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  • #16
    Originally posted by vickks View Post
    If the Repsol Edition is to be launched in 2013, what is this?



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    • #17
      Originally posted by Dman View Post
      looks much more sportier....n much more less vfrish n becoming more CBRish finally....but with some gains u loose some and i think the design flow the VFR reminiscent styling of the earlier previous version seem to be sorely lacking...nonetheless in overall looking very good...
      I gotta agree with you here. The new paint scheme definitely makes it look a lot less like the VFR. Looks sportier with the black alloys and its a good thing that the exhaust has been blacked out too so it doesn't stand out like a sore thumb.
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      • #18
        When can we expect Repsol edition in India?
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        • #19
          i will go for the repsol Honda HRC paint job if it anytime came here
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          • #20
            Repsol model is awesome!!!

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            • #21
              Does anyone know when will the new color schemes be available in India.

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              • #22
                Now since we are in 2013 can we expect any good news.

                Any scoops or updates on the CBR 250R new Colors & Models in India?
                34567 kms and ZMR sold :(

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                • #23
                  i don't think there will be anything new in CBR in 2013, apart from maybe new paint schemes.

                  i think now HONDA should reduce the price of CBR to increase its sales.
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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by princesirohi View Post
                    i don't think there will be anything new in CBR in 2013, apart from maybe new paint schemes.

                    i think now HONDA should reduce the price of CBR to increase its sales.
                    Do you think pricing a vehicle is as simple as selling a fruit? There are various factors that influence the cost of a vehicle in the market. THe Major factor being Raw material costs which will always rise.. making it impossible for manufacturers to roll down on the price without managing to make some cost cutting on the vehicle. And for the people waiting for the Repsol... if you are willing to spend about 10-15k premium for just the paintjob on the STD bikes, then good luck with that. AFAIK there are no ABS units of Repsol for the same reason.. it will be priced at a hefty premium almost costing as much as the ABS bikes
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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Nithesh View Post
                      Do you think pricing a vehicle is as simple as selling a fruit? As if making and selling bikes is what you do for a living or is it fruits.. There are various factors that influence the cost of a vehicle in the market. everybody knows...no rocket science.. THe Major factor being Raw material costs which will always rise.. making it impossible for manufacturers to roll down on the price without managing to make some cost cutting on the vehicle. Wrong statement, no product is priced in market with selling price=cost of production, manufacturers profit plays a huge part in product pricing, and if you think CBR is priced that much because it is costly to produce, you are wrong, just look around for some other bikes produced in india and you will find CBR is overpriced a little bit and it is this little bit that i asked to remove, and because of the reason that CBR 250 is not selling as expected, and its sales can be boosted by reducing its price by 15-20,000. for now CBR250 can afford to not reduce the price, but wait till some other bikes are launched...like Duke390, Pulsar375 etc and god forbid if yamaha250 is launched.... once these are launched, CBR250's existence would come under a serious threat. And for the people waiting for the Repsol... if you are willing to spend about 10-15k premium for just the paintjob on the STD bikes, then good luck with that. AFAIK there are no ABS units of Repsol for the same reason.. it will be priced at a hefty premium almost costing as much as the ABS bikes
                      i think i have answered all the queries point by point, i have an advise for you, please do not post anything that looks like a personal attack, for ex- your first sentence.
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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by princesirohi View Post
                        i think i have answered all the queries point by point, i have an advise for you, please do not post anything that looks like a personal attack, for ex- your first sentence.
                        IF that sentence even remotely resembles like a personal attack to you, then im sorry to say you are being overly hypersensitive.
                        And just so you know, i have built a vehicle.. a vehicle that hasnt been patented because it consisted of a team of 8 members and it was a project work for the college. So i do have an idea of how things work when it comes to automotive production.
                        Second of all, the CBR 250R has 27 patented technologies all over it which means it is an entirely new product that was built from ground up(read scratch) and do you have any idea how much it takes for a company to invest in a product to be built from scratch?
                        Take a look at the Nano for example. IT wasnt based on any existing product. Ratan Tata said he could sell it at a mere One Lakh rupees but he ended up spending $450 million on R&D. What was the result? A car that was priced at almost 2 lakhs when released. Why? Because he underestimated prior to manufacturing. Where has the cost ended up today? Already surpassed 2 lakh rupees. Why? Cost of Raw materials is the reason.

