Engine Oils

[pioneeraron]

What is the present MRP of this oil?
I bought it for Rs 600 from the ELF dealer when the MRP was Rs 725 six months ago.

I've used this oil on Unicorn and Fazer, works good for 4000kms.

I bought it for Rs.720/- 07/11 packed

@muztariq

Buddy Total Quartz 9000 is costing 3600/- :O how come u got it that costly??
How old engines are you talking about buddy?? I cant use synthetics on a classic cbz??

[s1d]

I bought it for Rs.720/- 07/11 packed

@muztariq

Buddy Total Quartz 9000 is costing 3600/- :O how come u got it that costly??
How old engines are you talking about buddy?? I cant use synthetics on a classic cbz??

go ahead and use it i think the cbz classic's grade is 20w40.. 10w50 should also be ok, use it and let us know your feedback.
just make sure the cylinder head/crank case area is clean and after using this oil, observe for any leaks, and if there are leaks change the gaskets preferably using a gasket sealant along with new gaskets.

[pioneeraron]

Ya classic cbz's grade is 20w40.It's sad that no fully synthetic oil comes in this grade.Motul 7100 is being going strong for now 1500kms and no sign of ageing yet.How's the acceleration in the Elf 10w50 FS??

[s1d]

Ya classic cbz's grade is 20w40.It's sad that no fully synthetic oil comes in this grade.Motul 7100 is being going strong for now 1500kms and no sign of ageing yet.How's the acceleration in the Elf 10w50 FS??

Shell Advance Ultra 10w40 is FS i personally wouldnt use a FS xxW50 oil on a cbz classic, especially with the colder months ahead. If you are going ahead with the 10w50 elf i suggest you warm up the engine for a minute or two before moving off(which is anyway a good practice even otherwise).. and let me know how this oil performs (after 200kms).

[pioneeraron]

Shell Advance Ultra 10w40 is FS i personally wouldnt use a FS xxW50 oil on a cbz classic, especially with the colder months ahead. If you are going ahead with the 10w50 elf i suggest you warm up the engine for a minute or two before moving off(which is anyway a good practice even otherwise).. and let me know how this oil performs (after 200kms).

I heat up the engine for a minute or two always before im good to go :-D Ya il give the feedback of Elf as soon as i pour it and run it around.

[Natfx7]

I have Pulsar 180 UG4 since 3 years. The recommended engine oil for this bike is 20W50 but I always used Castrol 20W40 as I can't find it at any nearby shops since 3 years but recently I purchased a Castrol Active Xtra 20W50 in Castrol show room in Kukatpally which is in Hyderabad as one of my friend said I will get it over there. I saw the Castrol show room 2 years ago but the thought of buying 20W50 in that shop never occured in my mind as I kept thinking that it is only a service center not a shop. The thought of visiting this website for knowing about engine oil differences never occured in my mind until now. Strange thing is local nearby shops won't sell Castrol 20W50 at all but they sell lots of Castrol 20W40 and Power one. I don't know the reason behind it.

The difference that I noticed between 20W50 and 20W40 is that when the bike is idle at 1500 rpm in neutral then 20W50 sounds a little louder than 20W40. With 20W50 If I adjust the idle screw to 1200 rpm then this sound is equal to the sound that I used to get with 20W40 at 1500 rpm. Obviously idle rpm will show less before 1st ride in the morning.

My bike is so far so good. Many thanks to xbhp.

[rossyamaha46]

Hey guys!
I am close to an oil change on my bike,and I wanted a recommendation for a cheap oil just to use as a flushing agent for my bikes engine.
I was thinking of going for the Mak 4T oil,I don't know its exact price though.
If there is any other cheaper oil that I can use please mention it here.
Thank you!

BTW it is for the Pulsar 150 dts-i.

[Honda_CBF]

Hey guys!I am close to an oil change on my bike,and I wanted a recommendation for a cheap oil just to use as a flushing agent for my bikes engine. I was thinking of going for the Mak 4T oil,I don't know its exact price though.If there is any other cheaper oil that I can use please mention it here.Thank you!BTW it is for the Pulsar 150 dts-i.

mak's price was around Rs200. Valvoline champ 20w40 was also 200. Both are good oils, but haven't tried them with any flushing oil. Down here a petronas oil is available at around 180, never tried it though (i feel it is a local rebadged oil). Also if your recommendation is 20w50 then stick to it. Cheapest oil in this grade is from mak.

[muztariq]

Hey guys!I am close to an oil change on my bike,and I wanted a recommendation for a cheap oil just to use as a flushing agent for my bikes engine. I was thinking of going for the Mak 4T oil,I don't know its exact price though.If there is any other cheaper oil that I can use please mention it here.Thank you!BTW it is for the Pulsar 150 dts-i.

i dont think you should flush the engine with oil. Its not required at all. You will just waste 1 litre of oil nothing else.For engine flushing, use cyclo engine flush or any other brand. These contain high dispersants which will clean your engine. Flushing 50 ml - 100 ml old oil is not recommended. Just imagine the same to be done on diesel cars with 6-7 litres of oil capacity.

