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Headlamp is clearly inspired from pulsar.
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+1, especially the side profile, reminds me of "imitation is the best compliment".Originally posted by lockhrt999 View PostLet's bring down the monster of corruption to it's knees.. please visit http://ipaidabribe.com/Comment
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Happen to visit the TVS facility in Mysore. The model is already in production. Will be in showrooms soon. Personally I dint like the way it looks, but the official said they upgraded the model based on market feedback, I guess the market is pulsar !
I dont know how these guys got the pictures, I couldnt take my mobile inside since it had a camera.
The official there said they are not concentrating on the above 200cc segment as the volumes are really low, they will be focusing on the below 200cc segment only. The 150cc is the fastest growing and they have the 160 and for the 200cc they have the 180cc which he claimed is better than P220 or KTM200. Though it could be his personal opinion on the company policy. The facility I visited is just production, R&D is in Hosur. When I visited the R&D almost a year ago they said they were working on a above 200cc bike, but no news of that yet.
I gave the guy a earful on the design and engine capacity and blah but obviously he dint care or he cant do anything with the feedback.
Sad to see TVS go the Hero way.Last edited by yellowspunk; 04-22-2012, 01:22 PM.Regardless, Life shall go on.Comment
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It is this arrogance that has kicked them out from the 3rd spot, another couple of years and they will be kicked out of the top 5 position. TVS is finishing its near, they will only rule the MOPED sales.Originally posted by yellowspunk View PostHappen to visit the TVS facility in Mysore. The model is already in production. Will be in showrooms soon. Personally I dint like the way it looks, but the official said they upgraded the model based on market feedback, I guess the market is pulsar !
I dont know how these guys got the pictures, I couldnt take my mobile inside since it had a camera.
The official there said they are not concentrating on the above 200cc segment as the volumes are really low, they will be focusing on the below 200cc segment only. The 150cc is the fastest growing and they have the 160 and for the 200cc they have the 180cc which he claimed is better than P220 or KTM200. Though it could be his personal opinion on the company policy. The facility I visited is just production, R&D is in Hosur. When I visited the R&D almost a year ago they said they were working on a above 200cc bike, but no news of that yet.
I gave the guy a earful on the design and engine capacity and blah but obviously he dint care or he cant do anything with the feedback.
Sad to see TVS go the Hero way.
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All they need is to take a look at the Comments/Brickbats that Apache RTR "Fans" are posting on the Fanpage wall.Originally posted by yellowspunk View PostHappen to visit the TVS facility in Mysore. The model is already in production. Will be in showrooms soon. Personally I dint like the way it looks, but the official said they upgraded the model based on market feedback, I guess the market is pulsar !
Volumes might be comparitively low, but get the product right and the returns are much more profitable..Originally posted by yellowspunk View Post
..and yes it can do wonders to the brand in the eyes of the commuters who might not buy the 200+ cc bike.
Originally posted by yellowspunk View Post
Yeah right..!! Lets just forget the comment made to the 200 Duke.
But what more could possibly the 160/180 duo accomplish against the Next Gen Pulsars (starting with the P200NS) than that they have accomplised against the "Current Gen Pulsars"..??
Not his fault actually, he was just doing his job.. product/branding decisions are probably made/changed by guys on a much higher paygrade than that guy you spoke to.Originally posted by yellowspunk View Post
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You know, i won a brand new RTR 180 ABS last month in a facebook contest and there was a question in that quiz as "what do you expect from TVS"
Among a few lines i told them "Id love to be part of their R&D someday and help build locally made indigenous bikes that can go toe to toe with the Foreign maals". I actually thought that line somehow inspired them to pick me as the winner.
Now i don't see that thing happening since TVS just fell two level down on my priority list with this horrible work of theirs.
It would take me less than 3 weeks(if i were working for TVS) to come up with a better design in 3d apps on the existing frame without altering the weight or the design flow of the older RTR.Got a $5 head? Get a $5 helmet.Comment
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Originally posted by Enthusiastic View PostIts not in the segment of these bikes. 160 would compete with the 150cc bikes (barring R15 ofcourse) and 180 would compete with the P180.
I disagree with the bold parts. Firstly the UG1, UG2 etc. were always positive changes and they bettered the bike not only aesthetically but also in the engine dept. They added many features subsequently (digi speedo, DTSi, split handlebars, better alloys, better colors) with power bump and the changes were always appreciated but this one is just south pole in comparison.
Also R15 V2 new colors provide good aesthetic looks. The Pulsar speedlines were also better in looks than the older versions and Bajaj was no vocal about it like TVS is now. And this is a negative change which spoilt everyones mood.
Yes you may say after it is revealed that they are just pilot lamps but the ways TVS showcased it anyone would take it for a dual lamps. Now it can't be if we dont expect just anything out of TVS. What so big about pilot lamps in this era that TVS is being so vocal about it. Complete stupidity and fooling the fans.
