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  • #16
    Originally posted by yellowspunk View Post
    lol why should they have 220cc? true the performance, handling, weight part but dont think RTRs are any cheaper than other bikes.
    Just guessing. That' why I said "if"...

    fairing half or full contributes to aerodynamics. no fairing contributes nothing. and have you tried lifting the fairing of a P220 or zma?
    Half Fairing (like P220, Karizma) and Biking fairing (like P/A 180) are almost equal at aerodynamics. In fact, I suspect the bikini one to be more aerodynamic given that these half's are so flatly shaped (not talking in general).

    But anyways, we don't have much naked bikes anyways. Some Enfields, FZ16 and that's it.

    The "vibrations" of the Apache RTR is something which is blown out of proportion at xBhp. I have never come across any normal guy/biker who rejects the Apache RTR becuase of it vibrations.
    True that its an overrated problem but the competition is so hard, with the Japanese specially.
    When I test rode both of them, 160 had more notably more vibes and they were annoying for a guy on P180 UG3!

    But yes, RTR has bigger problems like riding position with tall guys, not the fastest Indian yet, stock tyres, cost of RTR-ABS (which is justified, but we the Indians compare...), etc.
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    • #17
      Originally posted by payeng View Post
      But I have yet to personally meet a biker/customer who has specifically rejected the RTR because of its vibrations.

      But hey, that's me.


      yes nobody rejects it. its a flimsy ground to reject a bike. it has alot of other good qualities but its there. which bike doesnt have its own "vibes" issue.
      Regardless, Life shall go on.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by payeng View Post
        But I have yet to personally meet a biker/customer who has specifically rejected the RTR because of its vibrations.

        But hey, that's me.


        meet me ! rtr owner fed up with vibes especially on rear passenger footpegs and handlebars . on short city commuting its ok but on longer rides hands really get tingly . pillions also keep complaing how 100 cc bikes have less vibes . the fact that vibes happen at 55-70 which is the most used speed range also is bad .

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Samarth 619 View Post
          Half Fairing (like P220, Karizma) and Biking fairing (like P/A 180) are almost equal at aerodynamics. In fact, I suspect the bikini one to be more aerodynamic given that these half's are so flatly shaped (not talking in general).

          But anyways, we don't have much naked bikes anyways. Some Enfields, FZ16 and that's it.

          am sorry but you are wrong. ride a fz or p180 or rtr at 100 and zma or p220 at 100. you will know the difference. I owned a fz before and a P220 now. the fairing is such a boon during touring.

          bikini fairings are not fairings per se. and almost all our bikes are naked bikes. excepting a few.
          Regardless, Life shall go on.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by payeng View Post
            The "vibrations" of the Apache RTR is something which is blown out of proportion at xBhp.

            I have never come across any normal guy/biker who rejects the Apache RTR becuase of it vibrations.


            +1
            Originally posted by yellowspunk View Post
            its not blown out of proportion. a 18yr old guy planning his first bike TDs a honda, a yamaha, a bajaj and tvs. what do you think his opinion on vibes would be? we just get used to our bikes. put a rtr guy in a honda or a honda guy in a rtr or for that matter a old rtr,cbr,pulsar guy in a new rtr,cbr,pulsar or vice versa and they will all go !
            I bought my apache on july 1st 2010 and joined xbhp somewhere between march and may 2011...
            Until i joined xbhp, i never heard any of my friends complain about the mysterious vibrations problem, i personally liked the fz but went for A180 for its power and didnt find any difference between how my friends fz vibrates and how my bike vibrates, even the fz owners agrees to that.

            The vibration problem is indeed blown out of proportion, this problem is imilar to the pulsars supposedly bad quality problem... it all depends upon the nut that connects the saddle to the handlebar, if not maintained properly, even a ninja/ducati will vibrate
            Apache 180

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Samarth 619 View Post
              But yes, RTR has bigger problems like

              riding position with tall guys,

              not the fastest Indian yet..

              etc.

              Exactly, more than the vibrations to the "common public" the RTR has issues with cramped riding position for tall/well built guys (but that also gives the Apache RTR a USP as a compact sporty bike)..

              ..and even with all the promotion of "Racing DNA", somehow the in the minds of customers "outside xBhp", image associated with the Apache RTR brand is not that strong as compared to the Pulsar (thanks to the initial "Definitely Male" image and the very recent P220 "fastest Indian" Image) or the Yamaha R15 (the Racing Instinct machine).



              Last edited by payeng; 11-06-2011, 09:08 PM.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by yellowspunk View Post
                am sorry but you are wrong. ride a fz or p180 or rtr at 100 and zma or p220 at 100. you will know the difference. I owned a fz before and a P220 now. the fairing is such a boon during touring.

                bikini fairings are not fairings per se. and almost all our bikes are naked bikes. excepting a few.
                Windblast-wise, yes, you're right that 220 will fare better than FZ.

                BUT, I really think that Windblast comfort AND Performance from Aerodynamics are 2 different things. Ok, P220F might save you some windblast, but what about performance compared to a bikini fairing?

