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  • #16
    Plus, you don't usually use carbon fibre on engine body, which is the chassis' main part here.
    Sorry sir, that patent image has got little to do with it having a CF chassis.
    CF chassis has been around for a while now. While it may be expensive on a 'street' bike, it not being there as 'usual' has got little impact on where its being used.
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    • #17
      Originally posted by satyenpoojary View Post
      Sorry sir, that patent image has got little to do with it having a CF chassis.
      CF chassis has been around for a while now. While it may be expensive on a 'street' bike, it not being there as 'usual' has got little impact on where its being used.
      My point putting the image was only to understand the rigidity of the new frame design, as I mentioned clearly in my post. Like you said, this has nothing to do with frame being CF or Alu.

      Otherwise, yes, CF has been used on road bikes and will continue to be used... Maybe a future 1199R might have it, who knows?
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      • #18
        Ah! Ok! Its easy to misread that post.

        Nevertheless, doesnt street bikes go wSbk and not GP?
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        • #19
          this is a nice discussion emerging here,

          one more thing, suppose engine as a component has a rigidity= X
          and aluminium chasis has a rigidity of = Y

          so if we use engine as a stressed member of frame, the central part of the bike has a rigidity = X

          and if we use engine mounted on aluminium chasis then the combined rigidity of central part of bike / frame = X+Y

          is this wrong?
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          • #20
            Originally posted by princesirohi View Post
            this is a nice discussion emerging here,

            one more thing, suppose engine as a component has a rigidity= X
            and aluminium chasis has a rigidity of = Y

            so if we use engine as a stressed member of frame, the central part of the bike has a rigidity = X

            and if we use engine mounted on aluminium chasis then the combined rigidity of central part of bike / frame = X+Y

            is this wrong?
            Its not that easy, we can't just add the two and decide the regidity.

            it actually depends on the way you are connecting the two. In what orientation, and how much overlapping takes place at the joints.
            apart from that since a bike is more sensitive structure than a car, the rigidity figures also come from the weight distribution.
            how much weight at front, rear and middle.

            but for a conclusion in your message above, X and Y together will add to the regidity, but not in just X+Y fashion

            More over the beauty of the Ducatis that I like is that though the older engines were less powerfull in terms engine power, the less weight and losses upto the rear wheel actually made them match/faster then their rivals

            They still have same enginerring characteristics reflecting from their current models because of which Ducati is still a winning machine in WSBK.
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            • #21
              Originally posted by R-series View Post
              Its not that easy, we can't just add the two and decide the regidity.

              it actually depends on the way you are connecting the two. In what orientation, and how much overlapping takes place at the joints.
              apart from that since a bike is more sensitive structure than a car, the rigidity figures also come from the weight distribution.
              how much weight at front, rear and middle.

              but for a conclusion in your message above, X and Y together will add to the regidity, but not in just X+Y fashion

              More over the beauty of the Ducatis that I like is that though the older engines were less powerfull in terms engine power, the less weight and losses upto the rear wheel actually made them match/faster then their rivals

              They still have same enginerring characteristics reflecting from their current models because of which Ducati is still a winning machine in WSBK.
              +1

              Its almost like saying a 9 inch Screw weilded to a Solid Iron cylinder of 15KG and being balanced on the screws end OR on the base of the cylinder will carry the rigidity of the Cylinder
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              • #22
                i hope it gives the Beamer a run for its money or even surpass it!
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                • #23
                  Originally posted by RanjithMN View Post
                  i hope it gives the Beamer a run for its money or even surpass it!
                  I am pretty sure that beemer will still remain the best VFM there is(excluding india).Ducati is going to cost a bomb.That is the only thing which is going to go against the panigale(that name is going to take a little getting used to).
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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Ghost11 View Post
                    I am pretty sure that beemer will still remain the best VFM there is(excluding india).Ducati is going to cost a bomb.That is the only thing which is going to go against the panigale(that name is going to take a little getting used to).
                    I agree, not doubts on that, but you see the there is a reason why its called he ferrari of bikes. The extra price will have pretty new inovations and features with it.
                    More over, Ducati is for those who need a Ducati, nothing satisfies them apart from a Ducati. These guys don't just want a Bike, they want a Ducati.
                    and I'm sure few thousand $ won't stop a die hard ducati fan from picking this..includes me
                    Just because you haven't seen it doesnt mean its impossible...expect the unexpected.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by R-series View Post
                      but for a conclusion in your message above, X and Y together will add to the regidity, but not in just X+Y fashion
                      thats the point i was trying to convey, all i meant was that X + Y is always greater than X alone.




