Engine Oils

[psr]

Honestly psr ji, I just wanted to trim your post above to type my post, but every word was so perfect, that it'd be barbaric to edit any single word. I happen to do my homework quite a while back, and I was surprised to see that Rotella indeed had many variants, and that stirred up a plethora of questions, but you've nailed it to single point.

How many KMS has the ZMA clocked till now ji after using the Rimula

BTW I happen to read this on Wikipedia

Shell Rotella T 15W-40 conventional oil does list on its packaging JASO MA as one of the specifications it meets. Note that the 10W-30 conventional oil does not list JASO-MA.
The newer fully synthetic T6 5W-40 oil lists JASO-MA compliance on its packaging and on the Rotella website.

Cheers!
VJ

The latest I read on Diesel oil is that stricter control is being brought in, and it will be mandatory for all Diesel Engine vehicles to have Catcon ,and reduce the ZDDP to <800 PPM in oil. So future looks bleak for older engines which are dependent on ZDDP for Drive train protection..
I had just completed 700+ Kms on the Rimula, and oil gives a feel of being new still....Like Honda CBF said it may be good even at 2,000 Kms...Let me see how far it retains it's quality...The best improvement I found was the engine smoothness with quick revving tendency, and easy Neutral find ...The FE remains the same... I am beginning to like the oil very much, and it is difficult for me to remain neutral , since I had tested oils costing much more and never got this combination of beneficial effects....

Got the oil changed to shell rimula R3x. Bottle costed me Rs.269/-. Just rode a km or two after the oil change so i shall refrain from commenting anything. Shall give update soon how the oil fares on normal commuting.

Hope you get the same kind of good results i got from the oil...It takes about 100~150 Kms before the engine and oil settles down to better function...

[B7ACKTHORN]

The latest I read on Diesel oil is that stricter control is being brought in, and it will be mandatory for all Diesel Engine vehicles to have Catcon ,and reduce the ZDDP to <800 PPM in oil. So future looks bleak for older engines which are dependent on ZDDP for Drive train protection..
I had just completed 700+ Kms on the Rimula, and oil gives a feel of being new still....Like Honda CBF said it may be good even at 2,000 Kms...Let me see how far it retains it's quality...The best improvement I found was the engine smoothness with quick revving tendency, and easy Neutral find ...The FE remains the same... I am beginning to like the oil very much, and it is difficult for me to remain neutral , since I had tested oils costing much more and never got this combination of beneficial effects....

Helps ji. Seriously considering the Rimula for the Vicss next oil change.

@Madhav, do let us know what your two cents is worth.

Cheers!
VJ

[psr]

Helps ji. Seriously considering the Rimula for the Vicss next oil change.

@Madhav, do let us know what your two cents is worth.

Cheers!
VJ

And I am planning on using the 20w50 grade of Rimula in my Lancer in next oil change....in about a month's time..

I hope my decisions shared here DOES NOT influence other members, to experiment, and do something otherwise...Each engine design is unique and must be respected...

[B7ACKTHORN]

And I am planning on using the 20w50 grade of Rimula in my Lancer in next oil change....in about a month's time..

I guess it's gonna be even more smiles I guess then! Superlikey!

Cheers!
VJ

[madhav krishna]

Good buy.. may i read the back cover please. The image is not clear.

Am sorry but the pic was taken from a mobile cam, hence the poor quality. And I have even thrown the container after the oil change. Shall upload a proper pic when i get my hands on another container.

Hope you get the same kind of good results i got from the oil...It takes about 100~150 Kms before the engine and oil settles down to better function...

Hope so. The oil is somewhat better than the previous oil. "Fresh oil" feeling maybe. Anyways am waiting to complete 150kms.

[Honda_CBF]

Ha ha ha I thought You would also do the experiment..Do not use Helix HX 6 it is meant for cars........In the discussions I had read on many forum and threads on the internet on the Shell Rotella, I was amazed how Rotella was a multipurpose oil with Good Performance.....and I also read that in places where Rotella was not marketed Rimula was marketed....there was speculation that both were same, which was not the case...The Sulphated ash, Kinematic Viscosity etc, were all different between them......and Rotella has many variants...But what was stunning was the fact that the Rimula R3X had triple protection same as Rotella T, and the Kinematic Viscosity was very close to a Fully Synthetic oil meant for gasoline engine......the Viscosity Index was also good, and so was the pour temperature and Flash temp...not forgetting the ZDDP content.......Once I started reading the details ,on paper, technically the Rimula R3X impressed me as better than the normal mineral oil...so instead of trying the usual JASO MA certified Mineral oil I went in for this experiment.....Still I am not fully accepting the Rimula ,though it is proving to be better than Motul ,and Gulf Pride mineral oils.....If it holds the same properties till 1,500 kms, I may not be looking for any other oil for my ZMA.

he he.. Already experimented and results are really lovely. Was refraining from posting as it can again start diesel vs petrol oil war. Ya I knew helix can make clutch slip but surprisingly it didn't. Have read on the web that w40 and above diesel oils don't contain friction modifiers, also the MSDS didn't had any Column stating that moly thing. So I went ahead.. . And the bad thing about these diesel oils.. They made my alto leak oil.. From the valve cover gaskets, guess she don't like higher levels of detergents

[B7ACKTHORN]

he he.. Already experimented and results are really lovely. Was refraining from posting as it can again start diesel vs petrol oil war. Ya I knew helix can make clutch slip but surprisingly it didn't. Have read on the web that w40 and above diesel oils don't contain friction modifiers, also the MSDS didn't had any Column stating that moly thing. So I went ahead.. . And the bad thing about these diesel oils.. They made my alto leak oil.. From the valve cover gaskets, guess she don't like higher levels of detergents

Sooner or later, it causes you to "REGURGITATE" the facts, thanks to psr ji. But somehow, they don't leak in a motor oil, perhaps, why don't you try Rimula on your car instead on a trial and error basis.

