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**chicane1879** · 07-07-2010, 06:06 PM

Originally posted by satyenpoojary View Post

I seriously want someone to come up with a 90CC bike and call it a 90CC bike :P
You bet that could freak some CC concious people

- A NANO of sorts
90 - CC
Everything else comparable to the 100CC class, breaks/tyres et all!

I think HH had already thought about it much before.

A low-cost motorcycle priced around Rs.25000 is on cards.

Hero Honda plans to make nano of bikes - India Business - Business - The Times of India

@Sunilg

Yes we have heard but it doesnt get more reliable when you get to hear about it from 'official' press release!!

**inflammable** · 07-07-2010, 06:07 PM

Originally posted by payeng View Post

Inflammable, there will be a slight difference here.

In case of mobile phones the taste and the expectation of the consumer has changed and evolved over the time. People now demand more than just the reliable "entry level" phones that Nokia used to churn out so efficiently.

People now demand more from their mobile phones.

But now take the case of our two wheeler buying customers. They still want the 100 cc engine bikes, why? Because it gives them best mileage.

Bajaj tried to innovate (XCD 125) by giving more punch (125 cc) and equal if not superior mileage, for the same price. But the customer refuses to budge (Ok, the styling of the XCD could have been better).

Result: Bajaj fits the Discover body with the chassis and a 100 cc engine derived from the XCD, and sales go through the roof..!!

With ever rising fuel prices, looks like the 100 cc engine is here to stay for a long time.
Companies will have to innovate near the 100 cc mark, at least for garnering bulk sales and staying at number 1 or number 2 spot.

I went mad.. when this Honda guy.. said that.. Bajaj is not doing any R&D... and just buying technology..

Actually its not his fault.. he is new to Two wheeler industry.. and is not having much information.

The best part of converstion..

Inflammable - Why is R15 so expensive??
honda Guy - I dont know.. How can they make R15 so expensive.. They are making 30-40% on the bike. And look at the bike.. the rear tyre is thinner than the front tyre of FZ. Why would one buy 1 Lakh bike with such thinner tyre.
Inflammable - So what kind of R&D is going on in Bajaj?
Honda Guy - There are basically 3 things for R&D - Engine.. front shocker and rear shocker..
Inflammable - what about Chassis?? Swingarm??
Honda Guy - ""Chassis to ek frame hota hai.. jispe Engine lagana hota hai.. baaki to sab parts fit karne keliye hain""
Inflammable - Hain.. acha.. Acha yeh bata Honda 250 ke features kya honge..
Honda guy - All.. as good as Ninja..

I dont know how and why Honda recruited this guy.. who doesnt know head and tail of bikes. But good for us.. to get some solid inside information.

**satyenpoojary** · 07-07-2010, 06:08 PM

Originally posted by sunilg View Post

and then there were stories of proper quarter-liter more powerful Karizma too

You mean the ZMR? Isnt that true enough for you?
Its almost quarter liter, almost more powerful, but yeah not almost proper

HHs dominance is all set to die like goliath in next 5-10 years, thier mammoth size will itself bring them down thanks to thier stubborness. The recent HERO motorcycle venture could be a nice lil family ploy to bail HH out of misery!

**inflammable** · 07-07-2010, 06:11 PM

Originally posted by sunilg View Post

sigh!!! another rumor. Like the mobile brand war wasn't enough for this thread...

I have written Excerpts from somebody.. who is on the development of Plastic panels for honda 250.

He is in the vendor development.

This should be enuf for you.. I guess..

I dont quote info on xbhp for the sake of putting them. I Do my home work and then post it.

**payeng** · 07-07-2010, 06:14 PM

Originally posted by inflammable View Post

I went mad.. when this Honda guy.. said that.. Bajaj is not doing any R&D... and just buying technology..

Actually its not his fault.. he is new to Two wheeler industry.. and is not having much information.

The best part of converstion..

Inflammable - Why is R15 so expensive??
honda Guy - I dont know.. How can they make R15 so expensive.. They are making 30-40% on the bike. And look at the bike.. the rear tyre is thinner than the front tyre of FZ. Why would one buy 1 Lakh bike with such thinner tyre.
Inflammable - So what kind of R&D is going on in Bajaj?
Honda Guy - There are basically 3 things for R&D - Engine.. front shocker and rear shocker..
Inflammable - what about Chassis?? Swingarm??
Honda Guy - ""Chassis to ek frame hota hai.. jispe Engine lagana hota hai.. baaki to sab parts fit karne keliye hain""
Inflammable - Hain.. acha.. Acha yeh bata Honda 250 ke features kya honge..
Honda guy - All.. as good as Ninja..

I dont know how and why Honda recruited this guy.. who doesnt know head and tail of bikes. But good for us.. to get some solid inside information.

I have serious doubts if the Honda guy you spoke even is an engineer.

