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Also nothing stops a chinese vendor to put a DOT branding and sell the helmet in India. Hence its important to research on the brands that you are buyingSuper CommuTOURer� - Talk less, Ride more
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Yes, DOT does do random testing. So do BSI, ECE and ISI. It is one of the most effective way to ensure that the testing is not a cherry picking exercise.Originally posted by dreamseller View PostI have been told that while Snell does random testing as Abhimanyu pointed out, DOT doesn't do that. Someone please comment on this.
Just to give you a example of the pass/ fail and recall list that DOT publishes here is a list of 2008 (note the number of reputed brands): https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...m30dEzh3E/editLast edited by abhimanyu31; 12-07-2011, 06:01 PM.Only a biker knows why a dog sticks his head out of a car window.
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I wasn't addressing legitimate buyers looking for non-ISI (or other-than-ISI) helmets. My point was that, assuming DOT and Snell were accepted by the police in lieu of the ISI sticker, it would be easy for a shady helmet manufacturer here in India to counterfeit DOT/Snell stickers. An unscrupulous dealer/manufacturer would fake the sticker to get their helmet exempted the same way the expensive lids are. An ordinary policeman at a checkpoint isn't going to know how to tell if it's real. The buyer isn't going to care, because they're buying the helmet as a cheap means to evade helmet checkpoints.Originally posted by abhimanyu31 View PostIt is not so easy. First of all, as a standard procedure DOT, SNELL and ECE (for that matter even ISI and other testing bodies) all carry out independent testing periodically by picking up samples of helmets from the market to check them for compliance (not asking the helmet manufacture to provide them or giving any intimation to them about the testing). Any helmets that fails are immediately brought to the manufacturers notice and are listed as helmets that have failed testing on their respective website. Also all these testing bodies come out with a annual report on which helmets fared how well. It make for some very interesting reading.
And yes many helmets have over the years failed these independent test after having achieved certification.
Secondly, the question of how do you know if a helmet is genuinely certified by any of these standards body? All you need to do is go to the respective standards body's website and the list of helmets that have passed the tests and approved is provided there. It just a matter of some homework to be done before you select your helmet (which unfortunately many don't do).
Also would like to point out that its individual helmets that are certified and not the manufacturer as a whole by these standards bodies.
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Again, since my point was that the average constable at a checkpoint isn't going to know that, it becomes an easy way to circumvent the restriction, assuming that DOT/Snell are considered equivalents to the ISI for purposes of not getting fined.Originally posted by dreamseller View PostJust one clarification on this: While IS:4151 is a sticker on the helmet, DOT is written beneath the outer lamination and thus, cannot be tampered.ATGATT: All The Gear, All The Time!
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Fakers Gonna Fake!
doesn't matter if it is ISI or SNELL or DOT or any thing else, there will always be people who will be making fake products or making fake claims or even making fake stickers for these accreditations! But this should not be reason for authorities to make them unacceptable. If one is to argue that it is easy to fake SNELL or DOT then why is that sun-glass/belts/caps dude on the footpath selling "original" ISI branded helmets for Rs.120 or ISI stickers for Rs.5?
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Now I have all the more reason to wish I owned a sticker shop. Making ISI mark stickers is not going to be tough.
But considering that they're doing it for our safety, they should also permit other safety standards apart from ISI.In today's world, quotes don't matter. Quotas do!
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CROSS isn't DOT certified,even if they say it is but LS2 is DOT/ECE certified.But most likely only meeting the bare minimum of DOT/ECE Standards.Originally posted by satyenpoojary View Post+1
And stop assuming that the popular jazzy looking helmets like the cross, Ls2 etc have valid DOT certificates.
What is the point in "having something at least" when it isnt going to help?Originally posted by princesirohi View Postdon't mock our country's ISI standards, its better to have something rather than nothing.
only thing is these need to be revised timely.
Originally posted by dreamseller View PostJust one clarification on this: While IS:4151 is a sticker on the helmet, DOT is written beneath the outer lamination and thus, cannot be tampered.
DOT/ECE standards are printed in the Liner or as a sticker on the inner shell too.
I have been told that while Snell does random testing as Abhimanyu pointed out, DOT doesn't do that. Someone please comment on this.
Yes,SNELL randomly picks helmets of the stores shelf to test.SNELL testing costs A LOT more too,hence only High-End helmets are tested for SNELL standards.A mid/Low end helmet from a reputed brand which is only ECE/DOT certified can also usually pass a SNELL test.Smoke rubber,not tobacco.
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Check for "E" logo under the chin strap such as E9 or so.That is ECE certification.Originally posted by eliksir View PostI have a LS2 dream. Not a vega branded. So no ISI logo. In fact, no logo of any sorts :/. Something like LS2 Dream HelmetsSmoke rubber,not tobacco.
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I paid a 110 INR fine last week.. Helmet : Daijya g-fit awake.. it was exciting.. I told the cop that this thing cost's more than every1's helmet (the 10-15 ppl that were paying the fine with me for wearing cricket helmet's i.e.
) moral - no more stopping @ nakabandi for cop paper check.. I'm not paying 2$'s again n again lol ~_~
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Where did you get fined? Under the JJ flyover or are they checking at other places too?Originally posted by DeepMahal View PostI paid a 110 INR fine last week.. Helmet : Daijya g-fit awake.. it was exciting.. I told the cop that this thing cost's more than every1's helmet (the 10-15 ppl that were paying the fine with me for wearing cricket helmet's i.e.
) moral - no more stopping @ nakabandi for cop paper check.. I'm not paying 2$'s again n again lol ~_~
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Arnt Daija local made copies of Marushin helmets?Originally posted by DeepMahal View PostI paid a 110 INR fine last week.. Helmet : Daijya g-fit awake.. it was exciting.. I told the cop that this thing cost's more than every1's helmet (the 10-15 ppl that were paying the fine with me for wearing cricket helmet's i.e.
) moral - no more stopping @ nakabandi for cop paper check.. I'm not paying 2$'s again n again lol ~_~
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Under the JJ flyover there are no checks, no signals, no nothing (.... in fact, haven't seen checking there for quite some time now). Now a days there isn't even a cop on the flyover to stop bikes.. just his bike parked behind the barricade.Originally posted by prateekm View PostWhere did you get fined? Under the JJ flyover or are they checking at other places too?------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Then where is this ISI logo checking taking place?Originally posted by Centaur View PostUnder the JJ flyover there are no checks, no signals, no nothing (.... in fact, haven't seen checking there for quite some time now). Now a days there isn't even a cop on the flyover to stop bikes.. just his bike parked behind the barricade.
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