                      Originally posted by satyenpoojary View Post
                      +1

                      Its almost like saying a 9 inch Screw weilded to a Solid Iron cylinder of 15KG and being balanced on the screws end OR on the base of the cylinder will carry the rigidity of the Cylinder
                      ofcourse 9 inch screws can balance a lot more then just a cylinder...
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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by R-series View Post
                        I agree, not doubts on that, but you see the there is a reason why its called he ferrari of bikes. The extra price will have pretty new inovations and features with it.
                        More over, Ducati is for those who need a Ducati, nothing satisfies them apart from a Ducati. These guys don't just want a Bike, they want a Ducati.
                        and I'm sure few thousand $ won't stop a die hard ducati fan from picking this..includes me
                        Sorry saar... But that tag belongs to the Augustas...
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                        • #27
                          Basically, frame rigidity can be a factor of frame thickness (at the thin-most points), the material strength, and its flexibility.

                          @ Prince: X+Y might make it rigid enough, but heavier & wider too. So, why not use a fatter "X" component alone only? A Strong material, which is light too, with negligible flex is what engineers hunt.


                          I remember when Desmosedici RR specs were released in 2007, it's chassis had a torsional rigidity of 4250 NM/degree, compared to 2300 NM/degree (or something) for 1098.
                          Although this chassis managed to be lighter than 1098's chassis, despite more rigidity (due to alloy involved probably), the swingarm had to be made 10% heavier for about 35% more stiffness.
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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Samarth 619 View Post
                            Basically, frame rigidity can be a factor of frame thickness (at the thin-most points), the material strength, and its flexibility.

                            @ Prince: X+Y might make it rigid enough, but heavier & wider too. So, why not use a fatter "X" component alone only? A Strong material, which is light too, with negligible flex is what engineers hunt.

                            ya, i know that, i was just saying that X + Y will be more rigid than X alone.

                            i agree to the point mentioned by you above, i was only wondering - in doing so- whether- ducati has screwed the handling of bike along with lesser feedback

                            I remember when Desmosedici RR specs were released in 2007, it's chassis had a torsional rigidity of 4250 NM/degree, compared to 2300 NM/degree (or something) for 1098.
                            Although this chassis managed to be lighter than 1098's chassis, despite more rigidity (due to alloy involved probably), the swingarm had to be made 10% heavier for about 35% more stiffness.
                            thats some good information ...man. can you tell us the stiffness of current yamaha R1 or M1 or factory honda bikes in motogp.
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                            • #29
                              Cosuld someone please explain the factors affecting the frame rigidity??

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by j4zb4 View Post
                                Sorry saar... But that tag belongs to the Augustas...
                                Check again, its still Ducati.
                                Agustas are anyway better than Ducati on street or on track, but the reason why its called Ferrari of Motorcycles is that they share a lot of technical expertiese which each other being located at the same place of the town Bologna, Italy and have a very good relation among themselves.

                                That's the reason that once ducati use to use the "prancing horse" are their logo, but due to ferrari fame, they change their logo.
                                More over there are loads of similarities between ducati and ferrari than ferrari and MV

                                You can cross check this on google.
                                Last edited by R-series; 09-23-2011, 04:21 PM.
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