But I am pretty sure that he isn't a biker.

**sunilg** · 07-07-2010, 06:17 PM

Originally posted by inflammable View Post

This should be enuf for you.. I guess..

I dont quote info on xbhp for the sake of putting them. I Do my home work and then post it.

I am not saying that Honda/HH cannot launch a 250 cc machine, they can and eventually they'll have to if they want to remain in the business. I would love to see your prediction turned into reality. but until it happens.....I'll quote Mirza Ghalib:

"RagoN meiN dauDte firne ke ham naheeN qaayal. Jab aaNkh hee se na Tapka to fir lahoo kya hai"

**payeng** · 07-07-2010, 06:23 PM

Originally posted by sunilg View Post

I am not saying that Honda/HH cannot launch a 250 cc machine, they can and eventually they'll have to if they want to remain in the business. I would love to see your prediction turned into reality. but until it happens.....I'll quote Mirza Ghalib:

"RagoN meiN dauDte firne ke ham naheeN qaayal. Jab aaNkh hee se na Tapka to fir lahoo kya hai"

For any of the following companies: Bajaj, Hero Honda, Honda, Suzuki, TVS, Yamaha. A 250 cc bike is for making a statement (Fastest India, Above All etc.) and staying in top of the minds of the customer.

For pure sales numbers, every manufacturer in India currently (and for a few more years as well) needs a 100 cc best seller.

**satyenpoojary** · 07-07-2010, 06:41 PM

Originally posted by payeng View Post

For any of the following companies: Bajaj, Hero Honda, Honda, Suzuki, TVS, Yamaha. A 250 cc bike is for making a statement (Fastest India, Above All etc.) and staying in top of the minds of the customer.

For pure sales numbers, every manufacturer in India needs a 100 cc best seller.

I agree to most of what you say but I dont agree to the list of the companies.

Yamaha, Honda, Suzuki can benefit by making a 250 here even in other markets too.... at the same time they will also get more Indian mind share.
Economies of scale and a lot of respect.... A la - Two birds with one stone! Look what R15 did to YAMAHA!

For the rest: the above is just waiting to happen... and when it does they can begin wrapping up thier business....

Food for thought: If Honda prices its 250cc for 1.25L and also revamps the Unicorn to 180-200 for 80-100K how many of 'us' the premium bikers buy a P220 or a RTR180 for same or slightly lesser price?
Now carry the same effect to the lower segments and there is a Industry waiting to get killed if they dont act first.

On the contrary, if the Indian companies get to a 250-400 first with reasonable price tag and respectable performance they make it a bit difficult for the big japs to sink thier tooth in! At the same time, they can proudly call themselves 'export' worthy product makers.

**Irish** · 07-07-2010, 07:13 PM

Fireblade CKD assembling to happen around 2012. Honda looking at introducing CBR 600.[/QUOTE]

i dont want the house to come down on me for asking this but then if CKD then wats the OTR we would be looking at..??

**happybiking** · 07-07-2010, 09:08 PM

Originally posted by Irish View Post

i dont want the house to come down on me for asking this but then if CKD then wats the OTR we would be looking at..??

Excellent question...

**payeng** · 07-07-2010, 09:45 PM

Originally posted by satyenpoojary View Post

I agree to most of what you say but I dont agree to the list of the companies.

Yamaha, Honda, Suzuki can benefit by making a 250 here even in other markets too.... at the same time they will also get more Indian mind share.
Economies of scale and a lot of respect.... A la - Two birds with one stone! Look what R15 did to YAMAHA!

You must be aware that the R15 is actually an modified Indonesian V-ixion with a full fairing, clip ons and digital speedo. They did manage two birds with one (nearly) stone. Just that the Indonesian V-ixion appeared first.

With nothing else working, Yamaha did not have any option but to cater to the performance hungry crowd in India.
But believe me, it would do anything to sell millions of YBR 110.

But yeah, made in India and sold to the world is a win-win situation for all.

**spiderweb** · 07-07-2010, 10:21 PM

Originally posted by sunilg View Post

but until it happens.....I'll quote Mirza Ghalib:

"RagoN meiN dauDte firne ke ham naheeN qaayal. Jab aaNkh hee se na Tapka to fir lahoo kya hai"

Naye daur ke Moderator babu...

**Satyamzma** · 07-08-2010, 10:52 AM

don't forget Nokia is still number 1 in sales as HH in the bikes

**payeng** · 07-08-2010, 10:59 AM

Originally posted by Satyamzma View Post

don't forget Nokia is still number 1 in sales as HH in the bikes

Even if I have used 3 Nokia "Chindi" type of phones till date, I give a damm about its No.1 status.

I aspire for an Apple iPhone now.

**Satyamzma** · 07-08-2010, 03:22 PM

OT

you may find Apple Iphone sexy to operate but it still has lots of bugs in it...

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