                        To get back on point here, Honda themselves raised the price of the 250R at the end of 2011 by about 1500 INR citing "cost of raw materials prices being increased" as the reason.
                        And you are asking them to reduce the price by 15-20000? Isnt that a bit too much ?
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                        • #27
                          everybody makes college projects better not talk about them.

                          and CBR having 27 or 100 patents does not matter. what matters is cost of production. CBR is selling world-wide, so lets not talk about recovering the cost of R & D otherwise R&D cost has to be divided by total number of vehicle sold worldwide over a period of time for which the bike is in market.

                          regarding cost of production, most ppl will agree it does not cost that much to produce including profit. tell me how much costly it is to produce a CBR250 chassis than that of a ZMR or R15 or P200NS or CBR150, similar is the case with other parts also, except engine.

                          moreover at current price point, one year down the line it may find itself in troubled waters.

                          see what matter is total profit and not profit per bike. you can reduce the price and sell more units to earn a better overall profit, choice is yours.

                          and honda increasing the price by 1500 rupees at the end of 2011 because of raw materials cost ... has nothing to do with "how much it costs to produce a CBR250" it has more to do with honda not wanting to reduce their profit b 1500 rupees.

                          let me make it clear once again, i am recommending a price cut for CBR250 so that it can sell in large numbers, which is not the case now and specially when a few upcoming bikes may create a problem in future.

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                          phrases like- "do you have any idea..." are somewhat provocative/offensive and should be avoided.
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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by princesirohi View Post
                            everybody makes college projects better not talk about them.

                            and CBR having 27 or 100 patents does not matter. what matters is cost of production. CBR is selling world-wide, so lets not talk about recovering the cost of R & D otherwise R&D cost has to be divided by total number of vehicle sold worldwide over a period of time for which the bike is in market.

                            regarding cost of production, most ppl will agree it does not cost that much to produce including profit. tell me how much costly it is to produce a CBR250 chassis than that of a ZMR or R15 or P200NS or CBR150, similar is the case with other parts also, except engine.

                            moreover at current price point, one year down the line it may find itself in troubled waters.

                            see what matter is total profit and not profit per bike. you can reduce the price and sell more units to earn a better overall profit, choice is yours.

                            and honda increasing the price by 1500 rupees at the end of 2011 because of raw materials cost ... has nothing to do with "how much it costs to produce a CBR250" it has more to do with honda not wanting to reduce their profit b 1500 rupees.

                            let me make it clear once again, i am recommending a price cut for CBR250 so that it can sell in large numbers, which is not the case now and specially when a few upcoming bikes may create a problem in future.

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                            phrases like- "do you have any idea..." are somewhat provocative/offensive and should be avoided.
                            Everybody does college projects.. but only a handful of people ever get theirs posted in the media, or get approached by automotive brands for patenting.
                            Secondly, your statement of "27 or 100 patents dont matter" just speaks volumes about the Indian janta. To remind you, 9 out of those 27 patents are in the engine alone.

