Engine Oils

[muztariq]

I have ageneral query regarding oil change

i have bought a pulsar200ns on this dushera(24th oct)

The first service is at 1 month and next is at 8 months(at first service will have odo reading of just about 200-225km)

so is one supposed to change the oil in between 1st and second service?

i know the bajaj oil doesnt hold up long and after reaching abt 2.5K one should change his oil

but what if someone like me wont even complete 2K kms by second service
should i change the oil in between?

the next part of the query is should i change oil based on the no. of kms travelled (yes i know it depends on type of oil mineral semi or full synthetic...lets consider mineral with a drain period of 2.5-3K kms) or should i change with the amount of time used mostly have heard 3-4 months?

eg my riding is very less and i ride hardly 250-300km a month

if i go by distance my oil changing frequency would be 8-9 months

so should i change after 8-9 months or should i change after 4 months or usage?

is this oil changing pattern u suggest valid for all mineral semi and full synthetic?

If the first service happens before 500 km.. one should change the oil second time at around 1000 km. It takes around 1000 km for the metallic parts to 'settle down' after rubbing off against each other.
After that, if the manual says wxyz km for every oil change.. try changing oil every 3 months or 4 months on mineral or ss oils even if you do xyz kms only (like manual says every 3000 km and you do only 999 kms by that time) If you have a FS.. every 6 months or 4000 - 5000 kms (whichever comes earlier)

What the manual of my bike says -
First oil change within 30 days or 1000 kms (whichever comes early)
Second oil change at 2000 km (on the fresh oil)
Third and subsequent oil changes - Every 3000 kms.

My first oil change at first service was at around 500-600 kms, second at 1000 km on the dot, third at 1600 km (forced to change as Crapstrol got unbearable after 600 kms) etc etc.

[RascalAngel]

I just changed engine oil in my Splendor.The oil level had reached to a point where it dint even touch the tip of the oil cap stem.I have attached a photo of the drained oil. Its dark black and all this at just 2k(usual period of 2.5k).


can anyone suggest me what is wrong with the engine?i used wurth brand of oil.

[B7ACKTHORN]

I just changed engine oil in my Splendor.The oil level had reached to a point where it dint even touch the tip of the oil cap stem.I have attached a photo of the drained oil. Its dark black and all this at just 2k(usual period of 2.5k).
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can anyone suggest me what is wrong with the engine?i used wurth brand of oil.

The oil is deep black suggesting the oil has did its job really well, plus a lot of carbon deposits inside the engine. It's good you changed your engine oil.

Cheers!
VJ

[RascalAngel]

The oil is deep black suggesting the oil has did its job really well, plus a lot of carbon deposits inside the engine. It's good you changed your engine oil.

Cheers!
VJ

Its been the same story for few changes now.What concerns me is the level to which the oil reduced after just 2000km(500ml) and how black it got.Is this normal or my oil is getting burnt?

[shoeb2015]

Its been the same story for few changes now.What concerns me is the level to which the oil reduced after just 2000km(500ml) and how black it got.Is this normal or my oil is getting burnt?

No,it is not at all normal. That is a classic symptom of worn-out piston rings.
Please check out the Splendor thread and post your query there.

[Pinaki]

i have bought a pulsar200ns on this dushera(24th oct)
The first service is at 1 month and next is at 8 months(at first service will have odo reading of just about 200-225km)
so is one supposed to change the oil in between 1st and second service?
i know the bajaj oil doesnt hold up long and after reaching abt 2.5K one should change his oil

but what if someone like me wont even complete 2K kms by second service
should i change the oil in between?

the next part of the query is should i change oil based on the no. of kms travelled (yes i know it depends on type of oil mineral semi or full synthetic...lets consider mineral with a drain period of 2.5-3K kms) or should i change with the amount of time used mostly have heard 3-4 months?
eg my riding is very less and i ride hardly 250-300km a month
if i go by distance my oil changing frequency would be 8-9 months
so should i change after 8-9 months or should i change after 4 months or usage?
is this oil changing pattern u suggest valid for all mineral semi and full synthetic?

