They have improved a lot. And in few aspects they are better than the japs like ASS and Spare availably. And they cost less too.

I have a May/2009 P200. Done 27K on the odo. No break downs no glitches etc to the date. I have changed only the exhaust due to a crash. Other than that no parts changed. Heck even the clutch plates are intact although I rip it like mad most of the time. Still touches 135+ on speedo and still sounds awesome The only thing you gotta take care of is fairing rattles. But I think its due to the old design not the plastic quality. I have observed that even brand new Passions/Splendors shakes like mad & if you rip them you only hear vibes but the new bikes like stunner and twister have negligible plastic rattles. So its the design/shassis not the plastic quality.

And people will claim that pulsars fall apart in one year and will loose performance/efficiency. Well mine is still kick a** and no drops in mileage from the date of purchase. no oil leaks etc

For improvement I think pulsars need a redesign with 4V Engine and new chassis. Although current setup performs great but its too old now.

Liked the way, Rajiv Bajaj explained the rationale behind going with KTM and what exactly they are expecting to gain from it. And the fact that the new platform developed for KTM is fully done by Bajaj in Pune is worth taking note.
Surely, Bajaj is going to go places with this man on top.

Well said! They should concentrate on increasing their quality!

Yes, the rvms are downright useless. Also India's so called no.1 sportsbike has to be pleaded to lean into corners.
P.s On the RVM note, HH still cant the plastics right on Zma, Glamour etc. Early Unicorns had severe front fairing rattle and tail panel cracking issues. That (plastic panels)is one place Bajaj I feel has been better till the 220 came with quarter fairing.

ksameer, great to know your bike is in good shape. But a few more years and see the increase in the amount of TLC that goes into maintaining a Bajaj bike. Yes the spares are cheap and much easier to source than other brands, but you cant put enough of a price tag on the time and trouble taken.

Agreed that Bajaj really forced the rest of pack to up the game when it came to equipment levels. I have great respect for the fact that from the first batch of pulsars Disc brakes were a standard fitment while it was a costly extra on its HH counterpart. But technology? They still come with a twin shock set up and an insipid dual cradle frame.

Most importantly, the engines though they retain their power show sharp decline in refinement and smoothness over the years. The new ones have improved but only time will tell if they will be consistent.

As for Rajiv Bajaj, this is the same guy who announced exit from 100cc and ate his words after a while! He also claimed at a point that Bajaj bikes did not need to prove themselves on the track.

Oh boy.. No quality and still people buying it more than any other bike.

Quality is better and thats why people are buying it.

Is that a prediction for Ksameer from your side seriously, if sameer takes care of the regular maintenance, you will have to eat your words after few more years (just like Rajiv Bajaj did with 100cc segment prediction).

Even the Karizma still comes with twin shock set-up!! But Bajaj has already shown what's in store for Pulsar with 135LS, which by the way doesn't make you plead at corners, instead it pleads you for more such corners.

Agreed, that Pulsar now shows it's age due to decade old chasis/engine/suspension setup, which needs to be addressed. I'm guessing that the next upgrade coming up will certainly fill the gaps in those areas.

All in all, I like Bajaj for what they did with Pulsar, if you look back Unicorn was launched in 2004/05, even after 6 years with most people going blah-blah on it's quality, engine and excellent reviews..look at the market share managed by Unicorn!! It's amazing that Bajaj still maintains 50% with just one brand against so much competition in this segment.

vrugonnab, I cant predict for ksameer,nor would I. I am just saying that 2 years is too short a period to gauge.
As for eating my words, I would only be happy to see Bajaj prove me wrong. I still have a 7+ year old Pulsar that I love
But what I am saying is though the engine refinement has improved, it has not really come much farther from 2007.
Pulsar sells, no doubt. But what is popular does not mean it is the best product of the lot.
Great to know that p135 devours corners effortlessly, but I couldnt say the same about their flagship, the p220. Its got amazing grunt, but very dull handling.

Quality is better than what?Like i said,they must have improved compared to their older models but they still lag behind compared to their competitors.

