Re: Which Two-stroker to buy?

hello buddy,

I am not at all talking about karol bagh. I know 95% of their bikes and parts are useless and pathetic. But there is a famous Yamaha specialist mechanic in pitam pura, near ND- market,
His name is Puppy bhaiya. You can contact him. His contact no. is- 09313010330

He used to work in Yamaha before. He also rebuild Yamaha bikes- Rx-100, Rx-135s, RXZs and even RD 350s.

Re: Which Two-stroker to buy?

I would suggest you to stay away from 2 stroke bikes. Your love for the performance would short live once you jump into this pit called 2 stroke. There are many to cheat with fake parts and lure with their designs and take away parts from your bike. Yes, I'm sounding discouraging here, no doubt. But just wanted you to spare the pain and save the money. Go for the KTM duke which offers if not the same but enough to keep you smiling. And and and...if at all money is the limitation, then you are welcome to this world of blue smoke!

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The Fiero was the only 4S bike of its time which gave a similar performance of the 2-Strokes.
The same engine is now re-tuned and the engine is now in the current TVS Apaches. The engine is also shorter-geared than the Fiero. So basically, you get the same feeling as the 2-strokes except the blue smoke and the tudh-tudh-tudh sound on the Apaches.
Apaches are faster in the low-end (3k-4k rpm) and lose their breath after 7k rpm.
You take Pulsar 180/220 in the comparison here, the Pulsars are opposite to the feel of 2-Strokes, the Pulsars has their powerband after 7k rpm, the point where the Apache i.e. a 2-Stroke loses its breath.

The above comparison is to show that the Apache has the same feel of a 2-stroke, the one which you wanted, and I wanted say a no to Pulsars because Pulsar is a typical 4-stroke, you need to rev high in the pulsar to feel the power.
So, go for Apache if you want the feel of 2-stroke, no headaches on the spare parts, good reliability, widespread TVS service network.
Pulsars also have all the plus points but it just doesnt have the 2-stroke feel.
But still, you wont get the grease-smelling hands that you get whenever you ride a 2-stroke!!!

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What is this sissy four joke talk all about, hello I thought this is the two stroke section and any such talk is going to be considered as blasphemy. Shree what happened with you? You have three 2 stroke bikes right? Why are you calling it a pit? Are you not happy with the restorations you did? Seriously if you are thinking of exiting the 2stroke world let me know, I would like to pickup the Z you got.

on a serious note(as if I was not serious so far) OP if you feel the desire to buy a 2Stroke read a lot. People will give you mixed responses, you don't have an option to test drive a showroom bike. So your decision should only be based on what you read. People said parts for the RD is impossible to get and I got the best stuff in the market delivered to me at my home. Since the Internet is there and if you have the means you can get showroom fresh NOS spares. Building an RX series Bike is easy and anyone can do it depends on how much patience you have

suzuki bikes were not sold in numbers so getting spares and selling spares is not easy, I have looked for stuff and tried selling easy moving stuff like the 90/100 kit and trust me had it been an rx kit it would have been sold in minutes. Pickup an RX you would love it, decide how much money you have and what condition you want to pick the bike.


period !

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Yes, if I have the papers alone (yes ofcourse in my name, papers of a old RX that I had in past), I can build a full RX with all the parts including frame, engine. If you give the frame and the engine to a Yamaha showroom along with the RC book, they will engrave the numbers and give it to you.
Then I will source each and every parts and I will have the newest RX but the registration will be old!

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[MENTION=73502]yam[/MENTION] Pramod, I have seen many many youngsters coming up with an idea of 2 stroke rebuild and their fancy way to reach their dream set up etc etc. I'll tell you, you'll most probably see them end up shelfing them up soon as they start seeing problems. I'll tell you with conviction that 2 stroke era are gone with times of you and me. Todays kids don't like to play with spanner set, touch grease tub, bend down to see what the bike got. I have personally seen few moving to modern bikes since their friends got so, and left these beautiful unattended and the rest of the story is well known.

