hi,
if they will call passion, a power pro... then what words would they come up for zma... and their further power monsters if they are atall thinking of lauching any...

by the way nice comparo with the green kwacker.... may be they are planning ahead that because bajaj is going to launch kwacker so they are giving up the green theme in their bikes as an enhancement..

so that Indian buyers have already something to choose from...

and they would claim they were the first ones to come up with the green colour in their bikes as they say that they were the first ones to give led tail lights( it was not the pulsar but the cbz extreme first one with the led tail lighting.)and it was not the dtsfi with the first FI but glamour FI.. was the pioneer...
and now its not the green colour kwacker first one... but passion ne baaze maar he lee....

when a majority of average 2 wheeler commuters upgrade to affordable cars like nano and when good used cars will be available at ~50K etc ,then the current 2 wheeler mileage savvy segment will die a fast death.then expect the power motorcycles as in 250cc's and multi-cylinder ones to gain the original biker's.

My replies in bold

Hahaha this thread is funny as hell

BTW - IMO Passion Power Pro is too long a name. People will get tired of saying it. Passion Plus was a nice catchy phrase

Exhibit A: Bhaisaab aap kaunsi bike chalate ho?
Exhibit B: Hero Honda Passion Power Pro
Exhibit A: kya??????????? Yeh power waale mein toh milaege kum hoga!!!

What?? The fastest Indian bike in Stock Condition ... and it's for Posers????

it's not for performance??? You sure?

Man! If this is a joke, it IS funny after all! R15 for posers?? hahaha


and if it is not a joke, dude, Test Ride it & then conclude ... like I have test ridden it ... ok?

@ Psycho98: Dude, you didn't get my point ... Very less bikes exist from 80s-90s ... & reliability brings long life ...

So, how can we compare ?? I mean, if Platina would have been an 80's Brand, it would have been more reliable automatically ... many would have existed upto now ...

and yes, I have seen bad HH's too ... The other day, a Glamour was making as much Smoke as an RX100 ...

and my Friend's Splendor has some wheel alignment issues .. they never were repaired by anyone including HH's Service ...

What I say is, Hero Hondas are Reliable, but Competition is very close now ... Others are "better/ catching up soon" on Reliability... Especially Yamaha (including their 106cc's like Alba) ...

It's our mistake we ignored Yamaha, even when we had to purchase 100cc ...

I guess you are mis-interpreting my words.. I said.. R15 is basically posers' choices. choices.. I am NOT saying it is for posers, I am saying it is poser's choices, who until now modded their bikes into R1s, CBRs, etc.. That's my observation and thinking..

Alteast at my place, majority of the owners I know have gone for R15 just for the looks, then the power. If you bring in a FZ of around 20bhps power and R15 of that same 17bhps, for same price... I bet majority will cash in for R15.. Like it, hate it.

Sorry for being off-topic, if it is.

Your right man so much faster for such a price difference, its worth every buck you spent over the 2nd fastest bike.
If someone is purely seeking performance they'd buy a Zma and add K&N and stuff, no?

Actually the point is not about who makes the most reliable bikes but that HH has been making bikes for so long that they cant go wrong with anything except the styling and stickers of course.

As a Yamaha owner living in a non-metropolitan city,I beg to differ on the Yamaha part.The first time the engine decided to conk off,all the "uber-high quality Yamaha parts" and "brilliant Yamaha engineering" went out of the window and never came back.
That's Yamaha for me,brilliant to ride occasionally,not so brilliant to live with everyday.

P.S.: I would choose a Discover over a Gladiator anyday,if only it had 5 gears and disc brakes.

Bro i would like to differ here, HH's success to date is more to do with brand image than mere reliablity of its products. HH shot into fame when the bajaj scooters and Rx 100 were ruling the roost. Rx was never unreliable by any stretch of imagination but HH changed the rules of the game by bringing a bike which was fuel efficient and as reliable as the Rx.splendor was a better overall package for the masses and hence splendour become a cult figure and bajaj and yamaha almost lost their shops in india.HH became a household name and thats why even today if you ask the older generations they dont want to look beyond HH.today even if Honda decides to pull the plug on HH and brings in their own 100cc it would still be very difficult to displace HH from that segment. even today you ll find many people who feel honda is hero honda .bajaj realised it earlier and cashed in on the performance segment and still rules it .and for that matter bajaj has 50% of the market share in 125cc segment. where has HH gone ?,what is the share of HH in 150cc and in higher displacement segments.my point is time is changing fast. people are looking for value for money and better package as a whole . the time is not far when HH will feel the heat eventually.bajaj and tvs are catching up on the reliablity front as well and the day their engine become as reliable as the HH, HH will have nowhere to hide. HH need to do a lot more than just sticker jobs.the more early they realise it the better. they should be proud of their legacy but they need to look ahead and come out with better engines and bikes as a whole.plz dnt tell me splendor's engine is the best that can be achieved ever and it cant be improved upon. for example a scooter company like bajaj from being wiped out of the market is now knocking at the doors of the HH only because they decided to go that extra distance but the million dollar question is -" is HH willing to go that extra distance and breach those unconquered frontiers" we would love to see a new HH whose upgrades are not superficial but deep.till then the brick bats will continue

@all -saw one of the new passion pro 2day.
not in green but in red with similar old graphics.
no engine change neither the rear portion ,only the visor has changed.
srry but couldnt click photos as the owner was rite there

need not bring rx100 here, its gone for good!

hmmm, I am sure ZMA is still selling more than p220s and p200s. i still c more new ZMA-Rs!!!

OT : plz read the text fully then only ll you know what the other person intends to say.every comment was made in a particular context which i feel u missed completely.picking up a line or two will not serve anypurpose if its not viewed in the right context.the gist of the whole comment was only one thing and that has been highlighted in blue fonts in the previous posts coz i always expected this reply. Bro the discussion should be healthy and in the context we are not here to gain brawny points over each other.

the Rx and bajaj scooter comment was made coz splendor sounded the death knell for these two.here iam not comparing RX with splendor what iam saying is if yamaha had read the market well then, things would have been different,and when the market was shifting towards performance bikes yamaha was waging a lost battle against the might of hero honda and let bajaj take the initiative and if HH is not careful enough some otherbike may do the same to splendor if it doesnt improve with time like what happened to CBZ.the trend is changing and now customers need more than just mileage from their 100cc.

i said 150 and higher performance bikes.sirji, you forgot a bike called pulsar 180 which unfortunately also comes under the performance segment in india. 180, 220 200- now plz dnt tell me ZMA outnumbers the sale of all these in the performance segment.now you know who rules the roost in the performance segment.

Bro plz dont make generalised conclusion coz you have seen a particular trend in your place ,in my place i see a lot of 200s far far more than the ZMA and the number of 220 is fast catching up.dont think i need to remind you of the 180. the reason iam telling you this is because such type of comments hijacks the very purpose of this thread and number of OT increases like it just did.

now shall we stick to the thread pls

I see ... and yes, you do have a point there. Yet for many, The BHP doesn't matter much ... That's true ...

Such posers wouldn't live long as they don't wear helmets, tease girls, drive crazy, etc.

Sorry for off topic ...

i really didnt like the newst color offering from HH. pathetic color...........green n that too doesnt gel well with a small bike like Passion. ANd there is nothing PRO within that engine