[shoeb2015]

Hey guys!
I am close to an oil change on my bike,and I wanted a recommendation for a cheap oil just to use as a flushing agent for my bikes engine.
I was thinking of going for the Mak 4T oil,I don't know its exact price though.
If there is any other cheaper oil that I can use please mention it here.
Thank you!

BTW it is for the Pulsar 150 dts-i.

Any particular reason for flushing ? If you have been changing the engine oil regularly as per the recommended interval then there is NO NEED for an kind of flush.
I would flush the engine only if I had skipped an oil change or if the bike was sitting idle for more than 6 months.

[chinmayakar]

Now that we are discussing Engine Oils here I have an interesting experience to share. I ride a Joeled 220 (230 cc now). I completed the mods in stages with a gap of 1 year in between. Before the Mods, I used Bajaj DTSI oil, and was not quite happy with it. Engine used to make lot of noise after hard riding or a long ride. I then performed some basic Mods on my bike (head work and all), and switched to Motul 5100. Though performance was not mind blowing (performance of the oil), it was slightly better than Bajaj oil. However, I noticed one thing though, when the Engine was cold it performed very well, however as the temperature rose, I could feel loss in performance. I used Motul for almost a year.
Finally Last month I got the Big Bore, Bigger Carb, Simota Filter and to run in the bike I used Bajaj Dtsi oil. This is the most astonishing part. Bike was responding very well with Bajaj Oil. Something I missed previously and something that even Motul could not provide. I thought may be it is initial stages of running in as I was not too hard on throttle. After 500 KMs I changed the oil again and went for Bajaj Oil. This time I started opening the throttle, with red lining in almost every gear, and I was surprised with the way Bajaj Oil was holding up.
Yesterday I changed the Oil again and went for Motul 5100 as I had 2 cans lying at my place. With Motul again same issue, everything is good when engine cold, but as the temperature rises I can feel the difference.
This completely baffles me. At one side I have Bajaj Oil, not so expensive giving the kind of experience I wanted, and on the other end theres mighty Motul which hasn't given me the Wow experience I expected out of it.
Could this be because of the Big Bore? May be it has developed a liking for cheaper Bajaj Oil now Because a couple of experts did check the bike and were of the opinion that the new piston and block is the best a P220 can have. Its perfectly mated to the head. Also, Bajaj oil is 20w50 while Motul is 15w50. May be the extra viscosity is coming into play here. Just a wild guess. Or may be Bajaj has actually improved the quality of the oil.

[muztariq]

Now that we are discussing Engine Oils here I have an interesting experience to share. I ride a Joeled 220 (230 cc now). I completed the mods in stages with a gap of 1 year in between. Before the Mods, I used Bajaj DTSI oil, and was not quite happy with it. Engine used to make lot of noise after hard riding or a long ride. I then performed some basic Mods on my bike (head work and all), and switched to Motul 5100. Though performance was not mind blowing (performance of the oil), it was slightly better than Bajaj oil. However, I noticed one thing though, when the Engine was cold it performed very well, however as the temperature rose, I could feel loss in performance. I used Motul for almost a year.
Finally Last month I got the Big Bore, Bigger Carb, Simota Filter and to run in the bike I used Bajaj Dtsi oil. This is the most astonishing part. Bike was responding very well with Bajaj Oil. Something I missed previously and something that even Motul could not provide. I thought may be it is initial stages of running in as I was not too hard on throttle. After 500 KMs I changed the oil again and went for Bajaj Oil. This time I started opening the throttle, with red lining in almost every gear, and I was surprised with the way Bajaj Oil was holding up.
Yesterday I changed the Oil again and went for Motul 5100 as I had 2 cans lying at my place. With Motul again same issue, everything is good when engine cold, but as the temperature rises I can feel the difference.
This completely baffles me. At one side I have Bajaj Oil, not so expensive giving the kind of experience I wanted, and on the other end theres mighty Motul which hasn't given me the Wow experience I expected out of it.
Could this be because of the Big Bore? May be it has developed a liking for cheaper Bajaj Oil now Because a couple of experts did check the bike and were of the opinion that the new piston and block is the best a P220 can have. Its perfectly mated to the head. Also, Bajaj oil is 20w50 while Motul is 15w50. May be the extra viscosity is coming into play here. Just a wild guess. Or may be Bajaj has actually improved the quality of the oil.

that is my kind of experience.. When i was on shell ultra 10w40 after a 20 km ride the engine used to overheat, but the cold performance of bike in less than 20 km was amazing. I attributed it to something to do with breaking in the bike as i used it at around 4000 km on the odo (new bike). Now i am on shell delvac 15w40 and the performance is quite good and there is no overheating. The bike's performance has also improved.
Using thicker oil does reduce engine overheating. Mobil 15w40 is thicker and stickier than shell 10w40 at all temperatures.
Contrary to what we are made to believe, fs oils does not provide a cure to an engine thats overheating. A thicker oil is better.

please read shell delvac as mobil delvac.Unable to edit, opera mini software problem.

