Engine Oils

[muztariq]

Hi guys,

So I had given my bike for servicing in a Honda Authorised Service Centre (my dealer's only) and because they only stock 10W30 and I use 20W40, I told them to not do an oil change since I would do it myself. The person there then asked me to add Nulon and I again refused saying that I put in good quality Shell Oil so not to do anything with the engine oil at all. Again I specifically told him no Nulon treatment please!!!!

Well guess what, the stupid buggers added the Nulon and charged me Rs125 (w/Tax) for it . I was pissed off and obviously I fought with them and told them that bullshit I had told them to not add anything and yet they added Nulon and are now freaking charging me for it! Things got heated up, had to talk to the manager and they said they are sorry and they will add in a free minor service which equals to a free bike wash here. Pacified a little bit, I paid-up and went back home.

Now the oil that I had was 1800kms old, I was planing to change it at 2000 since it was starting to show signs of ageing. By ageing oil I mean harshness was creeping in, clunky gear changes, increased warm up times to list a few. But believe it or not after adding the Nulon, the oil is feeling like brand new! Seriously, all signs of ageing have gone, bike has become much more smoother, as smooth as it gets with brand new oil..!! Now I am sure they have not done an oil change cause otherwise they would have definitely charged me for it. What I am not being able to understand is how has the engine become so smooth??? Is it because of the Nulon?

BTW They also adjusted the valve clearances in this service. But my bike has been with me for a long time and I know the difference between smoothness which comes due to adjusting valve clearances and smoothness which comes in due to new engine oil. And I can categorically say that Nulon is definitely having an effect. It might be the case that the smoothness can be attributed more to adjusting valve clearances rather than Nulon, but I feel that Nulon is definitely doing something in there which is making things smoother!

I have done about 50-60kms after Nulon, things are still seeming good, and I will change oil after around 150kms more. Will keep you guys posted. In the meantime I just want to ask whether other people have also experienced this smoothness after Nulon treatment? I know that most people add Nulon with brand new oil and then attribute the smoothness to new oil. But has anyone like me added Nulon to old oil and felt new smoothness? FYI I have never added Nulon before to my engine oil.

I read up a bit on Nulon online and the company says that you can add Nulon at any point of time in the engine oil cycle. New oil, old oil, does not matter. And whereas I read a lot of people saying that this is just a marketing gimmick, I also read a lot of testimonials which agree with my experience in places like TeamBHP. The internet is filled with proofs which shows that Nulon is awesome and Nulon is bullshit. Which is why I rely on my own common sense and experience. This time I feel Nulon is definitely being awesome rather than bullshit. I will add Shell AX5 20W40 in 150kms and am planning to repeat my procedure to see if Nulon actually works. Will report the results when things get done.

Thanks for reading!

Ride Safe and Cheers!

Buddy, You have just added a "friction reducer" to your engine oil. That is why automobile oils are not used in motorcycles. As they contain "friction reducers". You will enjoy the ride for atleast a 1000 more kms (depends on how much it is added). These are used in cars not bikes. You should not throw the oil and complete full 3K kms on the oil from the time you put it inside the engine (irrespective of when the additive was added). When the gears start slipping, change it ASAP.

Yes, Nulon actually works.. But dont repeat this to test it. You can use it in any car not bikes.

[psr]

Hi guys,

Again I specifically told him no Nulon treatment please!!!!

Well guess what, the stupid buggers added the Nulon and charged me Rs125 (w/Tax) for it .................................................. ..............
Thanks for reading!

Ride Safe and Cheers!

Nulon contains PTFE otherwise known as Teflon and in the initial stages of it's marketing, some of the snake oil manufacturers included it in their oil preparation claiming better protection, and how the PTFE magically coats all of the moving parts and STAYS there to give better FE etc. They were taken to court and paid up huge sums of money as compensation...DuPont ,which is the Licensed manufacturer of PTFE had already publicly issued warning against use of PTFE in engine oils, clearly stating that it will not help the engine......

That said do not worry about it,and enjoy the ride....change oil as usual...here is the quote from original article...

http://www.1expired.com/dura-lube_slick50.htm

The independent testing conducted on the lubrication qualities of the PTFE based lubricants confirms and supports the original statement issued from DuPont Chemical Corporation, inventor of PTFE and holder of the patents and trademark for Teflon.
In a statement issued about ten years ago, DuPont’s Fluoropolymers Division Product Specialists, J.F. Imbalzano said “Teflon is not useful as an ingredient in oil additives or oils used for internal combustion
engines”. DuPont even threatened legal action against anyone who used the name “Teflon” on any product destined for use in an internal combustion engine and refused to sell its PTFE powders to any one
who intended to use them for such purposes.

[Honda_CBF]

I totally concur with psr ji, nulon contains PTFE, i.e. Teflon. It works initially.. Smooth engine, gears, and everything good. But long term uses can plug tiny oil channels with deposits. Have seen it with my own eyes on grandpa's bike, when it was some 30k kms old. He used oem oil with nulon.

[B7ACKTHORN]

Nulon contains PTFE otherwise known as Teflon and in the initial stages of it's marketing, some of the snake oil manufacturers included it in their oil preparation claiming better protection, and how the PTFE magically coats all of the moving parts and STAYS there to give better FE etc. They were taken to court and paid up huge sums of money as compensation...DuPont ,which is the Licensed manufacturer of PTFE had already publicly issued warning against use of PTFE in engine oils, clearly stating that it will not help the engine......