Both distance & time are equal limiting factors . Most oil companies recommend 6 months or 3000kms , whichever comes earlier under normal riding conditions .
This is because, once poured in and circulating in the engine, oil starts to oxidize and acidify and go bad at a certain rate that continues whether you use the bike much or not . Plus you have to consider the large amount of metal particles shed by a new engine internally(you can actually see this fine metal particles in your first drained oil - check it ) . Next is the conditions you ride and store your bike in . High ambient temperatures , poor air-quality and high pollution levels, coastal climates , humid weather , high dust or desert , high clutch and gear shift and brake usage , constant low-rpm riding in dense city traffic , old/worn high mileage engines, untimely and/or poor quality maintenance, short-hop riding frequently turning the engine on & off , constant high-rpm riding for long distance etc all constitutes severe riding conditions and reduces oil-life .

Remember - i) stressed IC 4-stroke engines(that bikes have) love fresh oil (ii) oil is still quite cheap insurance (iii) I have never seen a motorcycle engine damaged by changing oil more frequently than necessary .

So , oil change for a new bike before first 500kms , next one before 1000 and then every 2000 kms thereafter , or 4 months , whichever comes earlier . Approximately of course . You should not extend the drain period beyond 6 months even if you ride 100 kms within this time . This applies for any oil type . With your riding pattern , I'd fill with the cheapest 20w50/15w50 mineral oil I could find and drain it every 4 months . Do not depend upon the ASC/mechanic to change your oil, every biker should be able to basic maintenance like an oil-change - just follow the owner's manual and try it . Drain your old oil hot and dispose of it in an environment friendly way .

[hotheadbeast]

oil source in delhi

im too much fed up... still cant find valvoline 20w50 for my pulse 150, dey have only 20w40, i searched whole karol bagh in delhi.... is there any other place in delhi where i can get it exactly......... i've been constantly searching for valvoline 4t premium synthetic 20w50

[B7ACKTHORN]

im too much fed up... still cant find valvoline 20w50 for my pulse 150, dey have only 20w40, i searched whole karol bagh in delhi.... is there any other place in delhi where i can get it exactly......... i've been constantly searching for valvoline 4t premium synthetic 20w50

Not really you'd have to want to use the 15w50 necessarily. You can use the 15w40 or 20w40 without a problem.
Cheers!
VJ

[Natfx7]

Hotheadbeast,
I haven't noticed any great change in mileage but the engine nourishment is better than 20W40 with a slight noise like a
fountain. My mileage is more or less the same 39km/liter in city and 44km/liter in high ways.
I never used Valvoline in my bike.

Valvoline 20W50: Lubricants ::Valvoline Cummins::
Location : Gurgaon in Haryana: Contact Us ::Valvoline Cummins::
I can't believe how your Pulsar 150 UG 4.5 gives only 35 km/liter. I heard it gives more than 45km/liter but I am not sure.
Keep the bike in center stand and check whether your front and rear tyre spins freely for atleast 5 seconds.
If not,then remove the front side small panel with an 8mm T-spanner which covers the chain sproket but not the gearbox
and remove the dirty junk on the chain sproket. Don't ride your bike above 50km/hr for the 1st 500km.
For mileage issue complaint it here

http://agni.bajajauto.co.in:7081/WebCCReports/WebCC/showCustomerRequest.do

which I got in customer care option in
Bajaj Auto - Bikes in India | Bike Prices | New Bikes | Buy Bikes Online | Two Wheeler Manufacturer India | Latest Motorcycles India | Sports Bikes

[hotheadbeast]

Hotheadbeast,
I haven't noticed any great change in mileage but the engine nourishment is better than 20W40 with a slight noise like a
fountain. My mileage is more or less the same 39km/liter in city and 44km/liter in high ways.
I never used Valvoline in my bike.