Anyway i hope Mr.Bajaj sticks to his words.

Honda has always been a late comer in most cases. One would always like to buy a bike with good gadgetary unless it has an unusual ability like awesome mileage (D150), low price (SZR) or high performance (N250). The unicorn & a few good bikes donot have these & hence the lag in the sales.
One brand??? OMG. Well just FYI that so called one brand has 4 sub brands & the other has 3.

Just tell me how many competitors are there (in the engine segment range) for the P180, P135 & P220?? AFAIK the 135 has no competitors (remember, its a four valve), the 180 has only A180 which has its set of probs like vibs, short bike etc. The 220 has only ZMA & ZMR. The former having spares issue & the latter being very pricey.

Please dont take any offence. Just a small friendly discussion.

Dude dont take me in a wrong way but more the moolah more the abilities. The P220 was designed to be fastest & NOT for corners. Afterall it comes at a very low price. But still it manages to do good around corners (obviously after pleading it)

Completely agree with you, but even Bajaj itself was a late comer in 150cc category and literally wiped out CBZ based on pricing/performance equation. That to me, was excpetional, coz till then Bajaj was never known for bikes. Ya.. P220, 180 & recently launched 135LS doesn't have much competition. But P150 is the one targetted by good number of bikes.. 4 from Honda stables, and one each from others!! still it manages to hold on to it's market share.

The CBZ at that time was in a completely new segment (150cc) & hence it found success. While after its success many others focused on performance & hence the competition increased. The pulsar being the second in line did had its share of probs in the initial but later it started improving & the second version found success (not like that the first version failed but the second ver. was having a better success & reliability) as many were looking an alternative to the CBZ. The CBZ was later stopped to create room for other vehicles from HH stable in that segment & for a few upgrades.

The P150 found success because of the people's mindset that the most common bike should be best. The P150 was also having a good mileage to power ratio, cheaper price (interms of spares too), gadgetary & the main reason is it being the first in virtually everything. Like it was the first to introduce digi console. While the tubelight of other bike manufacturers blinked bajaj had gone miles ahead. Even now by introducing the P135LS it has proved that other manufacturers just know to think & bajaj knows to do it practically. The 3 major japs knew this 4 valve tech but still none had tried to make an experiment by launching it in the indian market while having all the resources they needed. But bajaj had dared to do it (4 valve is a new tech for bajaj). Though yamaha was the first one to introduce 4 valve tech, it priced the bike far high above the common man with that extra tech & never bothered to launch something with good performance & cheaper price. But bajaj made it possible. This was the reason that bajaj found success.

Spot on buddy, Japs were slow and kind of conservative in India. Where as, Bajaj was constantly trying something, they failed in lot of their attempts, but never gave up trying. Even TVS is trying hard.. look at RTR 180 ABS, I really admire Bajaj & TVS for standing upto Japs, in many other countries japs have literally wiped out competition.

TVS trying hard.. They can't think beyond 180cc

Basically if you see most of the people buy a bike due the specialty they see in the bike and not in Brand name.

Like if yamaha is so good why not buy SZR. But people won't coz they need better looks in FZ or R15. Same with all brands.

ahhh Bajaj quality arguments... I love such threads... Thats what made me start posting on this forum...

Personally been using pulsars since 03... Haven't gone through any serious problems yet... Obviously one reason is because I maintain my bikes so well as I love them no end...

Here is a link to my very first post on this forum



Thats what I respect that company for... They made serious attempts and now have found their feet and make much fewer mistakes...


Do not scare him for no reason... If he takes good care there will be no issues... Never take our bike for gratned...

I disagree... people have this notion that just because it is a Bajaj we don't need to maintain it.... My engine even after 3.5 years and clocking over 50k kms. has no heating issues no mileage issues not even gear change issues...? Reason? timely servicing, oil changes (I use mobil 1) and proper riding (that doesn't mean I do not ride hard... I do stress my engine a lot.... ) Even the SVC guys are a fan of my bike... My bike now commands special attention...

Happens dude... Atleast he accepts...



sorry OT: hey why did u change ur pic... I liked that pic...