                Or in other words, do you want to say that P220 naked is less performing than P220F? I don't think so.

                And secondly, you show that FZ(naked) and P180(bikini fairing) are the same category in Aerodynamics? Sure?
                Last edited by Samarth 619; 11-06-2011, 05:22 PM.
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                • #23
                  Originally posted by payeng View Post
                  The "vibrations" of the Apache RTR is something which is blown out of proportion at xBhp.

                  I have never come across any normal guy/biker who rejects the Apache RTR becuase of it vibrations.
                  Originally posted by saipranav View Post
                  +1
                  didnt find any difference between how my friends fz vibrates and how my bike vibrates, even the fz owners agrees to that.

                  The vibration problem is indeed blown out of proportion, this problem is imilar to the pulsars supposedly bad quality problem... it all depends upon the nut that connects the saddle to the handlebar, if not maintained properly, even a ninja/ducati will vibrate
                  ^^ +1 to above..
                  As a RTR 180-ABS owner done 1400Kms, vibrations are not an issue. Previously I had a Yamaha Libero and I don't find RTR vibrating more than the Yammie.

                  The USP of RTR are: excellent throttle response, exhaust note, brakes,etc., and for anyone buying Apache vibration is never a problem.
                  Grip. Twist. Ride-with Menacingly FAST Apache 180 ABS!
                  TVS Apache 180 ABS (Sep 2011-)
                  Yamaha Libero LX (Feb 2006-Sep 2011) sold


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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by saipranav View Post
                    +1


                    I bought my apache on july 1st 2010 and joined xbhp somewhere between march and may 2011...
                    Until i joined xbhp, i never heard any of my friends complain about the mysterious vibrations problem, i personally liked the fz but went for A180 for its power and didnt find any difference between how my friends fz vibrates and how my bike vibrates, even the fz owners agrees to that.

                    The vibration problem is indeed blown out of proportion, this problem is imilar to the pulsars supposedly bad quality problem... it all depends upon the nut that connects the saddle to the handlebar, if not maintained properly, even a ninja/ducati will vibrate
                    That is why i said this "or for that matter a old rtr,cbr,pulsar guy in a new rtr,cbr,pulsar or vice versa and they will all go "


                    Originally posted by Samarth 619 View Post
                    Windblast-wise, yes, you're right that 220 will fare better than FZ.

                    BUT, I really think that Windblast comfort AND Performance from Aerodynamics are 2 different things. Ok, P220F might save you some windblast, but what about performance compared to a bikini fairing?

                    Or in other words, do you want to say that P220 naked is less performing than P220F? I don't think so.

                    And secondly, you show that FZ(naked) and P180(bikini fairing) are the same category in Aerodynamics? Sure?
                    How is comfort and performance not related to aerodynamics? what else is aerodynamics for in a bike? Do you understand what is aerodynamics? So doing 250kmph on a R1 without fairing would be as comfortable as a faired R1 and you would yield better performance cause of loss of weight? what about the drag your body generates as speed increases? at 100kmph it doesnt make much of a difference whether you ride a naked or semi or fully faired bike.. but above 100kmph you will see their benefits.

                    Yes P180, FZ16, RTR, Discover, Splendour etc etc are all naked bikes. if you call the P180 a faired bike then even a ducati monster, a true blue naked, is a faired bike. lol if it doesnt protect you from the wind it doesnt make any difference whatsoever.


                    This is going off topic. I shall stop here. Hope this link helps. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorcycle_fairing
                    Last edited by yellowspunk; 11-07-2011, 02:56 AM. Reason: closing topic.
                    Regardless, Life shall go on.

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                    • #25
                      I want Tvs to make such refined machine that even Honda & Yamaha become shy of their Bikes...Come on TVS...show your technology to the World..
                      Don't Honk Unnecessarily

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Satyamzma View Post
                        I want Tvs to make such refined machine that even Honda & Yamaha become shy of their Bikes...Come on TVS...show your technology to the World..
                        Would you then buy a TVS then?



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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by payeng View Post
                          Would you then buy a TVS then?


                          hmmm That's a tricky Question my Friend
                          Don't Honk Unnecessarily

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Satyamzma View Post
                            hmmm That's a tricky Question my Friend
                            I know the answer.. and TVS knows it too.
                            In that case, why should TVS bother?



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                            • #29
                              TVS bikes actually used to be very refined. My 2004 Fiero F2 with 58K kms. on the odo still vibrates less than an RTR. Really donno why!
                              Quench my thirst with gasoline!

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Sarvajit View Post
                                TVS bikes actually used to be very refined. My 2004 Fiero F2 with 58K kms. on the odo still vibrates less than an RTR. Really donno why!
                                The Fiero was a Suzuki design.. it had a long stroke engine.. and like a typical Suzuki engine it was butter smooth.

                                The Apache RTR although based on that same engine casing, is a TVS developed engine.. it has a short stroke engine.

                                In the transformation from the Fiero to Apache, the engine lost its smoothness.


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