                            Secondly you are comparing the 250R's chassis with the rest of the Indian bikes, but answer this. if Honda could price these bikes lower, why is the 150R not competing pricewise with the R15 and costs 10k more today? The 150R sales are nowhere close to the R15 as a result and yet Honda does not want to lower the price of the 150R? If they are targetting the 150 sport class they should have priced it alongside the R15 right? To an average Joe these two bikes are almost alike but to an enthusiast, a DOHC setup will always be a more potent product than an SOHC product and not just that, the DOHC being more complex is also expensive to produce thus costing more.
                            Also the ZMR you speak of, does not employ any new technology. It is a detuned CRF230 for efficiency.
                            The R15 you speak of, does not employ anything new since it is basically a Vixion derived engine.
                            As for their chassis, i think it is common sense to know that the greater the power and torque output, the more complex it is to build a lightweight chassis. But it isnt the chassis that takes up majority of the cost of production. It is the engine first and its internal components, then comes the gearbox setup. The chassis and the rest only make up about 30-40% of the cost of the bike.
                            Here is a speculative price breakdown of the components made via quotation lists for various components and some aftermarket price of components like engine and gearbox and chassis.
                            The tyres on the 250R alone cost about 5k a set = Retails for about 6-7k
                            The keylock set another 10k since it houses most of the sensors. = Retails for about 12k.
                            Radiator with coolant pipe is about 8k or so = Retails at 10k
                            Suspension front and rear can cost upto 10k = speculated from aftermarket manufacturers
                            Frame for 15k. = speculated
                            Engine with filters and ECU for about 40k. = The ECU alone costs about 8-10k in Indonesia.
                            Gearbox+chain+sprocket for about 15k.
                            Body panels+visor+seat = 10k
                            Gauges+electricals+cables+headlight+taillight with blinkers = 15k.
                            Brake setup(calipers, rotors, lines, reservoir) (STD) = 12k
                            Then add to that transportation cost.
                            That is roughly about 1,40,000+. How much does the STD CBR cost? 1,48,868 ex-showroom. Which means Honda makes about 10k worth of profit out of each bike which you are asking to deduct.
                            And last but not the least, do you know what it takes to produce an engine with an offset cylinder? A roller rocker arm? Skirtless piston? Or their benefits? You cannot compare apples to oranges, likewise the engines in the bikes you mentioned are all different and have very little technology in common.


                            If you say newer technology does not matter then you will also have to say that the BMW S1000RR should be priced just as much as the R1 or the Fireblade. But it doesnt. It carries a $2k premium over its rivals because it is technologically ahead of them.
                            If you or I were to build a 250cc engine from sourcing parts at home, it will easily exceed the 1.5 lakh mark. The Kinetic COmet launched back in 2005 was at 1.7 lakhs ex showroom. Be thankful that in today's age you are getting a Fuel Injected, liquid cooled 250cc for the same price OnRoad. As for its competitors, the Yamaha 250 is still 2 years away, as for the 390Duke and 375 Pulsars, as long as they are Naked bikes 250 sales wont be affected. By then the 500 twins from Honda could be on its way here and if locally manufactured will cost just as much as it does in Indonesia right now and that is about 3,65,000 OTR for the ABS version! (Keep in Mind the 250R's being sold in India and Thailand are priced identically even for the ABS variants)


                            And Princesirohi, if you are offended by a statement that starts with a question, i am at loss for words. I didnt know asking someone a question was considered "offensive" especially on the internet.
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                            • #29
                              nice observations there..The fact remains that We all love CBR 250 & want to have it...no matter this Bike sells increases or not, Honda is not going to price it down...Honda enjoys a great Brand value worldwide & recently called off 11500 CBR's for minor brake problem. It just indicates that Honda is committed to give us long lasting classy biking experience
                              If anyone feels it's hard to purchase this & still want it, there are Various finance options available....
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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Nithesh View Post
                                Everybody does college projects.. but only a handful of people ever get theirs posted in the media, or get approached by automotive brands for patenting. (not relevant here)
                                Secondly, your statement of "27 or 100 patents dont matter" just speaks volumes about the Indian janta. To remind you, 9 out of those 27 patents are in the engine alone. (again not relevant here, we are discussing cost of production)

                                Secondly you are comparing the 250R's chassis with the rest of the Indian bikes, (you clearly skipped the point raised by me, the chassis of CBR250 is costlier by what margin and why?, the chassis being only an example, similar applies for other parts, except engine) but answer this. if Honda could price these bikes lower, why is the 150R not competing pricewise with the R15 and costs 10k more today? The 150R sales are nowhere close to the R15 as a result and yet Honda does not want to lower the price of the 150R? If they are targetting the 150 sport class they should have priced it alongside the R15 right? To an average Joe these two bikes are almost alike but to an enthusiast, a DOHC setup will always be a more potent product than an SOHC product and not just that, the DOHC being more complex is also expensive to produce thus costing more. CBR150 is not what we were discussing, but since you brought it into discussion, a lot of ppl feel that it is overpriced a bit because success of a particular bike in market depends on overall package and not just engine or DOHC/SOHC. however we will leave CBR150 aside, since we were discussing CBR250R
                                Also the ZMR you speak of, does not employ any new technology. It is a detuned CRF230 for efficiency.again you are coming to engine, i used it to compare other parts and chassis being an example
                                The R15 you speak of, does not employ anything new since it is basically a Vixion derived engine. again you are coming to engine, i used it to compare other parts and chassis being an example