That said do not worry about it,and enjoy the ride....change oil as usual...here is the quote from original article...

Dura Lube & Slick50 Sued by FTC

The independent testing conducted on the lubrication qualities of the PTFE based lubricants confirms and supports the original statement issued from DuPont Chemical Corporation, inventor of PTFE and holder of the patents and trademark for Teflon.
In a statement issued about ten years ago, DuPont’s Fluoropolymers Division Product Specialists, J.F. Imbalzano said “Teflon is not useful as an ingredient in oil additives or oils used for internal combustion
engines”. DuPont even threatened legal action against anyone who used the name “Teflon” on any product destined for use in an internal combustion engine and refused to sell its PTFE powders to any one
who intended to use them for such purposes.

Excellent piece of information, psr. Thanks a ton! That said, still 3M sells their so called "oil additives" right, is it significantly different than the teflon ones or just as the faux as you mentioned above?

Cheers!
VJ

[s.roy0717]

Guys, anyone ever tried Wruth engine oils before?? I suggest U do... It's really remarkable. I have had bajaj oil earlier, stock stuff, then switched to wruth semi-synthetic, now on shell advanced 15w50. Bouy I can related the difference easily... Wruth was so much better, in low as well as in high revs. Performance increase was very noticeable. I can feel the lack of punch & performance in the present oil compared to Wruth. & that was just the semi synthetic.
Not many know about this I guess, German stuff.. But I believe the market is renowned with Motul as one of the best.
So It's a open word from me.. I'll get links to this thread for more info on this..

[psr]

Excellent piece of information, psr. Thanks a ton! That said, still 3M sells their so called "oil additives" right, is it significantly different than the teflon ones or just as the faux as you mentioned above?

Cheers!
VJ

3 M uses different chemical in their Oil additive...Polyolefin amide alkeneamine.
In fact STP makers use it in more in Car care product ..The product is a Dispersant.
Another popular engine oil additive which is catching the market is Boron...

[B7ACKTHORN]

3 M uses different chemical in their Oil additive...Polyolefin amide alkeneamine.
In fact STP makers use it in more in Car care product ..The product is a Dispersant.
Another popular engine oil additive which is catching the market is Boron...

Boy you're someone. Thanks so much for this info. Thank you so much, psr ji.

Cheers!
VJ

[madhav krishna]

Guys, anyone ever tried Wruth engine oils before?? I suggest U do... It's really remarkable. I have had bajaj oil earlier, stock stuff, then switched to wruth semi-synthetic, now on shell advanced 15w50. Bouy I can related the difference easily... Wruth was so much better, in low as well as in high revs. Performance increase was very noticeable. I can feel the lack of punch & performance in the present oil compared to Wruth. & that was just the semi synthetic.
Not many know about this I guess, German stuff.. But I believe the market is renowned with Motul as one of the best.
So It's a open word from me.. I'll get links to this thread for more info on this..

Well am looking for a budget semi synth oil. So whats the price and where is it available in bangalore??

[B7ACKTHORN]

Well am looking for a budget semi synth oil. So whats the price and where is it available in bangalore??

There are lots of different grades of sem syn at different price points, go back to first and a few pages after that, you get all the info you need.

Cheers!
VJ

[madhav krishna]

There are lots of different grades of sem syn at different price points, go back to first and a few pages after that, you get all the info you need.

Cheers!
VJ

Am aware of that. But my query was specifically about the wurth engine oil. Anyways thanks for your "helpful" reply.

[B7ACKTHORN]

Am aware of that. But my query was specifically about the wurth engine oil. Anyways thanks for your "helpful" reply.

Wurth's availability is the issue. But if you want more clear insights, do post the grade you need, blend and the vehicle specific, so it can be helpful to narrow your queries even more. Glad to help

Cheers!
VJ

[princesirohi]

I have recently started using Shell AX7, and found it much better than other semi synthetic oils (xxW40)

[s.roy0717]

Well am looking for a budget semi synth oil. So whats the price and where is it available in bangalore??

Well, the semi synthetic gave me a really awesome performance compared to the synthetic I've put presently. But everyone's views matter. As said, availability is an issue. But I will still inquire to pin-point it.

[Honda_CBF]

Please do guide me about the recycled cheap gear oil - Castrol gear lube is become quite expensive now and I don't intend to keep buying it for chain-lube and air-filter , need the alternative . Post a pic if possible .

Here's the link for pic of that gear oil can

https://picasaweb.google.com/108670588900130124044/ChainOil?authkey=Gv1sRgCMDg6oaZ1KbA2AE

this very same product may not be available down there but I do think that similar products should be available. Just ask for "the cheapest" gear oil

[muztariq]

Here's the link for pic of that gear oil can

https://picasaweb.google.com/108670588900130124044/ChainOil?authkey=Gv1sRgCMDg6oaZ1KbA2AE

this very same product may not be available down there but I do think that similar products should be available. Just ask for "the cheapest" gear oil

What is the price of this gear oil... I have been using HP's EP 140 in 98 Rs. If the prices are similar or even if it is not, I would suggest to go with HP's product.

Also the company who does not know how to spell "pressure" (As is in the image you attached) cant be relied on their oils.

Also one should not look for cost always.. I think something that is 98 Rs per 500 ml and will be used for atleast an year is not far behind than something that would be 60Rs - 70Rs.