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  • Re: Superbike dream : 2016 CBR 650F

    Congrats on your purchase. It's an awesome bike. I own a 650f myself and can tell you that it's a keeper. Although I'm not sure why you're having the middle two cylinders not firing problem. I suggest you get it checked immediately as that can mean problems with injectors and ignition system. To be honest this is the first time I've heard this problem happening to any Japanese four banger let alone a CBR 650f. Anyway, happy miles bro
    Originally posted by hgps
    Chaper 1 : Hatred (2006-2011)

    “I hate bikes, I hate people who ride them” – A young obese boy of 8th standard shouted at his friend. His friend had done a mistake of informing him about newly launched Apache 180. “I’d rather buy a second hand Maruti 800 for that price” he said, seeing the 70k or so on road price in the 2006 issue of “motoring” magazine. Little did he knew that he’ll be forever hooked to motorcycles just 5 years after…
    Yes this is my story, and that fat guy happens to be me.

    Chapter 2: Biker is born (2011-2015)

    2011: “I don’t want a bike, Buy me a Honda Activa or I’m fine with my Bicycle” I yelled at my father who had just given me a brochure for Honda CB Shine and CB Twister. I was fresh out of School had just taken Admission in a college located 8KM from my house. Long story short, My father convinced me to get a bike instead of scooter and I managed to convince him that I’d (or rather, he would) buy a bike of my Choice instead of usual commuter 100-125cc bikes (yes I do feel guilty now). Visited Honda Showroom, nothing interesting except newly launched CBR250R. 1.64L for a bike seemed ridiculous (Who knew what would happen 4 years later). I finally shortlisted FZ16 and Apache 180 ABS. While FZ was love at first sight, Apache was shortlisted only for its ABS. My father made final decision to buy a FZ-S Black cyber green.

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    Spent 4 years and 23000KMs (now over 33,000KMs) with FZ and what a time it was, Butter smooth engine, Oodles of torque from 2000RPM. It was (and still is) most fun to ride bike in city traffic. Helped me learn about DIY bike maintenance, riding techniques (engine braking, throttle blipping, counter steering, and proper use of front brakes).

    It turned me into the biker I am now , Dani Pedrosa fan who doesn’t need a reason to ride. CBR1000RR repsol wall poster took the place of Ferrari 430 scuderia in my bedroom along with various scale models of repsol honda motogp and street bikes. FZ is now 8 years old, still lying at my parents house. Sitting idle most of the times. Waiting for me to ride (and admire its looks) once in every two months.

    Chapter 3: Dreams do come true (2015-2019)

    2015: “Should I buy a Duke 390?”

    I asked my bike fanatic friend who I had met just a couple of days ago. I had just moved out of my hometown after completing graduation and was pursuing my MBA. Homesick, lonely, missing my dog, my bike. I was heartbroken. Parents had already denied my request to bring my FZ-S along with me. I decided to pour my savings into a bike. I had decided that my next bike must fulfill the following criteria –
    ABS, Fuel injection, liquid cooling.

    I always had a soft spot for KTM Duke Series and Duke 390 was obvious upgrade over FZ. on the other hand i wanted to finally add a 1:1 bike to my Repsol honda scale model collection. Unable to decide, A few questions were running in my mind.

    How will you afford petrol, these bikes return poor efficiency – “I’ll ride on weekends only” my answer was.

    How will you afford maintenance costs, it has bad reputation for reliability – “ummm..KTM spares are cheap right?”

    Buy a CBR250R ABS? “Standard Black/Red is too plain and ugly. Will buy it only if I can find a Repsol Edition”

    And So I did.

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    Funny thing: Managed to stall it 7 times while taking out first time. I was so used to low end torque of my FZ.

    I wish I could create a separate thread for ownership experience of my CBR 250R. It was beautiful, reliable and comfortable. Jack of all trades. It kept me happy during hardest phases of my life and became an identity of me. Apart from regular maintenance, It required rocker arm component replacement once (Rs.2800 including labor) to solve ticking noise from engine. Front tyre was changed at 32000 KMs (MRF FC1) and rear was changed at around 24000 KMs (MRF Masseter X), Battery was changed at 34000 KMs to Amaron. Stock excide worked fine for 3 years and 9 months. Brake pads were changed twice. Longest ride I ever did was Lucknow to patna 595 KMs. Loved every single moment with my CBR250R.

