I hope it was for the other bloke who said crap

Satya...pls see my post carefully, I never talked about "R" tag or anything. I merely pointed asking where're the fairing? And I'm not comparing D125 with any other bike, just the claims of BAL versus what it appears in reality, that's all. If we start pulling out every other bike, then this thread will meet its fate soon - LOCKED

You're THE BEST man to judge between claim & the real looks, tell me from your heart, do they really qualify?

Lol

I also asked the same question for P135 AND P220 NS. Where is the fairing?

Calling a streetbike 'Tourer' is acceptable. But Bajaj calls a streetbike 'Sports' also. So it is really upto Bajaj to call it whatever they feel like. They don't follow any classification rule.

I wouldn't be surprised if they call the Avenger an off-roader someday.

Hmm...quite a thought, but P220 had some bikini fairing something like Bandit, which is kind of acceptable. 135LS, was it called sports bike? I thought only P150 was But let's discuss on this when we meet someday.



Lol!!! You're funny

My idea of "Sport-Touring" bikes would be:
1. low-medium revving engine with loads of midrange torque.
2. A fairing for speedy and comfortable intercity touring (ok, kind of negotiable.)
3. A top speed of atleast 125-130 kmph so that one can cruise on 80-100 comfortably.

And apparently, this bike has neither.
But I believe it has the makings of a good-handling and frugal commuter, no matter what they tag/ suffix it.

Bajaj can call it whatever they want. It doesn't matter. They can suffix Double R for what its worth. Huddle up together, pondering on how to best market it. At the end of the day, it nothing more than a puny commuter bike. And most probably it'll do the job brilliantly.

Btw, the game is played by all manufacturers.

Please, would like to know which other manufacturer says they've a fairing (not even aggressive) on their motorcycle without having one?

Samarth - Acknowledged; its even more; call it even a game changer in 125cc segment.

@aargee sir, in all probability they would have missed the word "bikini" before fairing may be even that's not applicable in this case!

Anyways.. TVS has a 100cc sports bike or is it 110cc? I guess in India manufacturers think out of box while naming new products.. Discover executive or even sports commuter must have sounded lot more convincing when compared to sports tourer, especially when there is a CBR250 which goes by the very same suffix! That apart, this bike has everything to make competition sit up and take notice. I like the way Bajaj ups the ante all the time and forces competition to play catch up. Nobody would've imagined a 125cc 4-valve engine & monoshock on an upgrade to Discover! slowly, but surely I see that Bajaj wants all their 125cc+ line-up on 4-valve engines.

aargee sir has hit the manufacturers where it should hurt most. However, this won't matter even a bit to these makers who embark on a naming convention of their own where classifying the bikes.
In defense of the over-zealous PR people working overtime to bring up such funny classifications, I would say that Indian bike scenario revolves around 100cc - 150cc bikes. Now, if bike makers take cue of reality and start accepting that these bikes are nothing more than point A to point B commuters for third world countries and that there does not even exist any acceptable classification for these tiny machines, I wonder how many would be interested in buying these bikes.

In the end, its all about selling bikes and making money out it that matters to the companies and we, as a citizen who actually understand how a R is different than a RR should take Indian bike classification with a pinch of salt!!

P.S: Sorry for going way OT.

Its the track bike which have fairings not necessarily sports bike. Sports is a very complex word. There can't be a definition on that but AFAIK sports bike can be naked or faired but it should have a powerful engine and sporty looks.

We agree here that the naming is unjustified so lets discuss more about the bike. Here we are talking more about the name rather than the bike itself which matters.

Gr8 job there Antz on the Spec sheet One of my biggest gripes in the earlier xBhp

The P135 fits for the younger college generation of kids who want a 'pulsar'
Though with these new design upgrades to the P200NS and the D125ST, and the introduction of "speed lines" on the P135, am hoping the bike doesnt go off the shelf!

The only weakling I see in it is the P150 or the P180...

P100 - The entry level bike
D100 - The entry level "Discover"
D125st - The upgraded cousin of Pulsar
D150 - (This should get the upgrade too!)
BM150 - The rural war horse (this should probably kill the P100)
P150 - Either this or the P180 has to go! The classic Vanilla Pulsar
P180 - Either this or the P180 has to go! The classic Vanilla Pulsar
P200ns- The modern smart Pulsar
P220 - The premium big daddy pulsar

and may be a P350FS - Which will then take the baton of flagship product from Bajaj

Discover was always seen as the not so flashy cousin of the Pulsar. Though Bajaj has always marketed it as a 'fun' commuting "exploring" bike. Remember the Jackie chan ad? or the ad where they said about some interesting facts about places in India and emphasised on "Discovering" new places in a tank full (I still think that was a better (strictly in terms of creativity) advertisement than the Hero leg pulling!)



+1 on the wheels!
Help them save costs but donnnnntt give them on the Discover pleeeeaaasssee!
May be D150ST if and when it happens, but too radical to suit the taste of this segment (and it spoils the exclusivity of which is today your the most radical Pulsar ever built!)


Old joke, but has been around for ages!

The ST name is a bummer, but like I mentioned above, they did promote the discover earlier as a bike to go "Discover"

Petal discs cools faster, and may be so safer as they are less prone to brake fade. Having said that I wonder how the cover affects the cooling!


CBR that looks like a VFR, but is clearly not a VFR!
The new RTR, longer wheelbase, the pillion seat made plusher and flatter... and tank shroud cooling.. Racing DNA eh?


"Enthusiast" is a complex word to. But then there are some thumb rules which are never documented or certified.
So a SUPERBIKE is a 1000cc bike
A Sportsbike is a 'Track oriented sports' bike
A naked bike, is well a naked bike

Majority of people imagine a Endurance riding bike as a Sports Tourer (which isnt correct!)
A ST is one of those dual hat machines. Track + Tour, or Street + Tour.
While this does qualify as Street + Tour, I would still not call it a Sports Tourer. If the bike were a bit more powerfull (D150!), had more rubber, Loads of GC, and in bone stock condition can be played with at track, and in bone stock condition the suspension can be tweaked to take on bad roads, comes with a alternator strong enough to power a shiny lamp and more.. there... then its a ST!

ROTFL!!!

Don't think so; we keep discussing like this & they keep naming like that

Both you guys...just RG is fine

Glad you got the point

ROTFL; but does that cooling really matter...esp on a commuter? Do all their existing models have this facility & still all of them perform very faithfully. Enhancing safety...whew!!!

+1; otherwise VFR 250R would also become an expensive piece of engineering

Cooling matters, no matter what kind of bike it is!

In a traffic scenario the frequency of braking is high, probably enough to match off the intensity of braking in a street racing environment and so heat will still be an issue!

May be the cover has some well designed shrouds that keep the discs 10x cooler (lol I just cant get over this!)

@mods/supermods/admins

when do we expect the xbhp review of this bike?

This bike definetly looks better than the old one and the tech specs are good. Hope the bike performs well in the real life too.

But i am not clear why Bajaj wants to launch/showcase a bike now when its not going to be available for sale for next couple of months. Same with P200 NS. Its understandable if there is gap of a month or two. But any thing more than that, will it not make the prospective customers lose interest in the bike?

Just my thoughts.

Have you come across or heard any disc brakes getting fried due to heavy braking in any regular commuter ridden on streets in this country (under proper maintenance)? Frankly, I haven't; point is that petal disc brake & enhancing safety is another marketing gimmick. These days the entire braking technology is far superior & to me it appears to saves more metal than anything else.

New term...Discover 125 sports tourer to Discover 125, a bike for street racing environment; Satyen saar, can't believe you're saying this especially the petal brakes justified for street racing environment