                                As for their chassis, i think it is common sense to know that the greater the power and torque output, the more complex it is to build a lightweight chassis. But it isnt the chassis that takes up majority of the cost of production. It is the engine first and its internal components, then comes the gearbox setup. The chassis and the rest only make up about 30-40% of the cost of the bike. i know that engine cost is much more than cost of other parts, and i have clearly mentioned it, but i used that chassis example to show that it does not cost too much to produce most of the parts.
                                Here is a speculative price breakdown of the components made via quotation lists for various components and some aftermarket price of components like engine and gearbox and chassis.
                                The tyres on the 250R alone cost about 5k a set = Retails for about 6-7k
                                The keylock set another 10k since it houses most of the sensors. = Retails for about 12k.
                                Radiator with coolant pipe is about 8k or so = Retails at 10k
                                Suspension front and rear can cost upto 10k = speculated from aftermarket manufacturers
                                Frame for 15k. = speculated
                                Engine with filters and ECU for about 40k. = The ECU alone costs about 8-10k in Indonesia.
                                Gearbox+chain+sprocket for about 15k.
                                Body panels+visor+seat = 10k
                                Gauges+electricals+cables+headlight+taillight with blinkers = 15k.
                                Brake setup(calipers, rotors, lines, reservoir) (STD) = 12k
                                Then add to that transportation cost.
                                That is roughly about 1,40,000+. How much does the STD CBR cost? 1,48,868 ex-showroom. Which means Honda makes about 10k worth of profit out of each bike which you are asking to deduct. well if you think that honda is earning only 10,000 as profit on each bike that costs 1.5 lakhs is not correct. totally wrong. btw, you have done a nice exercise of price break-up but the prices mentioned by you is the cost at which individual parts are available on retail sale, this is not the purchase price of these parts by honda. let me tell you when purchased in bulk we procure products at 60% discount on MRP, ofcourse these are not auto parts, but we also purchase auto accessories like tyres, batteries etc, and i can't reveal how much discount we get but i can assure you its unbelievable for guys who are not into purchasing ....and even after that everybodyfrom manufacturer to dealer to transporter everybody is still earning profit, that is the reason they are doing business. so all i wanna say is your approximate prices are not correct.
                                And last but not the least, do you know what it takes to produce an engine with an offset cylinder? A roller rocker arm? Skirtless piston? Or their benefits? You cannot compare apples to oranges, likewise the engines in the bikes you mentioned are all different and have very little technology in common. why are you only focussed about engine ???


                                If you say newer technology does not matter then you will also have to say that the BMW S1000RR should be priced just as much as the R1 or the Fireblade. But it doesnt. It carries a $2k premium over its rivals because it is technologically ahead of them. it charges a premium because it wants to charge a premium and not because it costs that much to produce.
                                If you or I were to build a 250cc engine from sourcing parts at home, it will easily exceed the 1.5 lakh mark. The Kinetic COmet launched back in 2005 was at 1.7 lakhs ex showroom. Be thankful that in today's age you are getting a Fuel Injected, liquid cooled 250cc for the same price OnRoad. As for its competitors, the Yamaha 250 is still 2 years away, as for the 390Duke and 375 Pulsars, as long as they are Naked bikes 250 sales wont be affected. By then the 500 twins from Honda could be on its way here and if locally manufactured will cost just as much as it does in Indonesia right now and that is about 3,65,000 OTR for the ABS version! (Keep in Mind the 250R's being sold in India and Thailand are priced identically even for the ABS variants)


                                And Princesirohi, if you are offended by a statement that starts with a question, i am at loss for words. I didnt know asking someone a question was considered "offensive" especially on the internet.

                                i do not want to drag this discussion further, since you are not ready to see the other side of coin. all i wanna say and have said is -- to increase sales now and in future- it is advisable to reduce the price of CBR250.

                                It is a very good bike and the current pricing is also not bad, but it can be better---

                                who knows i will own a CBR one day.

                                let us respectfully and happily agree to disagree.
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