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    warning: Things will get boring from here

    Chapter 4: Dream vs Responsibility (2017-19)

    Being a grown up isn't fun. I realized it in this period. While i was adding KMs to my CBR250R, Many things happened, I graduated out of college, got a job in a different city, got married and suddenly owning a superbike seemed like a distant dream. Being a fresher out of college I had barely saved a couple of lakhs before I got married. Things change after you marry someone. You no longer live for yourself. Expenses dramatically increased, combined with family pressure of buying a house. I knew it’s the time I have to make a decision, It was now or never moment. I took money from every source I could get, All of my savings, my bonus, my company’s leave allowances, personal loan, loan from employer. Even sold off my beloved CBR250R. I had to sell it off after friends and better half convinced me that I won’t be able to maintain 5 vehicles in my garage. Moreover I was eyeing on a preowned ninja 1000 so every penny I could save counted. I got a descent deal on my CBR250R and I had to let it go. It was a decision I regret everyday, still miss my 250R. Wish I hadn’t sold it.

    Posing for the one last time

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    This is the last ever photo i took. During ownership transfer at local RTO

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    Chapter 5: Superbike hunt

    With a budget of 6.5L I started my pre-owned Superbike hunt. I wasn’t interested in parallel twins so Kawasaki 650 series was out. I had no faith in benelli (although loved its exhaust note). I liked street triple 675 which I still believe is most suited for my usage. Drooled over Daytona. But there is no triumph showroom in my city and Spare parts availability (more so, affordability) will be a huge question mark. Taking all these points I finalized 3 bikes, CBR 650F, Z900 and Ninja 1000. Visited some dealers in Delhi NCR area only to realize that there is one more requirement.

    The bike must be UP registered.

    Some photos taken during my sbk hunt:

    Dream bike, hope to own it someday

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    However I believe this will be the one when i finally (if i ever) intend to upgrade

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    Look at those beauties

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    As i intended to get full transfer of ownership done. I wasn't comfortable getting an out of state bike from the dealers i had visited. Meanwhile my friend from chapter 3, suggested me to visit honda showroom and ask for used bike deals there. I found 3 used CBR 650F on offer there, 2 of them were ridiculously priced. Other one was having a relatively high mileage on its odo (still on lower 5 digit number below 15,000 KM). The bike was bone stock except for tank pad and aftermarket windshield. I casually made an offer and left. Negotiation continued over the phone and finally a descent deal was set. The guy who was selling happened to be a fellow xbhpian. A genuine chap who showed all the service history, scratches with the bike. Was very patient and friendly. Finally the day came. And I made biggest wire transfer in my life. The xbhpian who sold me his 650F picked his 650R on the very same day.

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    Coming straight from CBR250R to CBR650F, The power was intimidating, Bike revs so quickly and picks speed at such pace that I was all shaking for 5 minutes after taking my first TD. Signed all the papers with shaky hands. 4 month down the line with over 2000 KMs under my belt. Power no longer feels intimidating. Power delivery is linear. No power wheelies or drama even if you twist the throttle aggressively (although rear wheel may spin in first gear). Bike is very silent under 5000rpm. Even active/splendor riding beside you make much more noise. However post 7000rpm it’s a completely different story. While you’re holding on for your life, people will turn around to see what is making all that screaming noise. The bike is more comfortable than CBR250R. Engine although is vibey at high rpm. Its not much of an issue considering my usage that requires going to high rpm only under hard acceleration.

    The bike required the following problems sorted:

    Front brake required work: the brake lever used to sink on initial application. Changed master cylinder and bled the brakes twice. Still problem persisted. (details will be posted later how this was rectified).

    Minor oil leak from clutch case (near CKP sensor wire).

    Problems faced later during ownership: (details will be posted later)

    Middle two cylinders occasionally dying

    Clutch plates replacement DIY

    Upgrades planned/done so far (details will be posted later)

    1. Tank grip: done
    2. Radiator guard: done
    3. Exhaust: done
    4. Touring windshield: pending
    5. Tail tidy: Confused, considering i carry my wife as pillion most of the times.

    Current riding gear:

    Helmet : SPG Kranos hornet
    Jacket: Scala Marvel
    Gloves: Aspida phaeton
    Boots: Orazo Picus
    Riding gear uprade will be done in phased manner

    Fuel efficiency: getting 14.5kpl in my casual ride inside the city. Dealing with traffic and accelerating like maniac on open stretches.

