projections dude.

I've'nt seen any access shop having a better solution even in pairs like u mentioned. Everyone'll've a single lens with Halo HB found mostly in Swifts. Even my lens is still an eye catcher for those who've some idea about lighting. Even the access shop guy wants me to import that

U can find these in Ebay motors.com but @ a premium price after loading the shipping,import duties etc. Last month bought a LED bulb with PIR sensor costing only $5 from Dealextream.com, but the duty I'd to pay was Rs.300/ Almost double! Better tell some one carry it for u from there. Recently I got a nice offer from Amazon.com for my car Ice, they've got free door delivery scheme for above $25 for certain items. U can pay from ur CC from here and it'll be delivered at ur carrier's door step. U can snatch a good deal of items everyday from there and am an addict to that site, yday's offer wasPortable GPS Navigator (Lifetime Traffic Edition) for TomTom's XXL 540T 5-Inch Widescreen for just $119.95 !! costing around $200 after all discounts from other sites and shops, but to my bad luck no one's coming here for atleast 4 months, may be after that I may try that time.

Originally posted by NANOtechnology View Post

i was sooo dumb to have missed reading sajit's 10/10 post.
forgive me sajit to not appreciate your post earlier.

I'll feel bad??

Originally posted by NANOtechnology View Post

infact i feel more intelligent now, and proud too having decided projector goodies and did not just settle down for plain simple hid's,
the only thing i feel bad about is the delay coz of rain and improper service feedback at piaggio's
i would have been atleast on dc by now..

some more things which i thought i'll share later after dc conversion but since i held whole day tomorrow to get that done i think i can move ahead with remaining queries.

i've decided to source particularly 2 skoda projectors.
skoda has 3 cars, having a closer look at fabia, octavia and suberb i feeel that superb has the smallest of the projectors considering size
i may have a wrong information but looking at the size i think
i can easily install 2 of those in my headlamp, so i'll go for low beam hid and halo as high beam with a 55w halo bulb as i need to flicker a lot in this mumbai b2b insanely moving traffic.

since shree has halo in his skoda projectors and h3 halo's are available i think it won't be a difficult task.

what do you guys say??

thanks again sajit, shree, Dr , abhi for your valuable comments on this newbie guy's help thread, i've never felt so supported in any of the other things i plan to do apart from the rest...

Shree's post answered almost everything.

Getting APE RR ask for the first gen RR from SVC not from the local shops. Others got some extra wires to be identified as one is a batt monitor and the other one is a mystery for me as well as the SVC

I've asked them the service manual and was told that its not permitted to give to customers WTF..... is it a rocket science to keep as secret? One smart fellow advised me to connect both to the ign wire

U should be too shrewd enough to spot these crooks. He just want to get rid of me from the spot and giving some insane reply s.

For over charging issues, I've put a relay in between the out of the RR and the batt and once the park light is on the relay is activated, else it will be off so, only on light usage my RR will get connected to batt. And it proved that no issues with the batt even with 2-3 consecutive day drives.

I would say if u r going for projectors in junk yard, dont go for H3 projectors. H3 is mostly for fogs and aux lamps. It cant offer beam spread like a driving light. Shree ur statement about ur sourced lens makes it clear that u've got fog lens, else, u would've got a same beam spread like in ur Merc lens. Octy's old model was having an integrated fog lense within the HL assy. Go for Laura lens which is H7 and its built in HID ballast and bulb, not that easy to sourcce, but u can get it a higher price. Look for the crashed HL assys of Laura, I've seen one in our place with a price tag of 3.5K for a full assy incl bulb, but no guarantee about the functionality, and fixing it to a bike is really a pain. so I dropped it.

For HB u can use any aux lamp like Shree said thats the current setup am using am not that happy though. Those laser beams I use just for flashing to some dumb ass drivers

who r armed with 2/4X100W lights and least bothered about others visibility and saftey.

Originally posted by Shreeni0403 View Post

As usual at your best

Originally posted by Shreeni0403 View Post

Well that was very informative.

Oh, thanks for the compliment dude

Why did u dropped the idea of using the Merc lens?

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