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Getting consistent price quotes from many sources.For Daytona mainly. Because that is the bike that I would buy .But let us not ruin the mood of this thread! Let the shock be received in November!

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Hope we are shocked in a positive way

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RE does not have the DNA for growth despite Sid Lal. The company is lucky to own the brand name of RE. Erstwhile owners would be turning in their graves to see the garbage that it makes under the guise of bikes in the 21st century. It should be renamed as Indian Enfield; has no right to suffix Royal before its name. The REs of the 50s and 60s were THE REAL REs, not the garbage brought out these days...

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Please look up the history of Triumph. The name is eponymous for the achievement of this company. Actually, it should make a bike named the Triumph Phoenix too.
[MENTION=26407]aargee[/MENTION]. [MENTION=13163]darkknight[/MENTION]. +100 to that "wowww" Will add WTF to it too.

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I guess either you are another Bullet basher or a CI Bullet fanatic or you are just ignorant. The dying RE has got a lease of life with the new UCE engine, not only that the sales has gone to never reached before heights. The setting up of new plant in Oragadam, 500,000 units of production per year target as against 1,75,000 units, if it does not speak for growth then what DNA you are talking about

Again speaking like a real CI fanatic, if they are garbage then please check the progress Enfield has made with this garbage and the reliability and performance the new engine has bought. What all you know about the new UCE engine? Have you rode one such garbage, if yes then for how many kms. If NOT then how can you call them garbage?

Again words like "either CI or nothing" and can you tell me how REs of the 50s and 60s were REAL REs ? What is the hallmark of Enfield being THE REAL Royal Enfield? Some certification exam, some benchmark?

And I guess then you are against evolution or any sort of change and then you speak about the absence of DNA for growth, aren't you contradicting yourself ?

Appreciate them and the relation is not inversely proportional. They need applaud and that does not mean the company needs to be abused. People have done wonders with many kind of engines

You can add whatever you want if that acknowledges your opinion.

Well if you are a true Bullet basher then I think there are few threads running here on xbhp, you can go there and bash hard on the bullets, spill all kinds of garbage there, why off track the thread topic.

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I'm no RE hater but I know compared to any bike manufactured in India by Indian companies, Bullets are the least reliable, which is true until today. It appears they have largely taken care of engine problems with UCE and came up with a trump card called Classic, other than that they are still the very same RE. Going by their legacy I guess they will keep churning out these models until we have a grand children.
The brand is old and was once famous, which it exploits to this day but dear friend, do not confuse that emotion for quality. I know that bullet owners enjoy the ride which is unique to REs but in that feeling they also downplay or mange to live with the reliability issues. I won't hesitate to say that they are the least (zero) innovative of all motorcycle companies in existence.

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Mods, Sincere apologies for the relative OT. I am hazarding it as the content is linked to the subject of the thread. Please delete at your pleasure.
[MENTION=63513]gyan_recl350[/MENTION]. I wrote back because the idea of comparing today's RE with today's Triumph seemed more than a bit absurd to me. Especially as and ironically so, it is RE which should have become an indigenous Triumph of sorts (pun fully intended). The same Brit bike legacy of BSA, Norton, Villers, AJS, Ariel et al was fully capitalised on by Triumph in its resurrected avatar courtesy John Bloor. The former 5 died completely (in spite of the Nortons and the BSAs being better than the Triumphs of that day) while Triumph emerged like a Phoenix, largely due to the dogged determination and faith of Mr Bloor. Exactly the same success could have been replicated by Sid Lal in RE by infusing similar energy, leadership and vision. But blaming him completely is unfair; he has to work with the truck mindset of the parent firm. Yet, the name and the image, Royal Enfield deserved much, much better.

I am a closet fan of the RE - I want it desperately but not in its present state of design and manufacturing. I have had REs, Nortons, AJSs and Ariels in my family so feel the pain more acutely. I know exactly what a RE of circa 2013 should be like and when I see the current models, (ICE, CI whatever) it is most disappointing.

Your original post, viz, "........I hope arrival of Triumph would at least push Eicher motors to pay close attention to quality of Royal Enfield motorcycles (paint, fit and finish) which otherwise they have taken for granted " does seem to invalidate your firm stance on the quality of the present REs, though

We must be fair-minded and willing to tolerate criticism of even our most revered icons if we are to progress. I am a fan of BMW (cars and bikes both) but will direct vitriolic criticism if the firm does something stupid (like poor frame design on earlier R 1200GS Adventures caused them to break often). Me and legions like me then make the firm correct the fault and prevent it from doing something even more stupid later. That is progress. Basking on the laurels of past achievements is necessary to retain faith in the firm but literally lolling in it spells doom for the firm. Yes, salute when deserved but at the same time, slap when needed too...

And that is what makes Triumph so special - immense success, untimely death, resurrection, disaster by fire, rejuvenation and final deserved glory. Leave alone bikes, I cannot think of any other company which deserves its name more.

Again, mods, sorry for the OT.

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Well not exactly Classic, indeed classic has to be given credit, but launch of new TBTS 500 has to be considered as well. TBTS500 with new swing arm, digital display, larger fuel tanks and some other changes can be seen as the change RE has bought. And no way any model of TBTS can be termed as "the very same RE". In fact TBTS receives heavy criticism from many ardent RE fans who thinks it does not belong to Bullet family as the look is completely different.