    Kindly excuse inconsistent flow of narration and poor quality photos. This is my first ever ownership thread. Written in different moods over a span of 4 months. Special thanks to @rachit.K.Dogra @BoltThrower for their informative threads and youtube videos. Thanks to everyone who helped me in my WTB thread

    Enjoy some photos:

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    Posing for a photo:

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    Apartment parking, Always covered up to avoid unnecessary attention and dust

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    Photo taken last week with all upgrades installed (details will be posted soon)

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    • Re: HONDA CBR 650F Ownership Experience Thread

      Hi all

      I am reasonably new rider and I've been riding an rc 200 for a year now (7-8k KMS). I am looking for an upgrade and would like to know if a used cbr650f would be a good option. As in would the added power be too much for someone with my experience to Handel? I also intend to use this bike a daily commuter because I've heard it does it quite well. Mileage is not an issue for me however I'm curious about it so anyone with actually legitimate figures can provide me with the info. Any and all replies to these questions are much appreciated.

      Cheers!

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      • Re: HONDA CBR 650F Ownership Experience Thread

        Originally posted by AbhiTK View Post
        Hi all

        I am reasonably new rider and I've been riding an rc 200 for a year now (7-8k KMS). I am looking for an upgrade and would like to know if a used cbr650f would be a good option. As in would the added power be too much for someone with my experience to Handel? I also intend to use this bike a daily commuter because I've heard it does it quite well. Mileage is not an issue for me however I'm curious about it so anyone with actually legitimate figures can provide me with the info. Any and all replies to these questions are much appreciated.

        Cheers!
        From 200ns to cbr650 is a bad transition since you'll be going from about 21hp to 81hp at the rear wheel which is no joke. So is it a good upgrade? No I don't think so. However, the cbr650 is easy on the rider and relatively beginner friendly so if you can control your right wrist then you can have it as an upgrade. Still wouldn't advise it though.

        As for city use. Yes the bike is city use friendly since it'll go in 6th gear from 40kmph but it'll give you wonderful mileage of 12-14kmph in city bumper to bumper and might give 16 on a better day with less traffic. Still give 26kmph on the highway though. Then there's the weight, the engine heat and the fact that you can't just park in any spot because of curious monkeys who want nothing more than to climb on and fiddle with your 8lakh rupee bike.

        Go to the RE interceptor instead and then transition to this in a year or two. Don't just jump to this. That's my advice take it or leave it.

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        • Re: Superbike dream : 2016 CBR 650F

          Originally posted by hgps
          Continuing on with Details of problems faced and how they were sorted:


          1. Front brake required work:


          Problem: Front brake was working erratically. Most of the times it worked fine, but sometimes it sank till the end of lever travel before giving any brake bite.

          Solutions tried:

          1. Changed master cylinder (Nissin OEM: priced @ 3500/-) and got brake bleeding done twice by an experienced superbike mechanic.
          He bled the brakes with gravity feed method (hence trapping air bubbles inside). Unlike the method shown here by Drifty


          This made it worse. Now, the lever was sinking all the time with barely any brake bite. I had to pump it multiple times to get any kind of retardation.

          2. Disappointed with the work done by the mechanic. I tried bleeding myself, following same method mentioned in the tutorial from the above link. Failed miserably. Got air sucked in twice when I forgot to top up the brake fluid in master cylinder.

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          3. Finally admitting defeat, gave the bike to Honda ASC. Couldn’t find out what they did as I had to leave for my office after dropping off the bike there. Mechanic said they cleaned the brake lever and caliper piston and bled the brakes. It finally did the trick. It’s been 4 months and its working fine since then.


          2. Middle two cylinders occasionally dying:
          Two months into ownership and I started to notice occasional power losses with my bike. When this power loss happened, bike used to sound like a twin cylinder bike. Initially it used to happen for 2-3 seconds before going back to normal again. Transition between these 2 states was instant, no gradual loss was there. Like an On-off switch. I thought it must be clogged fuel injector or bad quality fuel.

          Solutions tried:

          1. Tried fuel injector cleaner, siphoned out all the fuel out of tank and filled fresh fuel yet the problem persisted.

          Over the next couple of weeks the duration of power loss gradually increased. Temperature difference between all four headers told me that Middle two cylinders were the one’s not firing properly. Only Cylinder 1 and 4 were firing normally. Helpful folks at cbr650f forums told me that this must be due to faulty ignition coil. CBR650F has two ignition coils, one controlling Cylinder 1 and 4 while other one controlling cylinder 2 and 3.

