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  • #46
    You know what I like about HH. It's that they are making good bikes for the 'Uncle age group'. And they have every right too.
    We should be pleased when HH bikes are being bought by Uncles.
    We on our Bajaj/TVS/Yamha/Hondas atleast have a consolation that their is something that separate boys from men.Or should I say boys from Uncles.

    P.S. No part of my above speech is directed towards the ZMA. Dont beat me up in case anyone misinterprets it.
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    • #47
      I was just walking the other day and i came across a HH CD100, which normally wouldn't even have been in my line of sight had i been riding my bike (and for that reason i beg the SVC guys to give it to me soon), and the oddest thing struck me, the engine had a boxer layout (lateral) just like the splendour and this had got me thinking that whether CD100's mill is the same in the Splendour and it's variants too? Anybody care to clarify this?
      I'm too intelligent to the unintended, and too dumb for the obvious.

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      • #48
        Originally posted by 46 the Greatest ever View Post
        need not bring rx100 here, its gone for good!

        hmmm, I am sure ZMA is still selling more than p220s and p200s. i still c more new ZMA-Rs!!!
        Maybe not the P220 but the P200 (at least in the NCR region) definitely is a more common sight than the ZMA (with or without the "R").

        Originally posted by EL LOCO DIABLO View Post
        I was just walking the other day and i came across a HH CD100, which normally wouldn't even have been in my line of sight had i been riding my bike (and for that reason i beg the SVC guys to give it to me soon), and the oddest thing struck me, the engine had a boxer layout (lateral) just like the splendour and this had got me thinking that whether CD100's mill is the same in the Splendour and it's variants too? Anybody care to clarify this?
        The CD100, CD100 SS, Sleek, Joy, CD Dawn, CD DEluxe, Splendor, Splendor Plus, Passion, Passion Plus are all based on the same engine architecture. i.e the Horizontally laid out 100 cc Honda Engine originally found in its Internationally best selling Honda CUB.

        In Bajaj's case the Boxer, Caliber, Caliber 115, CT100, Platina 100, Discover 110 all share a common engine architecture which originally came from the KB 4S Champion (the external lubrication line is the obvious cue here).



        Last edited by payeng; 10-27-2008, 01:13 PM.

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        • #49
          Originally posted by payeng View Post
          The CD100, CD100 SS, Sleek, Joy, CD Dawn, CD DEluxe, Splendor, Splendor Plus, Passion, Passion Plus are all based on the same engine architecture. i.e the Horizontally laid out 100 cc Honda Engine originally found in its Internationally best selling Honda CUB.

          In Bajaj's case the Boxer, Caliber, Caliber 115, CT100, Platina 100, Discover 110 all share a common engine architecture which originally came from the KB 4S Champion (the external lubrication line is the obvious cue here).
          Well probably saved them a lot of money in R&D with that!! Boons of assembly line engineering
          I'm too intelligent to the unintended, and too dumb for the obvious.

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          • #50
            HH continuing its dominance in 100cc segment, so whatever we guys say against or in favour of HH, things might not just change as we would like, as they will still continue launching bikes like Passion Power Pro Mileage NOS(Next Upgrade from HH) without making so much input in R&D except from stickering jobs wired color combinations, in order to gain maximum profit.
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            • #51
              How many XBHPians have a Passion?

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              • #52
                Originally posted by nitrosatya View Post
                How many XBHPians have a Passion?
                I'm not a Passion owner ... (Thank God!)

                If you race ahead & search every profile on Xbhp, you might find 2-3 of them.

                My feelings about this thread :--->



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                • #53
                  Duh! My first bike was a HH Passion.... and its build quality was much better as compared to my Much pampered Avenger...
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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Samarth 619 View Post
                    I'm not a Passion owner ... (Thank God!)

                    If you race ahead & search every profile on Xbhp, you might find 2-3 of them.

                    My feelings about this thread :--->

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                    MODS, forgive me ... That's why they call me "Chalta Firta Vivaad" !!
                    hehehe... even I thank GOD n Myself as well, dat am not the commuters type Proud Passion Owner!
                    Hey Samarth who did dat small photoshop add on HH...?
                    Qudos to 'em. Concept is good i mean, No offences meant. coz I own a HH myself (but not the Passion, thk God, yeh!)

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by 46 the Greatest ever View Post
                      Why would anyone visit or even bother to go through a forum like xbhp if he wants to buy a passion/splendor. what's so wrong about these bikes? what's wrong in giving just a refreshing look to these bikes? if Bajaj say's they want to do away with 100cc then its their problem, probably they realized that they will never beat HH passion/splendor!!!

                      have u all forgotten that Honda's largest selling bike has been a Honda Cub 50cc? correct me if i am wrong?

