nice one......................

That comment about Bajaj is unwarranted. No I don't work for them nor am I a fanboy.
Why is it that when Someone points out the lack of R&D at HH, he becomes a basher and when someone else makes a preposterous claim about Bajaj, it automatically becomes the truth?

+1. I still see first generation pulsars on road and they are doing pretty fine. Yet, people say that pulsars fall apart. There are those who say that HH bikes don't need any maintenance and Bajaj bikes need Rs.5000 every year.
I guess this is all off-topic so sorry for that. And I am also a 50-odd posts in recent months guy so I know whatever I said is trash.

Hmm...not a fanboy? Forgotten your userid, have you?

So my statement is preposterous? And we see lots of first generation Pulsars on the roads? Great! Ever stopped and asked some of them "first-generation" Pulsar owners what it takes to keep the bike running?

I have a Pulsar myself. I know what I am talking about. The term "fall apart" is a reference to the constant maintenance and upkeep required to keep the bike shipshape. And if you still think that a Pulsar runs great of its own accord with lesser external help as compared to other manufacturers, then that is a preposterous claim about Bajaj.


Ed: As for the above post, I agree with the last statement.

I didnt agree to it either, but its a flaimbait and didnt want to pick it up.
The argument was about the misleading thread and not individual posts... anyways carry on if you must.


It would be easier for all of us if you avoid a flaimbait... I dont sometimes. Especially from the ones with 50 some posts of which 80% are favouring some manufacturers and 10% some bashing 'other' manufacturers and some here and there...

Take a chill pill, stick to the topic!


@Tanany: Dude! You too! Why man!

i see nothing wrong in Hero's decision of hiring people from Various companies....it's extremely normal...

It is perfectly normal to hire or poach employees from rivals. Infact that is the reason many firms have specific clauses in the contracts that prohibit employees from joining a rival for some specified time. Companies like vodafone and airtel have anti-poaching agreement in place.

But what worries me is that HH is not staring at bankruptcy in terms of money but staring at emptiness of ideas. And for that to change it needs some new and young blood. People at fag end of their career do have immense amount of experience but they rarely have a vision to jumpstart a stagnant organization.
Bajaj for all its follies and troubles with gremlins is still smart enough to pick up a stake in KTM or a Tata picking up Jaguar. These kind of decisions are not always about earning profit but to get a bit of technical superiority in the home market. And it takes time to get that into your system. The new gen pulsars and the next gen TATA products will bear the fruit of that marriage.
I posted some time back that HH needs some one young and dynamic as its head. It has all the monies to change the perception and its fortune, but like neo said in the end of that epic "..where you want to take it from here is the choice that i leave to you." They have that choice.

I sense some serious anti-bajaj sentiments.. I wont try to smother your love for anti-bajaj sentiments... But I would like to mention that the world has changed since 1999... It is 2011 now and a lot of things have changed...

No Bajaj bikes are not unbreakable but they aren't as worthless as you and many more make them out to be...

Anyways bask in your anti-bajaj sunshine...

p.s.: I do not think the statemnet made by the bajaj official was the right thing to do...

Experience is not necessarily over-rated, certainly not in this case....

I hope you appreciate that there is more to R&D than taking a blank sheet and doodling on it.... It takes a lot of processes behind-the-scenes for a company to come out with a new or refurbished product every year...

Bajaj had built its R&D capabilities over more than a decade and has learnt from its not so successful and successful products..HH's problem is that it doesn't have that luxury of time...

The Bajaj veteran seems to have spent significant amount of time in their R&D department. Rest assured, Bajaj would not keep him on payroll 2-3 years after retirement if he was not adding value...

It makes perfect sense for HH to pick up a veteran of India's most successful 2-wheeler R&D dept in order to kick-start their own.

By the way, the sucess of an R&D dept is not measured by the quality (thats the engineering dept) of the products or the technologically advanced concepts it comes out with. It depends on how frequently they can come up with new/refurbished commercially viable products each year.

And I agree with Satyen, its sad that an Bajaj Auto official makes such a comment on a senior R&D veteran in a National Daily.

I agree too that the statement is unwarranted... But you never know.. The media could have misquoted him or taken it out of context... We dont know what question was asked and what scenario it was answered... You can't understimate the media wrt spicing things up...

Thank you, your sense of sensing is quite sensibly sensitive and lacks sense!
You are still responding to the thread with a flaimbait, and actually even laying some more.

My association with Bajaj as a customer, shareholder and more doesnt need your certificate. Thanks.

PS: The argument was 1) about the thread 2) about the fanboyism in bashing any manufacturer more so to HH, and 3) The sad quote from a 'senior' bajaj official.

Dont MisQuote me on this please..

There is no flaming in my words Satyen... I am speaking peacefully and putting my point forward, exactly what this forum is meant for... Please stop thinking that everyone that quotes you is trying to flame... Also please get out of your shell thinking that anyone who has a kind word for bajaj lacks sense...

No you do not need my certificate... And no one needs yours to speak about their own experiences and preferences... Also I am no one to judge ur relationship with Bajaj in whatever respect that might be... But your posts not only on this thread but many other threads seem to reek of hatred... Just my observation, I maybe mistaken...

Do not get so offended on other peoples words when you yourself give them out so rashly...

Coming back to the thread... Yes the statements weren't the right thing to do but as I explained in my earlier post you never know how the media is misquoting... You blame me of misquoting you on a forum where I have no benefits whatsoever... There are a lot of benefits for the media for misquoting and taking stuff out of context... And we all know how stupid the media can get nowadays... So try taking things with a pinch of salt...

nuf said... ta...

Hero Honda lacked R&D and were excelling in graphics, thats what we all cribbed in last decade!

Now they are POACHING (as per article) people for their own R&D, then what is problem to others.

If the guy is happy to join HH for R&D then why the word Poach is used, crazy and senseless journalism.

never ever it crossed my mind...that we can gossip on matters lyk this...in xbhp....it simply defys the whole motto/aim of XBHP ! ! !

Its not about Journalism. Poaching is a common term used in any industry. In fact some IT companies have anti-poaching contracts with each other.

If you were a two wheeler company, would you not be worried that your talent will leave for a new company? It is just that they will have to find ways to stop them.

Sorry for OT.

I am wondering if they are looking to hire from engineering R&D or hiring from graphic design companies to design new stickering