Valvoline 20W50: Lubricants ::Valvoline Cummins::
Location : Gurgaon in Haryana: Contact Us ::Valvoline Cummins::
I can't believe how your Pulsar 150 UG 4.5 gives only 35 km/liter. I heard it gives more than 45km/liter but I am not sure.
Keep the bike in center stand and check whether your front and rear tyre spins freely for atleast 5 seconds.
If not,then remove the front side small panel with an 8mm T-spanner which covers the chain sproket but not the gearbox
and remove the dirty junk on the chain sproket. Don't ride your bike above 50km/hr for the 1st 500km.
For mileage issue complaint it here

http://agni.bajajauto.co.in:7081/WebCCReports/WebCC/showCustomerRequest.do

which I got in customer care option in
Bajaj Auto - Bikes in India | Bike Prices | New Bikes | Buy Bikes Online | Two Wheeler Manufacturer India | Latest Motorcycles India | Sports Bikes

Thankx a lot brodaa.. its olved my whole problem.. i'll visit gurgaon tomorrow only

[RascalAngel]

No,it is not at all normal. That is a classic symptom of worn-out piston rings.
Please check out the Splendor thread and post your query there.

Thanks.yeah will check there!

[mayank.travadi]

Both distance & time are equal limiting factors . Most oil companies recommend 6 months or 3000kms , whichever comes earlier under normal riding conditions .
This is because, once poured in and circulating in the engine, oil starts to oxidize and acidify and go bad at a certain rate that continues whether you use the bike much or not . Plus you have to consider the large amount of metal particles shed by a new engine internally(you can actually see this fine metal particles in your first drained oil - check it ) . Next is the conditions you ride and store your bike in . High ambient temperatures , poor air-quality and high pollution levels, coastal climates , humid weather , high dust or desert , high clutch and gear shift and brake usage , constant low-rpm riding in dense city traffic , old/worn high mileage engines, untimely and/or poor quality maintenance, short-hop riding frequently turning the engine on & off , constant high-rpm riding for long distance etc all constitutes severe riding conditions and reduces oil-life .

Remember - i) stressed IC 4-stroke engines(that bikes have) love fresh oil (ii) oil is still quite cheap insurance (iii) I have never seen a motorcycle engine damaged by changing oil more frequently than necessary .

So , oil change for a new bike before first 500kms , next one before 1000 and then every 2000 kms thereafter , or 4 months , whichever comes earlier . Approximately of course . You should not extend the drain period beyond 6 months even if you ride 100 kms within this time . This applies for any oil type . With your riding pattern , I'd fill with the cheapest 20w50/15w50 mineral oil I could find and drain it every 4 months . Do not depend upon the ASC/mechanic to change your oil, every biker should be able to basic maintenance like an oil-change - just follow the owner's manual and try it . Drain your old oil hot and dispose of it in an environment friendly way .

thank you very much for the tips

i am getting my irst service at 200km then will change the oil myself to motul mineral oil at 1000km
then will get the bajaj oil at second service

since my riding isnt much can i follow the following service pattern?

service at the bajaj ASC and use the bajaj oil for 2000km(or 4 months)

then drain the oil and pour in mineral motul oil and use for 3000km(or 4 months) and after than again go for servicing?
so i will be changing oil at 4 months and getting services done at 8 months interval?

obviously this is all after the free and paid services


One more question is that how can we dispose of oil in an environmentally friendly manner?
I could give it to a local mechanic or bike repair shop but it'll always keep bugging me in mind that he will dupe some customer and pour in my used oil for him

[B7ACKTHORN]

thank you very much for the tips

i am getting my irst service at 200km then will change the oil myself to motul mineral oil at 1000km
then will get the bajaj oil at second service

since my riding isnt much can i follow the following service pattern?

service at the bajaj ASC and use the bajaj oil for 2000km(or 4 months)

then drain the oil and pour in mineral motul oil and use for 3000km(or 4 months) and after than again go for servicing?
so i will be changing oil at 4 months and getting services done at 8 months interval?

obviously this is all after the free and paid services

Yes, you can follow the above pattern. And as the fellow member, and as I've quoted earlier, whichever comes either KM or the due date, just follow the free service, since that is the period you need to be extra careful, just for warranty sake. Other than that, it's just as normal as you do, change as you ride method

One more question is that how can we dispose of oil in an environmentally friendly manner?
I could give it to a local mechanic or bike repair shop but it'll always keep bugging me in mind that he will dupe some customer and pour in my used oil for him

Honestly, you should dispose the used oil in a box named "environmental hazard substances" trash bin, which is rare or isn't even mandated even in big cities or streets for that matter. So a wise idea would be to leave the oil in ASC if you happen to change in ASC, as they send the containers back to the manufacturing company for disposal.

