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**MHG** · 04-12-2013, 11:17 PM

Originally posted by Samarth 619 View Post

Guys, thinking logically, I think Pulsar 150 being the most powerful carburetted 150cc bike in India, with a power of 15.1 PS, has not much to fear. Maybe Chassis performance, but again its a segment where chassis matters to an extent only. Think about it, if you are in a market for fast bike with a budget of 70k~, what would you choose? P150, right? Unless of course, you consider RTR 160 a part of this segment, with a power of 15.4 PS.

But P180 has a lot to fear. Its getting old, and also, competition from RTR 180 is rendering it obsolete in some important matters- performance, handling, looks, etc.
Also, it was the original Pulsar. And somewhere between the 150 Premiums & 220 Premiums, 180cc is an important segment today even though it may not have many products.
I think there should be a segment shattering 4 valve but carburetted P180 (based on Duke) to knock off RTR 180 once and for all, in most matters.

Although, in reality, yes there maybe a 150 to replace a 180 (this reminds me of R15).
As you know, times change. Probably, Bajaj might forget the 180 like it forgot scooters. Sad but no doubt, we'll have better products. Amen to development.

I believe you may have gotten it wrong there with the Apache 180 vs Pulsar 180 comparison. If you take a look at on-road pricing (I did in Bangalore), Apache 160 competes with Pulsar 180 on price, while Apache 180 competes with the Pulsar 220 on price.

Anyhow, the launch sounds exciting. The cheapest thing they could do is to relaunch the Pulsar 135 with a monoshock. The second cheapest thing is to make the Pulsar 150 and/or 180 into 4-valve products and give them each a bump in power. But hopefully Bajaj will take the most exotic path - reuse tech from KTM. A carburetted Pulsar 125NS sounds awesome indeed.

**Naveen1985** · 04-12-2013, 11:26 PM

According to me bajaj will launch a very advanced 165-180cc bike with 4 valve, mono-shock, 18-20bhp power to tap that 81,000-87,000rs/- segment which is dominated by fz brothers at present as p180 is aging very fast whereas rtr face lift is a weird looking machine which ha'nt gone down well with people. Most probably it will be a good seller for bajaj as buyers will get a good design with better mileage, power and top speed than fz and p180....On the basis of my speculation bajaj will finally say good bye to current p180 and create a comfortable space for a new bike.
As far as p150 is concerned, its still selling in good numbers with no major threat and that is why priority for bajaj should be a segment where they are continuously loosing market share to fz series.

**vrugonnab** · 04-13-2013, 12:50 AM

Originally posted by Naveen1985 View Post

According to me bajaj will launch a very advanced 165-180cc bike with 4 valve, mono-shock, 18-20bhp power to tap that 81,000-87,000rs/- segment which is dominated by fz brothers at present as p180 is aging very fast whereas rtr face lift is a weird looking machine which ha'nt gone down well with people. Most probably it will be a good seller for bajaj as buyers will get a good design with better mileage, power and top speed than fz and p180....On the basis of my speculation bajaj will finally say good bye to current p180 and create a comfortable space for a new bike.
As far as p150 is concerned, its still selling in good numbers with no major threat and that is why priority for bajaj should be a segment where they are continuously loosing market share to fz series.

+1, completely agree with you. There is no reason why Bajaj should update P150/180, coz inspite of all the newer competition, they are pretyy much selling in the same numbers. That means competition isn't formidable enough/offering enough to take on Pulsar brand as far as the average buyer is concerned.

I too feel that smaller pulsar will be more like a 160NS (somewhere between 150-180), that will be seen as smaller/smallest NS with all the tech that's seen on 200NS i.e. discs on front & rear, liquid cooling, perimeter frame, triple spark etc. I don't think P150/180 are going to be phased out. As Rajiv Bajaj himself said that in Indian market, there is no phasing out of products. When the time comes market itself phases out a product. So, Bajaj will continue selling P150/180 as long as they bring in numbers/profit for them.

**princesirohi** · 04-13-2013, 01:32 AM

wow, so many speculations...... !!P375... Ahhh...??

**Satyamzma** · 04-13-2013, 11:44 AM

Originally posted by princesirohi View Post

wow, so many speculations...... !!P375... Ahhh...??

I am damn sure it will be a 150cc bike with mono-shock & features from 200ns,churning out 15-16 ps.... the P180cc will not be upgraded & will be discontinued later...

**indyana** · 04-13-2013, 03:45 PM

I love 200ns to bits, still I'd say that it is a bit of a 'big' bike. has a ride height like an adventure bike of sorts, yet it isn't one.
What if they make a 200 cc pulsar that's not so big on physique? there's no harm in dreaming..
Practically speaking though, it seems a new 180cc is upon us, with the engine they were threatening to put on ktm.

**Aditya N Bharadwaj** · 04-13-2013, 04:26 PM

Holy smokes! Just look at the amount of attention Bajaj is getting nowadays!

If I were asked for an opinion, I'd say release a semi-faired pulsar with a fuel injected 165 cc 4-valve air/LC engine. Should give a good competition to R15, CBR150, Fz and fazer on the basis of performance. Price? That'd definitely eat into the market of R15 and CBR150. I'd also say, don't release a 180 cc pulsar loaded with goodies, it would probably eat into the 200NS market.

OT- Bajaj, if you're constantly looking at this forum, we'd like to see fuel-injected 200NS from now on, and if possible, upgrades for the existing ones!

**abhiiceman** · 04-14-2013, 01:31 AM

first they should launch a fully faired p220 with bored out ns engine...because its the bike with enough power and FE unlike others...and yes a 4valve 17bhp p150 will be more exciting then p375 IMO

**Harsh Thanvi** · 04-15-2013, 08:20 AM

I dont think there will be any Fi
Version of 200 NS..

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**nokstar** · 04-16-2013, 02:45 PM

or a pulsar based on Duke 125 like they did with Duke 200 on NS

**MidnightEvil Parth** · 04-16-2013, 05:59 PM

Originally posted by Satyamzma View Post

I am damn sure it will be a 150cc bike with mono-shock & features from 200ns,churning out 15-16 ps.... the P180cc will not be upgraded & will be discontinued later...

Same thinking....probably 17-18ps power and yeah like they did with 220 .....180 will soon be discontinued.

**Naveen1985** · 04-16-2013, 06:16 PM

Originally posted by MidnightEvil Parth View Post

Same thinking....probably 17-18ps power and yeah like they did with 220 .....180 will soon be discontinued.

220 is available in delhi...

**MidnightEvil Parth** · 04-17-2013, 10:08 AM

Originally posted by Naveen1985 View Post

220 is available in delhi...

Will be discontinued...200NS rival :P

**somen1984** · 04-17-2013, 11:55 AM

Originally posted by MidnightEvil Parth View Post

Same thinking....probably 17-18ps power and yeah like they did with 220 .....180 will soon be discontinued.

Yes there were some news in air about discontinuing the P220, but a yr still it's running.

So any confirmation on discontinuation ??

**MidnightEvil Parth** · 04-17-2013, 02:14 PM

Originally posted by somen1984 View Post

Yes there were some news in air about discontinuing the P220, but a yr still it's running.

So any confirmation on discontinuation ??

Not yet but here in Haldwani we see nobody buying 220s and even the showroom guys have less of them at hand.

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