You have answered your own questions and concerns here. The Legacy and this legacy is the culprit, it never allow them to change things. RE is one motorcycle any change to which is not accepted and digested by it's fans and users easily. The change does not go down well then what company should do? When they just shifted the gears from right side to left side they had to take heavy bashing from the fans and then there was always the danger of loosing it's already existing, nothing less than RE, nothing less than CI ardent fans and users.

Read some article here on xbhp, it was a case study on how difficult it was to bring up any change to the never changes from 50 years Bullets (talking purely about Bullet and Electra). I guess you should read it once, I am not taking sides but what I am trying to explain is when it comes to RE it's users does not like it to be changed, they does not like it to be technologically advanced, even inclusion of disc brakes they do not welcome willingly. Then somewhere that is one of the reasons which never allowed RE to go for any changes or may be made them lazy or induced "take them for granted" attitude. After-all a company is to make profit and as long as they are making it without putting in much effort why would they bother.
Everything has it's negative and positive side. Then this never changed or minimally changed design and engine made them special, it slowly turned into an identity, identity of not being changed, identity of being legend and identity of being unique.
They were not like other technology loaded Jap bikes who were changing their engine every other year (unlike RE which has undergone only three major engine changes in last 40 years or so) or just put a sticker of "Plus" to their one year before launched bike and term it as ALL New and powerful machine in the town and the fan base has no issues they accept it happily and welcome it and in the process sometimes getting disguised too.

What is with this old technology that Bullet standard holds the world record of remaining in production continuously from last 55 plus years and so. Why people keep accepting it, there has to be something and that something is the legacy and the feel which cannot be felt on any other bike. They are slow, they are simple, they are unreliable (until CI engines were made) but yet they are special. Once rode then it becomes difficult to say bye to it.

Somehow the unchanged Bullets became legend among the RE fans and if today RE sale has touched the sales figures never touched before then the credit has to be given to this legacy as well .
The new generation was not willingly ready to accept the unreliable Bullets and RE was on the verge of getting closed but then AVl came and then came UCE, reliable and yet the feel and look of Bullet. Wow now it was complete package for the fans "A Reliable Bullet"(yes they are very much reliable) and accepted world wide and then bought a new lease of life to RE now they got the courage that change can be bought, people are ready, now they like disk brakes, they like digital console and the advent of new TBTS 500 is evidence of that then in few months they gonna launch cafe racer GT 535 cc and then you never know how it goes. Things are moving which was stagnant for years for the reasons known.

They are not zero innovative they were not allowed to do innovation. Innovations were not accepted (still many CI guys see the new bullets with utter dis-respect) . How could a zero innovative company can come up with the gorgeous design of Classic Bullets, how come a zero innovative company can up with completely new engine (UCE) which has nothing related to old CI engine unlike many other bikes which keep working on the same platform to bring up new changes. How could a zero innovative company which used to make CI engine in which the clutch, gear and engine used to be in separate sections suddenly altogether bought together in one section, they never utilized their already existing platform.

Since now the change has been accepted no surprises if in the coming years you see a lot more of them.

Cheers

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Agree with you here and about the Triumph thing agree on that as well

I doubt if you ever had deep connection with RE or if you have rode new UCE engine Bullets as saying ICE which is actually UCE and terming CI as current model which has been phased out some 5 years back and which was THE ENGINE of RE (CI = Cast Iron engines) from 1950s till 2008-2009 ,I doubt if you ever have had much experience with Royal Enfields. I might be wrong but that is what your comment allude me to put this allegation on you

Did I ever take firm stance on their quality? Have I? Please if you feel, go through whatever I have written and if you find me praising their QUALITY then I accept it does invalidate.

Cent percent agree with you

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So all who were thinking Triumph wouldn't come with anything lesser than half liter or even lesser than more than half liter here is the news:

Triumph entry level 250cc motorcycle spotted testing - Motoroids.com

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So all who were thinking Triumph wouldn't come with anything lesser than half liter or even lesser than more than half liter here is the news:

http://www.motoroids.com/news/triumph-entry-level-250cc-motorcycle-spotted-testing/

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Please with no offense to anybody but the thread title and content are contradictory ...

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Still it would be like HD only. Some premium cities would only have this showrooms. And would like to see this models in India. But again pricing would be the main aspect for people to buy. Because KTM is already here to change the game anytime.

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28th November 2013 is the date, if (and that's a big if) Motoroids is to be trusted.

It's Official! Triumph India Launch on November 28 - Motoroids.com

PS : I like how they say it's "official" but don't provide a link to the official release by Triumph.

Edit : The source link says it's a mailer but I haven't received one. (I am also subscribed to their mailing list)

Another Edit : Triumph's fb page hasn't posted/acknowledged/refuted this yet.

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This guy(Autocar) confirms it too



Triumph to launch in November | Bike News | Bikes 800cc-1000cc | Autocar India

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[MENTION=63513]gyan_recl350[/MENTION] Jesus friggin Christ!! Please stop going OT! Please create another page for RE related topics. Yes, I hate RE as well. About time, the company drops dead!

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Please you also don't go OT here, just because you hate it and trying to summarize it in two words. Btw it wasn't me who choose to go OT but kinda forced to and haven't I started the thread which kind of had gone dormant, on the right direction again?

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