My intention is not degrade 2 stroke, but it is not everybody's cup of coffee is my opinion. Only the guys born in an era where they had seen blue smokes prior to 4 stroke invasion knows the worth of these machines. They would not know the history, the breed line, series etc. forget about the 2 stroke combusion. It's ok if few RX are left to scrap, but to me it's a pain to look at those scrap brought back to life and again end up unattended.

Yes, I own three RXs, I have already made up my mind not to part with them to XYZ. Even if that situation araises, would only give to those who already owns a two stroke bike. Well, I would keep you in my mind when I decide to part my RXZ

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Ok so you are talking of puppy infact he lives quite near to my area so i know about his work, but there is one more guy named Rajesh malik who has got his shop in Mangol puri industrial area he also used to work in Yamaha factory and i have found him to be best till now, he also keeps genuine parts according to him, but recently i had to purchase a new carb so i mailed to companies back office and according to there reply they have stopped manufacturing this carbs long ago, instead they suggested me to go for lml nv carb, so how come these ex yamaha specialists are getting OE parts is quite amazing to me.

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If you are ready to take on the challenge or should i say (sweet headache) then you must definitely go for any Rx series bikes, apart from Rxz, but if you can arrange parts of Rxz then definitely this is the 2stoke bike one should purchase,all of the Rx series bikes were and are proper hooligan in there own area, i would suggest you to go with Rx-135, as the parts are relatively easily gettable, though for me it's tough to know that whether they are genuine or not, every bike has it's pros and cons you cant get a complete package, it's against the law of nature.

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Yes that is true, some youngsters think they can make easy money. I have seen shagged bikes, barely running and the guy asking 18k, just because he bought a bike and is thinking of making some quick buck out of the shelved project. I have not seen a single reasonably priced bike in Kerala.

True the new"er" generation lacks the commitment and conviction, but these bikes were never intended to be beautiful and loyal wifes, they were mistresses from day 1, some did turn to fulltime whores, that's when owners started hating them. Most of the mechs didn't know jack about these machines and they used to fix them to run. I have seen some very innovative jugads but that kept these bikes alive. I don't want to sell my bikes at a premium and neither I want them to be of scrap value. There is a definite attention & respect you get when you ride those pristine machines and that to me, my friend is pure satisfaction and fulfilment

its true that our generation resonates more with these bikes, these were the bikes we drooled on when we were in college and always wanted one, but could not buy one due to lack of funds or because some one had told your mom that Yamaha bikes have a lot of power and RD stands for rapid death . India is warming up to the culture of DIY and people have projects now happening in their own garage, its always better to get these projects if the owner is unable to complete it, fix it and flip it and make a small change. Since I could not own more bikes, because of restrictions from the home minister I can only buy projects fix them and flip them, but that's OT. Sri, I want these youngsters to create a demand in the market and I want Yamaha to look at us enthusiasts seriously and make some spares. The crux is a bike you can take a lot of parts for your RX from, almost all the cycle parts and a lot more, imagine that happening for other 2 stroke bikes as well, if there is a 4 stroke avatar then the spares would be cheaper.

I already own 2 bikes, both were gifts I can take a third one , seriously take them to the grave or pass them on to your next generation. You might have to cultivate the passion in your next generation, teach them the wonderful thinks a pipe wrench can do, I still remember that I knew all the spanner sizes when I was a 6 year old kid. I used to volunteer at a local mechs shop for 1-2 hours at that age, its when I my mom discovered it she was scared I might end up as a mech, I was not a white collar job and to my parents who were highly educated at that time, it was a taboo, so like every responsible mother she kept me away from that line of work, I was bought electronics hobby kits and then computers took over, but finally I found my poison, and my passion. when my mom sent me the RD from Delhi she never knew what I was capable of, she gave me a "Very Good" on a call, which was a bonus on an already fulfilling hobby.

To the OP, I hope you are able to relate that 2T oil runs through our veins, if you need to be in this elite group you need not buy a bike. Again, Read a lot and then decide.

