Engine Oils

[FranklySpeaking]

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Yes, saw that. You had posted that image in January 2012.

He he, see this post of mine dated June 2010 where I had posted the same image, much before you, when you had not even joined xbhp.

http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/444615-post2559.html

But, who posted the image first is not the arguement here.

You misquoted me saying that I was telling the viscosity increased with increase in temperature, thus, I posted that only to clear things up.

[FranklySpeaking]

Some 10w40 grade oils for you.. Shell ax7 ss oil, shell advance ultra fs, motul 300v fs.. And many more.. You dont know that this grade is available!! Read more.

there is a link in my post.. Read it today.

My Lord! Please do not tell me that us poor people buying motorycles worth Rs. 45-50K will buy those fully synthetic oils costing Rs. 1000 a liter!

I am a poor man who owns an aging Pulsar and a Bullet, but I cannot afford these costly oils you have told. Companies would recommened oils that the people can buy. A person buying a second hand Splendor for Rs.10,000 does not have the option to buy this recommended Rs. 1000 a liter oil. Sorry!

In India, people buy Castrol and Servo. Neither these fancy oils nor the Harley Davidson Screaming Eagle!

[Rakesh.M]

Hello everyone..
Which oil is better for gladiator.. castrol power1 or gulf pride plus 20w40??
Guys.. need ur help desperately..

I need a xxW40 oil.. some people are suggesting yamalube..
Which 1 should I go for/??

[FranklySpeaking]

Hello everyone..
Which oil is better for gladiator.. castrol power1 or gulf pride plus 20w40??
Guys.. need ur help desperately..

I am assuming both oils are 20W40. If yes, see their API rating. Like, API SL or API SM or something else.

Go with the one that has higher rating. Like, SM is better than SL. SN is better than SM and so on.

Also, if both are SM/SN (I have not seen SN in India yet), see the JASO MA. I think Gulf oils would have JASO MA2, which is better for clutch in your motorcycle. See the website, go with it. I am too lazy to check the websites and compare on papers now.

[muztariq]

My Lord! Please do not tell me that us poor people buying motorycles worth Rs. 45-50K will buy those fully synthetic oils costing Rs. 1000 a liter!

I am a poor man who owns an aging Pulsar and a Bullet, but I cannot afford these costly oils you have told. Companies would recommened oils that the people can buy. A person buying a second hand Splendor for Rs.10,000 does not have the option to buy this recommended Rs. 1000 a liter oil. Sorry!

In India, people buy Castrol and Servo. Neither these fancy oils nor the Harley Davidson Screaming Eagle!

shell ax7 is 326 rs. Castrol power1 ss is 350 rs.
Quite nice efforts there in your 2010 posts.. Welcome back.
I didnt join at that time but i must have gained some knowledge from your posts too..
Knowledge comes to those who makes genuine effort to get it. I was also using servo on my splendor without knowing anything about the grade.. Have done extensive research on this subject.. Still a long way to go.. Some SAE articles are asking subscription money.. So left it right there.

[muztariq]

Hello everyone..
Which oil is better for gladiator.. castrol power1 or gulf pride plus 20w40??
Guys.. need ur help desperately..

I need a xxW40 oil.. some people are suggesting yamalube..
Which 1 should I go for/??

Motul/Yamalube (black bottle) 20w40, Shell AX7 10w40, Gulf 20w40, Elf moto gold, if you cant find these, lastly castrol power 1 15w40.

[FranklySpeaking]

I think you guys have had some really good discussions on oils. Will check that tomorrow once with a fresh mind. I see a new point here that has been brought up by you that a 20W50 does not really act as a 20 straight at cold and will probably act like a 30 straight? What viscosity base oil is used?

Will read up more tomorrow or soon some time and clear up my confusion. Thanks for the heads up.


I had posted an image here too, but it is something very basic now.

http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/universal-threads/4789-engine-oils-256.html#post444610

[Rakesh.M]

Motul/Yamalube (black bottle) 20w40, Shell AX7 10w40, Gulf 20w40, Elf moto gold, if you cant find these, lastly castrol power 1 15w40.

do u feel castrol power 1 is not up to the mark??/
please suggest me 1 name.. I'm too confused and have zero knowledge about oils..
was going through the previous posts.. some preferring motul, some gulf..
plz help me choose a company..
what about gulf pride plus 4t 20w40 ??

[Rakesh.M]

I am assuming both oils are 20W40. If yes, see their API rating. Like, API SL or API SM or something else.

Go with the one that has higher rating. Like, SM is better than SL. SN is better than SM and so on.

Also, if both are SM/SN (I have not seen SN in India yet), see the JASO MA. I think Gulf oils would have JASO MA2, which is better for clutch in your motorcycle. See the website, go with it. I am too lazy to check the websites and compare on papers now.

thanks..
this is what the website says.. for Gulf pride 4t plus
Performance Standards:
API SL and Valve Train Wear Requirements of API SM
JASO MA2/MA

then should I go for it/???

[FranklySpeaking]

Castrol Power 1 as well as Gulf Pride 4T is API SL and JASO MA2.


I would prefer Gulf for 2 reasons -
1. probability of getting a genuine pack is more.
2. Price of Gulf oil will be less because they seem to spend less on marketing.

[Rakesh.M]

Castrol Power 1 as well as Gulf Pride 4T is API SL and JASO MA2.


I would prefer Gulf for 2 reasons -
1. probability of getting a genuine pack is more.
2. Price of Gulf oil will be less because they seem to spend less on marketing.