Honestly, no one cares! Truth be told. If you do change the oil locally, it's all simple, stock the oil in a used can and then either take it for yourself and burn it elsewhere in an unknown place. For this all you need is waste clothes and some twigs, pour the oil and set it on fire. Make sure you are there, until you the entire blaze sets off. You don't wanna create any forest fire

Or just leave it at at the local mech, he will however use it for general lubrication purposes. That said no one is gonna go for a used oil or can be fooled for that matter, unless one's so dumb or blind! So forget that!

Cheers!
VJ

[Pinaki]

.... since my riding isnt much can i follow the following service pattern?

One more question is that how can we dispose of oil in an environmentally friendly manner?
I could give it to a local mechanic or bike repair shop but it'll always keep bugging me in mind that he will dupe some customer and pour in my used oil for him

Yes , you can do this , as long as the bike gets it's fresh oil in time , it doesn't care about the brand or who fills it . It's quite difficult to find a place that will recycle or dispose your used oil properly here . Nowadays I hand it to a local bakery+sweets & confectionery maker who have oil fired furnaces or ovens or chullahas, whatever you call em . They use all kinds of waste oils in their fuel mixture (along with diesel I think) .
Used oil has enough lubricity left for general lubrication purposes at home and can be also used by machinery shops , sawmills , earth moving and construction equipment or large chain drives etc etc .

Honestly, you should dispose the used oil in a box named "environmental hazard substances" trash bin, which is rare or isn't even mandated even in big cities or streets for that matter. So a wise idea would be to leave the oil in ASC if you happen to change in ASC, as they send the containers back to the manufacturing company for disposal.

Honestly, no one cares! Truth be told. If you do change the oil locally, it's all simple, stock the oil in a used can and then either take it for yourself and burn it elsewhere in an unknown place. For this all you need is waste clothes and some twigs, pour the oil and set it on fire. Make sure you are there, until you the entire blaze sets off. You don't wanna create any forest fire

Or just leave it at at the local mech, he will however use it for general lubrication purposes. That said no one is gonna go for a used oil or can be fooled for that matter, unless one's so dumb or blind! So forget that! ..

ASCs , local mechanics , big truck & bus depots , petrol-pumps , car service stations etc etc all hand it over to a collector who comes to them from time to time(on 3-wheelers with oil drums on the back carriage) . They process used oil into clean oil , add some stuff & colours to it and it comes back on the shop-shelves in shiny new packs, duplicate of all the popular brands . There is a cottage industry of this in various parts of India . Didn't you know this ?

[B7ACKTHORN]

ASCs , local mechanics , big truck & bus depots , petrol-pumps , car service stations etc etc all hand it over to a collector who comes to them from time to time(on 3-wheelers with oil drums on the back carriage) . They process used oil into clean oil , add some stuff & colours to it and it comes back on the shop-shelves in shiny new packs, duplicate of all the popular brands . There is a cottage industry of this in various parts of India . Didn't you know this ?

Well, yes and no. Yes for the part, they recycle the used oil, no for the part that even local mechs hand it over them. One of my friend used to work as a mechanic for the Local Govt Bus Stand. What he claims is, they drain the old oil from buses, and fill them in the same used barrels, and when their loads are full, an empty truck comes to load up all that used oil and takes them to some unknown place, at least this is what I heard. And after that yes, either they use it as cooking oil or they recycle, god knows what's next.

But to the questioner of the previous post, I just want the answer to be simple are crisp and not bring too much of a confusion to him

Cheers!
VJ