          2. Gave the bike to Honda ASC once again. Told the mechanic that ignition coil might be faulty. However “experience” of the mechanic stated otherwise, As per him, exhaust of my bike was choked with pebbles and rags. He said he has cleaned the exhaust and bike is fine now while slapping me with Rs.1600 labor charge.

          Wish I could say the problem was solved at this point but no. Returning back same thing happened numerous times.
          As if paying 1600 for nothing wasn’t bad enough. Icing on the cake? 6L of petrol was used up while “testing” the bike and there wasn’t even a single drop of petrol in the tank. Clutch apparently was also gone during this testing and the bike was now slipping its clutch badly after 5000 RPM.

          3. Frustrated I decided to take matter in my own hands and next day opened the fairing and tried checking ignition coil health with a multimeter.

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          Found the culprit immediately.

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          A wire on ignition coil was torn so badly that It was barely joined by its shielding. Check the video



          Spliced, soldered and insulated. Its running fine since then.

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          Next post:

          Clutch plates replacement DIY: ASC mechanic mentioned above (ignition coil problem) placed order for clutch plates on my behalf. Thankfully I no longer trusted his competency. Picked up the service manual only to find that he had placed 1 friction plate and 1 steel plate less. He also ordered extra parts which were not required for clutch plate replacement and promised me that he would return extra items if I get the work done by him.
          I don't have any faith in him. Have been collecting all the parts and tools to do the work myself. Its been 2.5 months since my initial order, only clutch springs haven't arrived yet. Will post updated DIY guide once the job is done.
          DIY gives peace of mind. [emoji106] [emoji108]

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          • Re: Superbike dream : 2016 CBR 650F

            Hi there ,ah a relief after reading this, I wanted to buy a cbr like yours .but this pre own experience got me into very bad thoughts like "if every other cbr has this " .I want to confirm from you like about mileage as i want to tour and other cbr owners report ,atleast 20-25 kmpl on this model if run stock and what should be done in reality before buying a pre own cbr ?
            BLAKBANDIT

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            • Re: Superbike dream : 2016 CBR 650F

              If you don't mind [MENTION=49015]hgps[/MENTION], shall I move this thread to the general Motorcycle Ownership Experiences. Such detailed thread must be known to everyone, as this is an excellent beginner sport bike, and it deserves to be read by everyone. Let me know, if you're okay with it.

              Cheers!
              VJ
              Once upon a time, a guy asked a girl 'Will you marry me?'
              The girl said, 'NO!'


              And the guy lived happily ever after and rode motorcycles and watched sport on a big screen TV, went fishing and surfing, and played golf a lot, and drank beer and scotch and had tons of money in the bank and left the toilet seat up and farted whenever he wanted.


              THE END

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              • Re: 2016 CBR 650F Comprehensive Ownership Thread

                @hgps, I have moved the thread to ownership experience. Now, thank you for the valuable inputs, and keep this as much as updated as you can with everything you do on the bike.

                Cheers!
                VJ
                Once upon a time, a guy asked a girl 'Will you marry me?'
                The girl said, 'NO!'


                And the guy lived happily ever after and rode motorcycles and watched sport on a big screen TV, went fishing and surfing, and played golf a lot, and drank beer and scotch and had tons of money in the bank and left the toilet seat up and farted whenever he wanted.


                THE END

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                • Re: 2016 CBR 650F Comprehensive Ownership Thread

                  For, I feel, Honda Throttle isn't a great oil. My CBR 250R to mild vibrations using this oil at certain RPMs. A confusing oil to say the least, sometimes performs brilliantly and sometimes behaves crappy as a Bajaj engine oil. I've been using Shell and Motul 7100 since then. The 10w40 can be the cause for vibrations, but that should settle in once the engine clocks a few hundred kays. I'd suggest you use Liqui Moly additive shooters and see how it performs. Seems to be getting good reviews.

                  Cheers!
                  VJ
                  Once upon a time, a guy asked a girl 'Will you marry me?'
                  The girl said, 'NO!'


                  And the guy lived happily ever after and rode motorcycles and watched sport on a big screen TV, went fishing and surfing, and played golf a lot, and drank beer and scotch and had tons of money in the bank and left the toilet seat up and farted whenever he wanted.


