Thanks Xpolice for taking Right Action at Right time ....

dreamseller are you serious for donating your kidney for a Bike

Agree with you, though not in totality. I cannot take the hills while commuting to work. I prefer, nay, need to take the city roads. And that is precisely what the CBR250R is to me: a superb commuter that makes me smile on every city road. And let's face it, that is what it was built for, and a fair bit of touring. So again, priorities And I don't think you were being brash; you were blurting out your opinion and that is what this forum is for.

By the way, like the fact that you have a GSX. Congrats!

'Twas a metaphor when talking about a Gixxer.
An Agusta F4? Hell yes!

Thanks...now, if I can only remember where I put that X and those 3 other cylinders.

Lol, Didn't I borrow one?

On a more serious note, CBR quality issues didn't have a say in the decision I feel.

HMSI (Honda Motor Scooter & India Ltd.), is all set to launch refreshed model of CBR250 by the end of February 2012. The new refreshed CBR250R will get tri-color scheme which HMSI showcased at Auto Expo 2012. With the new tri-color scheme CBR250R will become Rs.1,500 dearer compared to its earlier version.

Happy to know that CBR won bike of the hear Feeling proud to be a CBR owner

Hmmm...just finished reading all the pages. First of all, congratulations to HMSI. They deserved it. Regardless of what is being said, I believe all those heated and constructive discussion came due to the name CBR. Seeing a supersports CBR, it's natural for us to expect the faired 250R to perform like its elder brother. Had it been a naked and named CB250R, the current setup would have been appreciated by the lot. Peace out.

i want to know- what exactly is the meaning of "well sorted suspension" that CBR is lacking ?

experts plz explain.

From what I understand from this forum, when you do a high speed cornering, the suspensions are supposed to be stiff & not soft. Though CBR offers 5 point setting from softest to hardest, even the hardest is not as equal as R15's stiff suspension. They term it as bouncy.

Since I do not ride on track nor do even a cornering (just regular turns) on road, I find the soft suspension a huge benefit. Personally, I've experienced doing more than 80+ on broken roads where even the truck & Govt buses couldn't do more than 40.

well sorted suspension .... is something more than just hard and soft...atleast that is what some of the guys are saying.....searched the net but couldn't find anything.

^^^ Pls explain sorted suspension!!! HMSI says its Pro Link Suspension

strange..... lot of people crying about it and nobody coming forward to explain it properly....

somebody....for the sake of sharing knowledge.

^^^
"Sorted suspension" is a nice sounding phrase to say that your bike doesnt give you the jitters when you take a corner. It means you can lean into a curve without worrying too much about:

1> Oversteer or understeer: due to too much or too less suspension dive or a handle bar that is too loose or too tight.

2> Maintaining stability and composture: Too much suspension rebound doesnt take the bumps, road undulations and hard braking well and if this causes any bouncing mid corner and mid lean, thats damn scary.

3> Feeling like youre losing your grip on the road: I guess this also brings wheel alignment into play.

Overall: It means that you're not wrestling with the bike to keep your line during a corner.

Of course this is under the assumption that you know your cornering.

I've been living with a bad suspension for a few months now and I know the disease fairly well. But im no expert, its only what Ive managed to understand through theory and experience. Feel free to correct me.

A "sorted suspension" is a term relative to its purpose.

A formula 1 car has a minuscule stiff suspension travel optimized for smooth track surface. whereas a dirt bike has massive suspension travel to tackle bumpy surface.

A better example would be rally cars, where teams "sort" out the suspension depending on the stages, i.e. gravel or paved road.

Suspension is one of the most ignored, yet probably the most essential aspects of anything with wheels.

There are different types of suspension, most of them i don't know. But all of us would have experienced one form or the other. If you have sat on the bullock cart, you have sat on something with no suspension at all. If you have sat in a tractor trolley, you have sat on something with leaf spring suspension. If you have read about the Audi A8 you have read about pneumatic suspension, which is also there in Volvo buses.

Basically different suspension serve the main purpose of balancing out the vehicle on roads. If there was no suspension every undulation in the road will travel directly to your spine.

A sorted or balanced suspension is the one which combines comfort with good handling. A good handling vehicle will have to have a bit of hard suspension, so that it has less roll. While the one with good comfort will have a softish suspension to make sure the people inside don't bounce about everytime the road construction work went a little lazy.

So you need to sort suspension because both the objectives are opposite. A well sorted/balanced vehicle can triumph over a better powered vehicle around a track. A well balanced vehicle is also more confidence inspiring. A Lotus maybe not as powerful as say a Mercedes SL but will most probably will run rings around it on a track.

Every time people think of upgrading a bike they go for power upgrade but sorting the suspension will do much wonder to the bike in general. Unless you have better suspension to begin with.

Let's come to CBR. CBR has soft suspension, the forks are a bit soft and hence the ride is comfortable around city but if you go fast every time you turn under braking or hit a undulation the bike has tendency to bounce. The rear is not very good, though at least it is adjustable. So it is a good compromise if you are mostly going to putter around the city at speed limits or on bad roads a bit fast speeds. But what about good roads and going fast. The cracks will appear then. You won't feel confident. The rear will feel like there is no grip. The front will be even more unpredictable. You will be fumbling in the dark. So to speak.

Compare this to a ninja. The ninja is not very comfortable to ride around town. But it has better suspension. You never feel like losing the grip. There is no sudden bounce. You can lean much better. The way the front and rear react is predictable hence you will know long before you lose grip or confidence. It has balanced suspension. Hard, a bit uncomfortable, but balanced. It is as if the front and rear are talking in the same language. While in cbr both are in a coalition government. Most of the time they are dissing each other. One says something the other demands a rollback. Rarely do they agree.

The result is that on CBR you are never as confident as you are on Ninja. Mind you all these things will get amplified with speed. At slow speed on bad roads you might curse ninja, but on winding roads with good tarmac you will be a lot twitchy on the cbr. In the same way like on bad roads around rohtang someone on a bullet will be smiling while the cbr one will be muttering abuse, but once you cross that pass and hit the good roads around Sissu the bullet one will be watching the ass of CBR.

Suspension anyways is a black art. Takes time to get it right. It tool me 5 days to travel from gurgaon to bangalore to get it sorted by Joel. You can figure out how much time you will take.

But trust me once you get it right, and other things fall into place, like good tyres, you will be feeling like a god no matter how *****y the girlfriend or boss is.