Thanks buddy.. So i'll go for gulf..
should I get it at petrol pumps//? I didnt see any dealers here in kolkata..

one more thing... do engine oils enhance pickup/?? gladiator has a very slow low range pickup.. and I was wondering if an engine oil cud bring it back to track..
also.. gulf mentions a drainage interval of 10,000 kms which seems absurd to me.. should i change it at an interval of 4000 to 5000 kms/???

[madhav krishna]

Quote-"Oil becomes dry"
Unquote-Now that means your engine oil is either is getting oxidized or getting burnt.

Thats a basic law of nature. ANY liquid, may it be petrol or even engine oil does get evaporated when exposed to heat. The difference is just the rate of evaporation. So the extreme hard conditions an oil faces in an engine, its normal for the oil to evaporate & the level to go down but then again the rate of evaporation differs, from engine to engine.

100-200 ml is too much oil consumption,better change your oil within 2500 kms.

I can show you a couple of pulsars with my friends which have dried up almost all the oil in nearly 5000 kms only. (only some 200-300ml oil came out when drained) Their engines are in perfect conditions. But they do rip the bikes constantly.

Quote-"I will be changing the oil as soon as the engine turns harsher."

Unquote-But in your earlier post "Engine has become smooth with just a single top up of this oil."
You contradict yourself,when just a top-up makes engine smooth it means that your engine was running harsh earlier before top-up then why didn't you change oil ?

Now i feel that you are just in search of posts to criticise me & nothing else .
I never said my engine was running harsh before. Though i said that the engine had become smooth. With time the smoothness of an oil decreases since viscosity decreases. In my case the engine oil level gone down with time & hence the smoothness had decreased (a bit). But I dint mean to say the engine got harsher. Its just not as smooth as it earlier was when new oil was poured in. By saying "I will be changing the oil as soon as the engine turns harsher" i mean something completely on the higher side. And moreover the number of kms too would be coming under consideration.

When some 100ml of fresh oil goes in the engine does become somewhat smoother.
Anyways I dint made my post to be argued upon at all in the first place. I was just praising the oil only.

Quote-That is a normal phenomenon with any bike
Unquote-Because SS are not meant to be used for more than 3000kms.

Use an engine oil which is you can afford and change it regularly.

Since many are not able to understand my line "I will be changing the oil as soon as the engine turns harsher" please let me explain it in another way.
I have spent a good 22000kms & 30 months with my bike. So I know when to change the oil & other factors.

If you say that the particular oil cant last more than say 3000kms, thats fine & thanks for the suggestion. But please stop insisting on it. One person said it, thats enough & i even replied to it with gratitude. Now all consequent persons insisting on the same doesnt make any sense to me I intend to see how the oil fares on a long time usage.

I am not able to understand what you post,I am out of this thread for now.

Sorry for my english . But there was nothing to understand in my post. Oil level is down & i top it up with another oil. Thats it.

+1 to shoeb.. Felt his questions were very valid and he was very much concerned for the biker but what reply he got was unexpected from a senior member.

Ohh is it?? Funny that even i felt the same about your first two posts. The difference is just that I suggested him to refer a few pages back about his first question & you referred to be high & all. Though i do realise that my answer for his last question was rude to which am sorry.

Even i considered you as a knowledgeable person & considered you as an experienced person since i followed your previous posts from a long time. But as you said, perceptions do change.

guys. sorry to interfere.
let's keep the topic informative.
let us stop our egos flying.
we all are members of a same club named xbhp.
we are brothers.
: )

happy safe riding.

+100 to it.
Am happy that theres someone who has bothered to interfere.
Thanks for reminding me that we are all brothers should not bring in our egos.

@ALL:- My post regarding the top up was not at at all about something to be continued on. I made that post just to praise the oil & to make people aware of that particular oil i used for top up.

So PEACE. Lets keep the forum healthy & active.

[muztariq]

Thanks buddy.. So i'll go for gulf..
should I get it at petrol pumps//? I didnt see any dealers here in kolkata..

one more thing... do engine oils enhance pickup/?? gladiator has a very slow low range pickup.. and I was wondering if an engine oil cud bring it back to track..
also.. gulf mentions a drainage interval of 10,000 kms which seems absurd to me.. should i change it at an interval of 4000 to 5000 kms/???

Following the manual's recommendation is a safe bet.. 3000 km (max 4000 kms)
Castrol power1 increases pick up.. but the oil start to show awkward pitch dark color from 500 km itself. The quality is not so good in comparison to gulf.

[prajnyan]

Hello everyone..
Which oil is better for gladiator.. castrol power1 or gulf pride plus 20w40??
Guys.. need ur help desperately..

I need a xxW40 oil.. some people are suggesting yamalube..
Which 1 should I go for/??

Yamalube is the first best choice. If you cant find it then i highly recommend the Motul 20w40 Mineral.
If both these above oil are unavailable, only then Gulf pride is okay, and nope 10k is not possible, change it at around 2500-4000km, depending on service, or when you feel pickup drop, you see the oil turn brown grey black. Be careful of castrol duplicates.

[Honda_CBF]

Yamalube is the first best choice. If you cant find it then i highly recommend the Motul 20w40 Mineral.
If both these above oil are unavailable, only then Gulf pride is okay, and nope 10k is not possible, change it at around 2500-4000km, depending on service, or when you feel pickup drop, you see the oil turn brown grey black. Be careful of castrol duplicates.

+1 to the choice of oil.
Just change the oils listed above under 2500km, better at 2000km.
@ Rakesh ji,
dont bother about the pickup (or top speed) much. An oil can do least to it. Gladi is a tall geared bike. Its 3rd 4th & 5th are much taller in comparison with other bikes in its league. (that's why the top speed of 105kmph)
if bike is not behaving like earlier then oil is not the thing to looked at.