Wow...looks like I outdated myself; pls, lend some education here. Tks

Not the first time this has happened is it??

Any bike's nuts and bolts will rust in the Indian weather. Doesnt matter if its a Honda or a BMW. The only way to prevent rust formation is spraying WD40 at a particular interval and more often during the monsoon.
Secondly Honda replaced every screw/bolts that were rust prone within 6 months of the 250R Launch along with grabrail replacements for poor paintjob quality and they also provided a seal/cap to cover the mirror nut to prevent it from falling off due to any sort of vibration. About a couple of months ago they even openly recalled STD CBR 250R's to replace brake master cylinder and i do not know of any international or local automaker that would go to the extent of recalling and replacing as many parts as Honda did with the CBR. They could've easily ignored the issue but they didnt. I think people should be appreciative a little more for what they have done as a company even though their ASC's are sub-par level(Not all of them though as the SVC I go to is very friendly and responsive if you build a good rapport)

I believe its "Said" now. The new stock COntigo's are much better gripwise and have improved in quality.

Well, to begin i am not sure if i have gone beyond whats happening around !.. Honda announced that they would become leaders in the 150 CC segment in India by 2015 and they will be introducing a challenger to the Splendor.

Honda to launch 3 new bikes to topple Hero's leadership - CNBC-TV18

Now i don't think CB Trigger and any challenger to Splendor are bikes that are really more than mediocre compared to what Yamaha has produced in that segment, apart from them being a good go for the people who are obsessed with mileage... or have i got it wrong here ?

Have they sold anything above the 250CC segment as how the Bajaj/Kawasaki Tie up has been doing, and do you really think those 250CC craps IMO they sell are the best they have got ??

I mentioned Bajaj and TVS since they are not afraid or have nothing to lose in fact by having tie ups with the KTMs and the BMWs..... Is it not stepping up the tempo by their standards ???

And Indeed Honda is making easy money --- introduce a lot of Challengers to splendor, it will be a happy path.. Way to go... !!

I am not sure if i have enlightened you, i am not capable of that. These are just my views.. They may be completely wrong.. !

This is more than suffice, but still...

Ok, so?

Dream Yuga, Twister - Discover 100
None - Hayate, Victor
Shine - Splendor, Discover 125, Flame, Libero (may be), Zeus
None - Yamaha FZ
CBR 150R - Yamaha R15
Unicorn, Trigger - Yamaha SZ, Pulsar 150, RTR 160, GS150
CBR 250R - Ninja 250R, (may be Duke, P200NS, P220)
Activa, Dio, Aviator - Bajaj??? Yamaha Ray, TVS Wego, Scooty
CBR1000RR - Yamaha R1, Suzuki GSXR1000
VT1300 - May be HD?
CBR1000 - Suzuki Bandit?
VFR 1200 - ???

Which manufacturer offers all the possible segments under one roof in this country? TVS? BAL? Yamaha? RE? Hero?

Crap? You're right, VFR1200, VTX1300, CBR1000RR are all termed crap by you or by the world? 250 a crap? That's right; with a highest FE (on the segment) of 31 Kmpl on city rides & more than 36 on highway with 75 mph in highways through the day with a prolink suspension & a ground up design on the engine & FI, deserves to be called crap!!!

TVS, Bajaj & Hero are Indian companies; they HAVE to partner with a foreign company inorder for them to survive against Honda & Yamaha, as well as those companies (KTM, EBR, BMW) to venture into Indian market. HMSI is wholly owned by Honda Japan. Talking about that, which other foreign manufacturer has setup a factory in this country to offer products at competitively priced other than Suzuki & Yamaha?

If you may dust your memory, Splendor is a JV of Hero & Honda; HMSI doesn't make Splendor

They're indeed; not just the competition or the products, even the technology

Probably every manufacturer including hmsi knows how the judiciary operates here otherwise they would be more careful with their after sales support.
And i wonder why is everyone bashing hmsi here... every manufacturer out here has very similar 'standards' of after sales service.

Lol. Yes & no. Yes for the rust in Indian weather part & no for that happening to a Honda.
Have had my share of imported bikes (some were Hondas again) n oem fittings on that lived till the life of the bike in spic span condition without a single drop of anti rust applied on em.
Fact remains that Hondas oem suppliers are just as (if not more so) bad as the bajajs & heros of the world & that is something unacceptable (from a Honda)
But I completely am with u on they trying to do their part in correcting the damage... no other manufacturer has taken as much pain in fixing such things & we all must compliment Honda for that.
Having said that, from a sarcastic perspective, it's like kicking somebody where it hurts the most & then applying tiger balm on the kicked spot to heal the bruises... not done ;-)
Other manufacturers should also be penalized on similar lines, is all I hope. That will be some day when all manufacturers become so conscious and empathize on customer satisfaction.
After all, it's power to the purchaser :-)

True that

If you watched television in the 90's, then this pic is more than apt


This is the same reason as one of our beloved neighboring state loves us so much that it keeps sending few folks to cross the borders

ONIDA!! owners pride.. neighbors envy!!

ha ha ha! i was born in the last century... literally... 1971 to be specific & so, used to love that ad! ;-)

Sirjee. Most of us here were born in the previous century! Hardly many 13 year olds on xBhp

LOL LOL! oh well... u never know!
My 10 yr old kid is already into bikes & cars.
Others his age read tintin & such... he's browsing top gear & indian auto, etc.
Aspires to own a V-Max someday
Fine by me so long as he doesnt ask me to finance for it!

So what?? , if they manufacture under all the segments ?? Are they leader in any of the segments apart from the 250 cc and that too if u clubbed 200 - 250cc as you did the leadership would go for a toss Have Collected some info - Let me put it down,

Around 100c and below - Yamaha Crux followed by Hero Splendor and Bajaj Discover 100T.
125 cc - Yamaha Gladiator, Bajaj Discover ST, Honda Stunner.
135 cc - Bajaj Pulsar 135cc
150 cc sports - Yamaha R15, CBR 150R
150 cc commuters - Suzuki GS, Bajaj Pulsar, Yamaha FZ16, followed by Unicorn.
200 cc - bajaj-KTM (Duke), pulsar
250 cc - CBR250R, bajaj-kawasaki(Ninja 250R)


I have not included other segements, since we seldom see VT1300,VFR 1200,CBR1000,Suzuki Bandit,CBR1000RR etc... being used for daily commuting.
Why should they ??? When most of them are leaders in at least more than one segments.

Definitely not. Read my post, i never had any idea about VFR1200, VTX1300, CBR1000RR, until you posted them.

Read the word "IMO" beside.

Couldn't get what you meant by it or in fact how they achieved it?? And yes it would be gr8 if you could provide us with the details about the engine used for CBR250R and its design. I hope they are not more than 8 years old..

Yes.

You have already answered it, they are suzuki and yamaha.. I am sure later on few may join. The road never ends. does it?

You missed out the crucial part of the sentence "Challengers to", in "And Indeed Honda is making easy money --- introduce a lot of Challengers to splendor, it will be a happy path.. Way to go... !!",
i guess no company would challenge its own make.

Oh yeah ! thanks for the encouragement. At least came to know something. Thanks a lot for the information. was very useful.

Thanks to have let us know about your knowledgeable & that helped me to understand where I stand with you.

To learn about the engine...
to Google
Thank you & have a nice day!!!