I could have very well answered you.... but then again... it's a futile chase and I don't want to take the intent of this thread away.

Totally agree with you man. But at the same time, all the changes in the current crop of R1s have made the engine more tractable and more usable on road (add to that the traction control)

I would say.... if money permits, one should always go for the fully loaded S1000RR, just because it's one hell of an intelligent machine (ofcourse if you could look past that squint front end). That's one machine which really really lives up to the saying "it's not about the numbers, it's always about you put them to use."

Numbers do matter. Agreed the S1000RR is a hell lot of a SBK but that does not mean you discredit the ZX-10R because it has huge numbers . Some time ago I saw some tests being done (on the motorcycleusa.com site probably or masterbike) and 2012 ZX-10R came on top of all the SBKs in terms of speed on the track. It is one of the best SBKs in the world. It boils down to personal choice at the end since they compete very closely.

In that regard I would say if money permits one should go for Aprilia RSV4. Its arguably the best SBK around. Its not only best looking but also is the only SBK having a V4 1000cc engine which makes it a monster and we can see RSV4 dominating WSBK.

How can the 14r have a faster top speed if both the gen 2 and the 2012 14r are are limited to 186 miles ? When every bike is restricted to 186 after the agreement how do you say that one has a higher top speed than the other ?

Also , have you ridden the 14r to make a statement like it " scores better on corners than a busa " or the basis of you statemnt is again magazine articles and forums. I ride a busa (since 05 ) and my closed buddy a 07 zzr1400 and i insist the busa rides better in the corners.
Just reading something on a forum and then making statements makes no sense to me.Ride up and we ll talk.

@sayank10 Magazine tests matter like horseshit to me. Yes, read them for whatever input you need but if anyone bought their bike without riding and solely on magazines and forum reviews, they probably going to regret their expensive decisions. Goes like a gun, planet stopping power, 4 pots, 320mm travel, USD, corners better than blah blah, holds the line.... means shit if you don't experience it. There are just too many variables between same bikes which will change your experience with them. Tyres, suspension, geometry, rider, confidence everything matters at this level and no Sir....you can not know how a bike rides specially sports until you ride it and ride it again...And that means ride in the rev range where they are meant to be ridden....

Absolutely man!! The Aprilia RSV4 APRC is the thing to have. But at the same time, I didn't say it's not about the numbers, obviously it has to be, but we need to see how those numbers are put to use. The way the S1000RR, as a package is built up is very intuitive and user-friendly. For example, in the S1000RR, for all the mannual settings like adjusting the front and rear suspenstion settings you can use the key as the screw driver, because it's designed in that way. The Drive modes are like Rain, Track and Slic and which is very easy to interpret than say a Drive mode of A, B and C. In the S1000RR, if you refer to the manual, then the manual refers to all the settings and maps it 1:1 to the riding needs of the rider. BMW claims that if the BMW engineers setup a new S1000RR, then the bike can be easily handled by a rider, for whome this might be the first SBK and that's what I call putting the numbers to use.

There's no qualms about the fact that the current ZX10R is easily the best ZX10R produced till date and again, it can knock the day lights out of most of the competion (minus the S1000RR, Aprilia RSV4 APRC and now the Panigale), but what the thread starter needs is a SBK that he would be using most of it's life time on road and sometimes on track (maybe) and that's where I think the likes of S1000RR and the RSV4 prove to be better machines to own, just because of the amount electronic bells and whistels these babies carry.

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then what's stopping you?let me guess ,is it limited knowledge about r1's niggles.
the limiter is set @ 11k rpm,not 186 mph.
14 r is not available here legally so couldn't get a chance.
now it is a everlasting debate who's better between busa and 14r.
now i would rather go by a auto-jurno than your insisted path,safe bet you know.

You removed the answer from my comment and then you are asking what's stopping me?? seriously man... you are fun!!

Coming back to the topic, when I consider the every day use, I guess the Busa is more comfy as compared to the R1, just because of the more aggressive seating of the R1. Also, if one wishes for a pillion along, then also I think Busa takes the lead. Opinions anyone??

The limiter can be set at 11k or at 186 mph. This is not what you were arguing . You were making statements pertaining to the new 14r having a higher top speed than the gen 2. The fact that you are deviating means you really have nothing more to say about WHY/HOW is the new stock 14r faster than the stock. Gen 2 ?

I RIDE and you READ. And i am safe to assume , a rider has a more hands on experience than a reader. So, i dont want to argue over which is better with some one who has NO extensive hands on experience about what i am talking about. Get your hands dirty first and then i am always open for an argument.

2012 ZZR1400: the Fastest Production Bike on the planet! | Motoroids
here you go.
and about your i ride ,you read comment,everyone out here rides,it's not that you are pro in bikes and other out here are rookie.

Where does that article mentions that the 2012 14r has a higher top speed than the Gen 2 hayabusa. ? It merely states its the fastest accelerating production bike. Not the bike with the higher top speed. Dont waste time with articles that dont back up your claim !

I am commenting on something i own , ride and live with everyday.You on the other hand are speaking about something you ve read in articles and journals. If i was having this argument with a 14r owner i would understand where he is coming from. You , are just commenting for the sake of commenting. And yes if you want to put it that way when it comes to superbikes i may not be a pro to many veterans out here but with over 17 years of riding experience and over 7 years of riding a hayabusa i would like to assume that i would know a thing or two than YOU would know when it comes to a superbike.

my bad i missed that fastest accelarating part.
yeah you definitely have more experience with busa while i get to ride busa only when the owner lets me,which is not too often,that' makes you a pro-busa rider not pro-sbk rider.

I am not here to take acceptance from you about my creditably. And if a person knows a thing or two about a hayabusa he WOULD know a thing or two about superbikes in general ! Anyways , i dont really think i would want to have any more conversation with you over things i know and you think you know.

@ronaq : lucky you . getting to choose between 2 SBK's . I'm still in the N250r phase lol . i ride my friend's busa regularly n the weight honestly doesn't matter unless you're pushing it . on the move its not hard to control or anything . I'm 6' 1" n its supremely comfy . My friend is 5'7" n is comfortable with it too , just took him a week to get used to it . he was in the same boat as you n found the R1 slightly edgier to use regularly he said the front end lifts up easily which he couldn't manage which's why he got the busa . if you wanna use daily get a busa n a R1 if you wanna use it on the track . ask Strider or Fireblah for inputs regarding the R1 . get good safety gear n ride safe mate .
just my 2cents . from my experience n my friend's input . i'm open to correction .

Cheers,
Balaji

I would say you are spot on man

@Ronak : Why not go for the Fireblade?? It's comfortable, looks good, comes with ABS and goes ballistic when needed. I'm pretty sure it would keep the smile on for many miles

The 14r may not be able to grab an old & respected title of the fastest... But there is no doubt that it is the quickest hypersport as on date... The 14 does corner way better than the Busa & many Busa riders n my close buddies who have been with me on rides would agree too... the everlasting debate is over post the 2012 14R launch...