                      HH has done a right thing with the passion!

                      I am really interested to know that how many of you performance enthusiasts have gone for R15 since its launch???
                      Why you talking about just an R15...
                      Am bloody Happy with My ZMA R! Bring Me any R15 on track against mah ZMA R n i'll show...

                      The road of life twists and turns and no two directions are ever the same. Yet our lessons come from the journey, not the destination.
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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by burnrubbernotursoul View Post
                        OT : plz read the text fully then only ll you know what the other person intends to say.every comment was made in a particular context which i feel u missed completely.picking up a line or two will not serve anypurpose if its not viewed in the right context.the gist of the whole comment was only one thing and that has been highlighted in blue fonts in the previous posts coz i always expected this reply. Bro the discussion should be healthy and in the context we are not here to gain brawny points over each other.

                        the Rx and bajaj scooter comment was made coz splendor sounded the death knell for these two.here iam not comparing RX with splendor what iam saying is if yamaha had read the market well then, things would have been different,and when the market was shifting towards performance bikes yamaha was waging a lost battle against the might of hero honda and let bajaj take the initiative and if HH is not careful enough some otherbike may do the same to splendor if it doesnt improve with time like what happened to CBZ.the trend is changing and now customers need more than just mileage from their 100cc.

                        i said 150 and higher performance bikes.sirji, you forgot a bike called pulsar 180 which unfortunately also comes under the performance segment in india. 180, 220 200- now plz dnt tell me ZMA outnumbers the sale of all these in the performance segment.now you know who rules the roost in the performance segment.

                        Bro plz dont make generalised conclusion coz you have seen a particular trend in your place ,in my place i see a lot of 200s far far more than the ZMA and the number of 220 is fast catching up.dont think i need to remind you of the 180. the reason iam telling you this is because such type of comments hijacks the very purpose of this thread and number of OT increases like it just did.

                        now shall we stick to the thread pls
                        Well i know am being a lil off topic! but I would like to add this...
                        Its a fact that ZMAs sale had not been affected a bit, by the arrival of p200s, n p220s... it seemed like it will but i didnt. But yes, the Ps made their own place n created a new generation of buyers, without affecting the sales of ZMAs. I dont know where "your place" is! But where i live is, in 3 cities simultaneously... (MUMBAI/PUNE/NAGPUR...)
                        3 places, one a cosmopolitan, another a city mostly crowded by Outside students n IT professional, n last but not the least, a city known to be calm n an upcoming metropolitan...
                        I can say, that I can better judge with My eyes wide Open looking at the traffic to spot BIKES n different BIKES n new BIKES.
                        So I personally can say, I can compare n judge right (I hope so)

                        Am not trying to tell you who rules the roost, but dude a reality check might HELP!
                        No hard feelings, this is just My personal view based on some solid facts...
                        Last edited by spiderweb; 11-02-2008, 03:33 AM.

                        The road of life twists and turns and no two directions are ever the same. Yet our lessons come from the journey, not the destination.
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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by spiderweb View Post
                          Well i know am being a lil off topic! but I would like to add this...
                          Its a fact that ZMAs sale had not been affected a bit, by the arrival of p200s, n p220s... it seemed like it will but i didnt. But yes, the Ps made their own place n created a new generation of buyers, without affecting the sales of ZMAs. I dont know where "your place" is! But where i live is, in 3 cities simultaneously... (MUMBAI/PUNE/NAGPUR...)
                          3 places, one a cosmopolitan, another a city mostly crowded by Outside students n IT professional, n last but not the least, a city known to be calm n an upcoming metropolitan...
                          I can say, that I can better judge with My eyes wide Open looking at the traffic to spot BIKES n different BIKES n new BIKES.
                          So I personally can say, I can compare n judge right (I hope so)

                          Am not trying to tell you who rules the roost, but dude a reality check might HELP!
                          No hard feelings, this is just My personal view based on some solid facts...
                          Bro! i never said that 220 and 200 sell more than ZMA. BTW when i was in Delhi i saw a large no of ZMA. does that mean that ZMA sells more than any other performance bike. or for that matter i know the HH dealer here who is my freind who told me that selling 6 ZMA's a month is a big task, all HH wanted them to do is to sell a minimum of 10 splendors a day. but if i say from this that ZMA is a bad seller would be naive.my point is lets not generalise things by seeing a trend that exists in your or my place.check out the statistics from any bussiness journals or newspaper and tell me who shares a significant share of the market in the performance segment(180 and above)