[s1d]

Finally Last month I got the Big Bore, Bigger Carb, Simota Filter and to run in the bike I used Bajaj Dtsi oil.
This completely baffles me. At one side I have Bajaj Oil, not so expensive giving the kind of experience I wanted, and on the other end theres mighty Motul which hasn't given me the Wow experience I expected out of it.
Could this be because of the Big Bore? May be it has developed a liking for cheaper Bajaj Oil now Because a couple of experts did check the bike and were of the opinion that the new piston and block is the best a P220 can have. Its perfectly mated to the head. Also, Bajaj oil is 20w50 while Motul is 15w50. May be the extra viscosity is coming into play here. Just a wild guess. Or may be Bajaj has actually improved the quality of the oil.

i have used the bajaj oil on a p220fi for a couple of months(around 1400km), and it just went about doing its job, never had any overheating/roughess/gear shift/clutch probs & this was on a bike that had done 30k km.. even did a couple of nonstop 100km runs.. but i doubt it would last 10k kms as claimed! ,maybe 2500-3000km max is what i would give it.. and in your case looks like your bike is responding well on the bajaj oil, so be it.. some bikes respond differently to same oils .. too many factors to point out what could be the cause.. so.. to each his own

that is my kind of experience.. When i was on shell ultra 10w40 after a 20 km ride the engine used to overheat, but the cold performance of bike in less than 20 km was amazing. I attributed it to something to do with breaking in the bike as i used it at around 4000 km on the odo (new bike). Now i am on shell delvac 15w40 and the performance is quite good and there is no overheating. The bike's performance has also improved.
Using thicker oil does reduce engine overheating. Mobil 15w40 is thicker and stickier than shell 10w40 at all temperatures.
Contrary to what we are made to believe, fs oils does not provide a cure to an engine thats overheating. A thicker oil is better.

please read shell delvac as mobil delvac.Unable to edit, opera mini software problem.

you are on a Diesel engine oil.. i've read these diesel oils have a greater proportion/strengths of 'detergent'/'cleansing' agent in them.. i hope it doesn't cause the clutch plates on our puny motorcycles to 'disintegrate/eat away'

[B7ACKTHORN]

Now that we are discussing Engine Oils here I have an interesting experience to share. I ride a Joeled 220 (230 cc now). I completed the mods in stages with a gap of 1 year in between. Before the Mods, I used Bajaj DTSI oil, and was not quite happy with it. Engine used to make lot of noise after hard riding or a long ride. I then performed some basic Mods on my bike (head work and all), and switched to Motul 5100. Though performance was not mind blowing (performance of the oil), it was slightly better than Bajaj oil. However, I noticed one thing though, when the Engine was cold it performed very well, however as the temperature rose, I could feel loss in performance. I used Motul for almost a year.
Finally Last month I got the Big Bore, Bigger Carb, Simota Filter and to run in the bike I used Bajaj Dtsi oil. This is the most astonishing part. Bike was responding very well with Bajaj Oil. Something I missed previously and something that even Motul could not provide. I thought may be it is initial stages of running in as I was not too hard on throttle. After 500 KMs I changed the oil again and went for Bajaj Oil. This time I started opening the throttle, with red lining in almost every gear, and I was surprised with the way Bajaj Oil was holding up.
Yesterday I changed the Oil again and went for Motul 5100 as I had 2 cans lying at my place. With Motul again same issue, everything is good when engine cold, but as the temperature rises I can feel the difference.
This completely baffles me. At one side I have Bajaj Oil, not so expensive giving the kind of experience I wanted, and on the other end theres mighty Motul which hasn't given me the Wow experience I expected out of it.
Could this be because of the Big Bore? May be it has developed a liking for cheaper Bajaj Oil now Because a couple of experts did check the bike and were of the opinion that the new piston and block is the best a P220 can have. Its perfectly mated to the head. Also, Bajaj oil is 20w50 while Motul is 15w50. May be the extra viscosity is coming into play here. Just a wild guess. Or may be Bajaj has actually improved the quality of the oil.

The prefix in an engine oil denotes the thickness of the oil and the lubrication it can provide in colder conditions, the lesser the more "flowable" the oil becomes and higher the prefix, the more time it takes the engine oil to circulate fully inside the engine.

That being said, Bajaj Oil is not all crap for the most part. And you're right about Motul, me being a Motul user for years, I can vouch to your point of the cold performance and once the engine gets heated up, it's all a different story. Though there is a little harshness from cold to hot from Motul, the performance is almost, always the same. There isn't any significant performance drop when heated up.

Oil just lubricates the engine, be it any oil. You can just pour the 20w40 in your P220 and run for miles, the bike would just run, run and run (don't do that) without any problems.

Engine oil, is subject to individual choice. Some find the the best oil not up to mark than the local ones. If you're happy with one oil brand, stick with it. The more you think about it, the more you just get confused.

How many P220 owners do you think follow the standard 15w50 procedure? Very few if you ask me, and I myself have proof

Cheers!
VJ

[pioneeraron]

@muztariq

Buddy ur using a car engine oil in ur 2wheeler.Please do not do this.You will feel better response and smoothness but at some cost.Car engine oils are made for dry clutch plates while 2wheelers are made for wet clutch plates.You will screw your clutch plates in the long run sooner or later.Drain it ASAP!!