Pramod

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hello buddy,

its good to hear that you have the same passion and love for 2-strokes as many other 2-stroke lovers. I understand that all parts may not be original. But they are quite good . I purchased my yamaha rx-135 4 speed in 2001, and it is maintained just like new even today in 2015. Its been a cumulative efforts of me and puppy. Even i have got some parts changed in the last 14 years, including lights, indicators, short handlebars, genuine leg guards, rims and tyres, and especially engine parts. I have never ever faced any problems regarding any spare parts or engine till now.
Infact, yamaha service centre near satwyati college in model town, screwed my bike's engine and puppy had to change it and fixed it.

As you have rightly said my friend, it indeed is a sweet headache. But in the end, it is worth. Because, you just can't describe the feeling , whenever you ride a well maintained 2-stroke. It indeed is something SPECIAL......

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I know where you're coming from, my cousin told me the same thing when I told him that I intended to buy a 2-stroker. He said it's too much of a headache running around for parts and mechanics taking you for a ride.

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So the Suzukis are off my list and I'm left with the RX135 and the RXZ. I'm leaning towards the RX135 (5S preferably) but if I can find an RXZ in decent condition I'd go for it. I recently saw a shining blue RX135 outside a mechanic's near my place, imma inquire if it's for sale and other details.

Also, what is the difference between the RX135 and RXZ in terms of power, performance, mileage, etc. Are their any significant improvements in the RXZ over the RX135?

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If I decide on not buying a 2-stroker due to said issues, I'll go for the naked Gixxer, seems like an allrounder of a bike, ticks all the boxes.

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Also, I'd like nothing better than to avoid mechanics and work on the bike myself as much as possible but it's a nightmare as I know jacksh1t about restoring bikes. How do I learn the basics of the mechanical aspects of a 2-stroker - trial and error, user manuals, browse the net and read about people who have restored their bikes to stock, or learn from an actual mechanic? For people who work on their bikes themselves, how did you build your knowledge regarding the workings of a motorcycle and replacing its parts, etc?

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Where do you live in delhi if you have time then i would like to meet you and see your bike in real, PM me if you can take out some time.

Re: Which Two-stroker to buy?

I have gone through all the posts in this thread, and here is what I have as a suggestion.

If you do not mind a not so exiciting( plain jane) 2 stroker, you may consider buying a suzuki samurai, or a Max 100 model. They are very reliable and you get majority of the engine parts even today as the same engined bike is exported to Africa. I had recently got my Samurai Rebored and it did not cost much for it. Even if you replace the entire Bore piston and Crank the rebuild will not cost more than 10 k ( including the labour charges).

so to summarize, if you not looking for a stroker that can rev like crazy and do 3 digit speeds, you might want to give the Samurai or Max 100's a thought as there are plenty of them down south and cheaply available in the second hand market.

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You are joking right? Reliability + samurai I agree, but will never give the RX series any kind of competition, secondly the body panels on the samurai is next to impossible to get. Max 100 is an insult to ride(no offences to the owners) these two bikes should not even be given a slightest thought. Samurai's are available for as low as 3k, there is a reason for that. Try taking a samurai to a mech you will hear some really creative excuses. I was planning to buy a samurai and convert it into a shogun, but my market research in the first few days made me think otherwise.

Pramod

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What is the Joke about, does the reply given by me not make it clear of Samurai/Max 100 capabilities. Leave out the decision to the original poster.

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Samurai's/Max100 were sold in good numbers than RX135 in the 1995-2000 time frame.
They were frugal compared to RX's and when the original owners had to sell their bikes for a new gen 4-stroke (better fuel economy again), they ended up in hands of mechanics, fish sellers etc. Slowly the price of used Suzuki's declined.
Coming to RX, a lot can be still seen around mostly because of youths who considered of owning one as a pride, who wanted to smoke others in quick drags with that loud exhaust note. They started searching for it and was ready to spend a fortune for owning one. Now RX is holding the highest resale value in sub 150cc 2-strokes' used market. Of course, it is a great bike!