Yes it looks disproportionate. It kinda looks like a bigger flame to me. The tank scoops are a direct put on from the Flame. The front fender coloring and 3d logo of 180 takes inspirations from Pulsar 200NS. The Indian Flag logo is a copy from Ducati bikes. Also the front tank scoop and the headlight look weired. Coloring is unimpressive. The hyperedge TVS stickers were so impressive. Much better than this one.
V True.ApacheOriginally posted by antz.bin View Post
RTR
160 with design upgrade with the air scoops
160 with FI
160 with rear discs
180
Hyperedge - Which has a much smoother engine
180 with ABS
Are you sure these are useless upgrades?
And within this upgrades theres a lot of nifty little changes that happened int he bike. Ask a TVS owner maybe, they would say.
To cite some
the first generation RTRs and the last generation RTR before the hyperedge has a lot of internal changes. Right from the alloy being used in the drain nut base plate, to small design changes and parts inside the crank case.
And here you go,
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I had mentioned that it were pilot lamps RIGHT after the initial scoops pictures surfaced.... The new LEDs are probably thier biggest design change (which is perhaps why they even teased it with this graphic design illustration)
PS: Karizma was the first bike to have a monogram and not P200NS
PPS: Ofcourse the flag is a ducati ripoff, does that make it bad? The clutch and disk brake cable layout from Pulsars are a ducati ripoff does that make them bad? NO!
I agree on the disproptionate build despite being a RTR fan, I hate the design change. Its a clear rip off to take on the FZ with its BIG bulky tank. Probably even the P200NS is.
But the rest of the subtle changes are pretty neat. Especially the split footpegs. I think these would probably help in dampening the vibes too :P
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@satyenpoojary - my cousin had bought a hyperedge last year , n i have the pre -hyper rtr . engine feels the same not smoother AT ALL . the 160 with fi was a big letdown with injector failures and fuel pump failures plaquing LOTS of owners at xbhp and outside . not to mention the their speedo consoles that for years having being going kaput ........ i myself have changed mine twice . i thing i like is that hopefully with new design the rear footpegs wont vibrate which was a big embarrasment and makes pillion ride quite uncomfortable . and the 180 and 180 abs are different varients , not an upgrade
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^Yup, I have the first generation RTR *160* too. The list was just about what all changes happened in the product lifecycle.... When the Hyperedge was launched, I got a test ride for a fair distance. We were told that the engine is now compliant to the more stringent pollution norms, and so we tested it out. Not just me but my other friends who have RTR found it to be much more smoother.Super CommuTOURer� - Talk less, Ride more
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OMGOriginally posted by ryan.virgo View PostInspired by Suzuki Zeus !!!!!!!
Even Zeus has 2 wheels, Seat, head lamp,petrol tank and a tail light , OMG new apache is a total Rip off !!!
No Hyper edge is infact a lot smoother.Originally posted by Jeanie View Post
I can cruise around easily in 60-70s all day which is where most of the previous bikes had vib issues.site:xbhp.com keyword -> Google this to dig up stuff in xbhp fasterComment
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After your previous post on the same thread, How achaanakly (==suddenly) RTR180 became an RTR160 incremental upgrade? Did anyone here count the 220Fi/200NS as an incremental upgrade of the P150?Originally posted by satyenpoojary View Post
As for RTR160 Rear Disc, it was never a new version. The Drum version wasn't discountinued. Same case as optional front disc on a Discover 125. Also AFAIK right now, there is no Rear Disc variant of the RTR160 for sale right now (Now available only on FI).
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There is nothing new in a manufacturer making nifty little changes in the motorcycle without being vocal about it. My P220 is different from Pads' / Vkavadia's P220 which is different from the speedlines P220. As an owner of the 1st Gen P220 carb, I can tell the difference. And when considering the differences, I am also talking about are internal, not sticker/paint jobs like speedlines.Originally posted by satyenpoojary View Post
If you ask a certain Aditya Bhelke, Payeng or Praful about the unpublicised changes that happened in the P220 Fi from 2007 to 2009, you wouldn't believe that BAL was making internal changes to the bike practically every second week
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yes rtrs have improved a lot when it comes to refinement but one of my personal experience as a pillion i found myself the original engine of the suzuki fiero more refined although it felt a little under powered than the apache 150 n rtr's units. it seems tvs was able to make more power out of that original suzuki based units but seem to have destroyed that engine's refinement and finesse in the process.hmm i guess some things have to be compromised for other things.Originally posted by kantu View PostOMG Even Zeus has 2 wheels, Seat, head lamp,petrol tank and a tail light , OMG new apache is a total Rip off !!!
No Hyper edge is infact a lot smoother.
I can cruise around easily in 60-70s all day which is where most of the previous bikes had vib issues.
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I found this pic on facebook i think it is a 180 without ABSComment
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You think its 180 ?? I think its hand made at home !!Originally posted by B.N.abhijit View Post
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