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Am I reading it right? 370kph on the main straights at Mugello.

That beats the fastest record set by any MotoGP bike ever (Dani Pedrosa: 349.xx kph, same stretch), if I am not wrong?

Panigale is too fast to believe.

You are reading it right friend. And the previous was by Pedrosa on his Honda RC212V, back in 2008.

Okay, just googled before your post. It was 2009, Mugello. Just for info.

But 370kph on a street-bike. Scarcely believe it!

How much would a 'Busa or S1000RR do without the limiter? 320-325KPH, I guess?

Thanks for the correction friend! Don't know about Busa but S1000RR factory (used by Leon Haslam in WSBK) has reached a maximum of 324 KPH. 8 KPH less than the Biaggi's RSV4 factory...

So we can imagine about 370KPH...

^^ Not much of a WSBK follower but your post says it all. 324+8=332kph.

A machine capable of doing 370kph..What would be it like?

Yet to be seen, how BMW and other counterparts reply to this. 400kph may be?

Every sports with a two wheel and a motor in between and I follow it religiously

Moreover, BMW has ruled this category for quite a while and I don't think that they have some answers to the Duke as of yet. May be in next 2-3 years with 400 KPH

thats some breathtaking news....awesome...anybody had any pics.

Just for representation, we can use this artist's impression.

The tail to me is more from the RSV4

Are you sure about it? Why no other source on the internet has the same info about the top speed? This is what MCN had to say on the matter:

The new Ducati 1199 Pangiale superbike boasts 195bhp and 176kg weight in road trim – WET.

These are staggering figures from a 1200cc twin and go a long way toward justifying Ducati's ditching of traditional belts on the engine and steel trellis on the chassis.

The all-new engine features the most radically oversquare engine yet (KTM RC8-R: 105mm, Panigale: 112mm), gear/chain-driven cams, and the chassis is an aluminium front monocoque.

The spec leak comes from an American Ducati dealership, reported by HFL. You can see how the bike's figures stack up to rivals here.


Source: Ducati 1199 Panigale's staggering power and weight figures leak - | Motorbike reviews | Latest Bike Videos | MCN


Comparison to rivals:




My Comments: I can't believe it. The 2 cylinder Panigale has f***** up its rivals like anything, including the inline 4's, if the figures are true!

And I always believed that the amazing GP7 chassis is good enough to dump the steel trellis, but Xbhp members were doubting me. My reasons were:

1. This new chassis uses engine as a frame mediator. Can you believe anything giving more rigidity than the strong engine body??
This rigidity gives us great handling.
2. Tremendous Weight saving, lower width & other benefits.

This bike will multiply the legendary name of Ducati. If everything goes fine.

^^ those are some mouth watering figures .....

can u tell us what is GP7 chasis, is it carbon fibre or aluminium ??

it gives more rigidity only in mid section part, not sure about other parts. and this rigidity combined with some other ducati path breaking things like carbon fibre, monocoque chasis, airbox frame, etc are giving rossi some sleepless nights , so can't tell if it gives better or worse handling. i am not against it, just raised my doubts, if anything it is certainly weight reducing and pathbreaking.

the trelis frame looks sexy but from technical point- with so many small section welded together- no two bikes will be exactly same, they will be almost same but not exactly same because it is very difficult and almost impossible to fabricate similar welds at all the points on chasis -even with mechanised welding.

anyway i think i have drifted away from the subject, but, sometimes this question creeps in my mind, are ducati bikes little less in handling compared to honda and yamahas -- specially after witnessing all sort of problems in motogp.

is it that- in search of improving the bike to a level- beyond the reach of rivals- ducati has drifted so much ofcourse that some aspects of ducati bikes are f***ed up in an irreversible way.

my personal opinion, i was just thinking aloud.

@ Prince: Bro, GP7 chassis was Carbon Fibre, but Panigale's aluminium. Carbon fibre would be too costly for a road bike. Plus, you don't usually use carbon fibre on engine body, which is the chassis' main part here.
Rigidity is evenly spread as far as possible. See this Patent image:



As far as MotoGP is concerned, its based on prototype engines. Prototype and Street machines are a world apart. And results in motoGP are largely dictated by rider psych, team decisions, competition, getting the setup right, etc.
So, a team's rider coming 10th may only be 3-4 seconds behind the winner, and it doesn't tell much about the company's potential with streetbikes, at all.

Take Kawasaki- Marvellous racing replica bikes like ZX6R, ZX 10R, but what a bad MotoGP Career- just some 3-5 podiums or so all these years, right?

Take BMW- S1000RR is the bike you would love. But were they in MotoGP ever?

I feel Rossi's problems are more due to a different racing style to what is required on a Ducati. Then, he experiments with new chassis' and setups, which might work, or not. Sometimes, even Hayden outperforms him.

I don't think Ducati's road bikes have any handling problem. In fact, they use high end suspension and other parts whenever possible, and they're generally better, responsive and agile too.