                  THE END

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                  • Re: 2016 CBR 650F Comprehensive Ownership Thread

                    Originally posted by B7ACKTHORN View Post
                    For, I feel, Honda Throttle isn't a great oil. My CBR 250R to mild vibrations using this oil at certain RPMs. A confusing oil to say the least, sometimes performs brilliantly and sometimes behaves crappy as a Bajaj engine oil. I've been using Shell and Motul 7100 since then. The 10w40 can be the cause for vibrations, but that should settle in once the engine clocks a few hundred kays. I'd suggest you use Liqui Moly additive shooters and see how it performs. Seems to be getting good reviews.

                    Cheers!
                    VJ
                    Also polytron engine oil additive.

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                    • Re: 2016 CBR 650F Comprehensive Ownership Thread

                      I totally agree with vj, the Honda oil makes the bike feel smooth. , But for my usage it's only good for 2000kms . Shell is again quite good, but I feel motul and liqui moly last longer if your throttle happy majority of the time. Also I've heard mobil 1 is one of the most expensive oils , any justification in that?
                      Originally posted by B7ACKTHORN View Post
                      For, I feel, Honda Throttle isn't a great oil. My CBR 250R to mild vibrations using this oil at certain RPMs. A confusing oil to say the least, sometimes performs brilliantly and sometimes behaves crappy as a Bajaj engine oil. I've been using Shell and Motul 7100 since then. The 10w40 can be the cause for vibrations, but that should settle in once the engine clocks a few hundred kays. I'd suggest you use Liqui Moly additive shooters and see how it performs. Seems to be getting good reviews.

                      Cheers!
                      VJ

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                      • Re: 2016 CBR 650F Comprehensive Ownership Thread

                        Originally posted by hgps
                        I had experimented with Honda throttle 10W30, Motul 7100 10W40, Motul 300V (can't receall grade) and Shell advance 10W40 on my CBR250R. Honda throttle was best oil in terms of smoothness but only lasted for ~2800-3000KMs, after which harshness used to increase considerably. It was quick to warm up as well. Motul 300V was absolutely useless and used to take ages to warm up (almost as long as 150KMs of high speed riding). Till then bike used to feel harsh and unrefined. Motul 7100 and shell advance were good for everyday use with shell scoring a bit higher than 7100. It used to last 4000-5000KMs easily, although not as smooth as honda throttle (maybe due to thicker grade), but shell lasted longer than Honda throttle.


                        With summer season coming up, I thought it'd be wise decision to switch to thicker 10W40 oil. Lets see how it fares. I may try liqui moly next time.

                        I had read somewhere on one of the online forums that Honda engines are generally very fussy for factory spec engine oil. They work the best with Hondas own engine oil. I cant confirm this, but this is something that I had read. I have read all kinds of feedback for all kinds of engine oils.

                        I am sticking to what they recommend and what they use while servicing the bike. Eventually they are the ones who are going to provide warranty on the engine. I personally have had no issues with the bike.

                        CHEERS!!

                        Rachit
                        Rachit K Dogra

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                        • Re: 2016 CBR 650F Comprehensive Ownership Thread

                          Originally posted by hgps

                          The bike had been performing occasional commuting duties only ever since it was purchased, Riding this kind of bike in heavy traffic is a bad idea even if it's as practical as a 650F. People will try to race with you, overtake you with thin margin, cut you across. I had been ignoring them for quite a while but had a near miss yesterday when an activa rider went crazy and cut across my path almost hitting my front wheel. I was carrying my wife. For the sake of our safety, I'll avoid taking her along with me during heavy traffic. Maybe spend some time in a cafe and wait for evening peak hour traffic to settle down a bit.

                          I'm also looking forward to replace my kranos imola future helmet with something else. Maybe MT blade (for its internal sun visor) or HJC CL17 if i can get my hands on one. Riding pants will also be added in a few months.
                          Kinda agree with you. Although 650F is a very useable bike, but riding it in traffic regularly would not be as enjoyable. It can do it, but some factors like you have mentioned make it less enjoyable.

                          I would recommend the HJC CL17 of the two.

                          CHEERS!!

                          Rachit
                          Rachit K Dogra

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                          • Re: HONDA CBR 650F Ownership Experience Thread

                            I guess more than the bike I should say congrats for having such an amazing wife who actually pushed you to get a superbike

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                            Mahesh

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                            • Re: Honda CBR 650F/650R Comprehensive Ownership Thread

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                              • Re: Honda CBR 650F/650R Comprehensive Ownership Thread

                                Any idea if Honda would bring the cb650r to India? And I'm yet too see much ownership reviews of the CBR 650r...

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