                          when i said bajaj shares 50% of the market share in 125cc i got it from stats published by different newspapers and magazine. all the thing i have said about who is ruling the roost is from the different statistics published in newspapers. well 1st of all you got the wrong impression of things. why i told about "my place" is to tell only 1 thing which has been highlighted in blue and you did the same mistake. India is not only about metros a sizable portion of buyers are also located in other so called small places of India and 2nd is iam too small a person to travel all over India to get my facts right so a poor guy like me has to rely on statistics published in newspapers and business mags nyway thanks for the reality check
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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by burnrubbernotursoul View Post
                            Bro! i never said that 220 and 200 sell more than ZMA. BTW when i was in Delhi i saw a large no of ZMA. does that mean that ZMA sells more than any other performance bike. or for that matter i know the HH dealer here who is my freind who told me that selling 6 ZMA's a month is a big task, all HH wanted them to do is to sell a minimum of 10 splendors a day. but if i say from this that ZMA is a bad seller would be naive.my point is lets not generalise things by seeing a trend that exists in your or my place.check out the statistics from any bussiness journals or newspaper and tell me who shares a significant share of the market in the performance segment(180 and above)

                            when i said bajaj shares 50% of the market share in 125cc i got it from stats published by different newspapers and magazine. all the thing i have said about who is ruling the roost is from the different statistics published in newspapers. well 1st of all you got the wrong impression of things. why i told about "my place" is to tell only 1 thing which has been highlighted in blue and you did the same mistake. India is not only about metros a sizable portion of buyers are also located in other so called small places of India and 2nd is iam too small a person to travel all over India to get my facts right so a poor guy like me has to rely on statistics published in newspapers and business mags nyway thanks for the reality check
                            Hehehe! Even am not some rich guy yaar n am not even giving you a reality check...! Dat you can do by your own. Even i had to rely on mags n journals for the info n statastics. But my personal view is dat p180 should not fall into the performance segment, even you think the same i guess! n about ZMAs n Ps, they got their own niche, rite? Coz even i never said dat they sell more than the Ps, i just said ke the ZMAs sales were not affected by the launch of P mania. they created their own buyers.
                            n am not even saying that you are wrong, only the basis of your statastics, i thought was a bit incorrect for the present. N i guess you got too personal with "who rules the roost"... hehehe!
                            We are here for a healthy discussion as you said in one of your previous post, right?
                            (the point is lets not generalise things by seeing a trend that exists in your or my place)
                            n dats what exactly even i wanted to say...
                            CHEERS!!!

                            The road of life twists and turns and no two directions are ever the same. Yet our lessons come from the journey, not the destination.
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                            • #59
                              Guys, let's stay on topic ... Unfortunately, "Passion" is the topic ...
                              Still guys, I'm sensing a change in HH ... Think about it! Disk Brakes in 100cc??

                              I think (actually hope) HH is changing towards performance ... What do you say, Guys?

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                              @ Spiderweb:
                              Well, it's an internet Pic, except that I "painted" the HH related Text in small font, rest was already there. Thought, you guys might enjoy it!

                              and yes, Karizma is the only HH bike which I would love to drive ...Congrats!
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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by 46 the Greatest ever View Post
                                I am really interested to know that how many of you performance enthusiasts have gone for R15 since its launch???
                                Kindly keep your cool in a public forum like xbhp and stop generalizing your sarcasm.
                                Most of us are petrol-heads here.We are mad. We don't care why people buy a 100cc when a better engineered 125cc can deliver almost the same mileage.
                                And since you very kindly put it:Why havent us all performance enthusiast bought the R15? The answer simply put is because most of us here are simple people and we have to think 10 times before we can spend one lakh on a bike. A bike which cannot be used daily for everyday runs.
                                That's why most of us go for ZMA,P200 and P220. I have a Gladiator. It's a 125cc. It looks good,has enough torque to lug me around the city and because it has five gears it feels relaxed on an occasional highway stint.
                                What part of the above can YOUR 100cc achieve fully?

                                I am sure that the bike that will be most successful in India will be one such that has the best of both worlds.The comfort and the performance.
                                I know we all bicker a lot about performance but at the end of the day we want our butts to be comfortable as well.

                                Originally posted by Samarth 619 View Post
                                Guys, let's stay on topic ... Unfortunately, "Passion" is the topic ...
                                Still guys, I'm sensing a change in HH ... Think about it! Disk Brakes in 100cc??

                                I think (actually hope) HH is changing towards performance ... What do you say, Guys?

                                I think it will be an option and nobody will go for it. People will save their two grands. Who cares if the shiny round thing stops you quicker when all day long you are doing 40.
                                Last edited by nightwing; 11-02-2008, 05:47 PM.
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