Cheers!
VJ

[psr]

he he.. Already experimented and results are really lovely. Was refraining from posting as it can again start diesel vs petrol oil war. Ya I knew helix can make clutch slip but surprisingly it didn't. Have read on the web that w40 and above diesel oils don't contain friction modifiers, also the MSDS didn't had any Column stating that moly thing. So I went ahead.. . And the bad thing about these diesel oils.. They made my alto leak oil.. From the valve cover gaskets, guess she don't like higher levels of detergents

Good to know that I have company in outlandish experiments, and that someone else is nuts like me(though refined)...
I am very happy to note that members have started to look up the MSDS of oils to know it's content and quality....
Did you check the tightness of the Valve cover screws...After filling Motul in my Lancer I faced good amount of leak, and cursing the oil I tried to tighten the Valve cover screws...I was shocked to find that all of them were just hand tight only,..I guess over a period of time the Gasket shrinks and leads to leaks...alternatively the detergents must have washed away the sealing Gook inside and thereby lead to oil leaks.....
I think now more people have started using Diesel oils in two wheelers world wide ....

[muztariq]

Sooner or later, it causes you to "REGURGITATE" the facts, thanks to psr ji. But somehow, they don't leak in a motor oil, perhaps, why don't you try Rimula on your car instead on a trial and error basis.

Cheers!
VJ

There is a sea of car specific oils in the market.. why would you try a diesel specific car oil in petrol cars.. there is nothing to gain, you also lose on the cold start performance and the friction reduction which may have drastically reduced the wear and tear in a petrol car engine. The sulfated ash content of 1.4% and super high ZDDP levels would kill the highly efficient cat con of modern engines in one oil change.

For petrol cars the best oil is unisex(didnt find a better word ) oil which works fine both in diesel and petrol engines. My favorite is 'Total' range of oils. They cater to both types of engines.. even CNG for that matter.

[B7ACKTHORN]

There is a sea of car specific oils in the market.. why would you try a diesel specific car oil in petrol cars.. there is nothing to gain, you also lose on the cold start performance and the friction reduction which may have drastically reduced the wear and tear in a petrol car engine. The sulfated ash content of 1.4% and super high ZDDP levels would kill the highly efficient cat con of modern engines in one oil change.

For petrol cars the best oil is unisex(didnt find a better word ) oil which works fine both in diesel and petrol engines. My favorite is 'Total' range of oils. They cater to both types of engines.. even CNG for that matter.

Haha, Muzz you are always there to spoil a little "oil throwing" party facts! Darn you.

Cheers!
VJ

[muztariq]

May be I am too cautious and too much concerned for readers engines here.. our experiments / suggestions should not harm others in any way

By the way, there is a book on engine lubricants.. its called

Chemistry and Technology of Lubricants 3rd Ed

Have been referring to this great book from quite sometime. Its an excellent book for those who love to understand the science behind lubricants and engine oils.

From where to get/download this book?? - Should I tell this trick to ppl!? which we all have mastered from ages

[pixantz]

Good to know that I have company in outlandish experiments, and that someone else is nuts like me(though refined)...
I am very happy to note that members have started to look up the MSDS of oils to know it's content and quality....
Did you check the tightness of the Valve cover screws...After filling Motul in my Lancer I faced good amount of leak, and cursing the oil I tried to tighten the Valve cover screws...I was shocked to find that all of them were just hand tight only,..I guess over a period of time the Gasket shrinks and leads to leaks...alternatively the detergents must have washed away the sealing Gook inside and thereby lead to oil leaks.....
I think now more people have started using Diesel oils in two wheelers world wide ....

I had used Castrol Magnatec(10W40) in my Zma for about a year and a half. Its primarely a car oil, dont know if diesel or petrol. Bike was extremely smooth with slick shifs and all. But it doesn't come even close to Motul which I'm using now(5100 15W50SS)


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[psr]

With reduction/removal of ZDDP in oil, the older engines have less time to survive...the friction modifiers ie., Molybdenum disulfide is also removed, since it kills the O2 sensor,and Catcon too...... and only calcium based additives are added to prevent Oxidation and to prevent Acid attack on internals.......
People with older design engines have much less choice as years go by.....

Here is a informative link..

http://www.ttalk.info/Zddp.htm

[B7ACKTHORN]

May be I am too cautious and too much concerned for readers engines here.. our experiments / suggestions should not harm others in any way

By the way, there is a book on engine lubricants.. its called

Chemistry and Technology of Lubricants 3rd Ed

Have been referring to this great book from quite sometime. Its an excellent book for those who love to understand the science behind lubricants and engine oils.

From where to get/download this book?? - Should I tell this trick to ppl!? which we all have mastered from ages

All I got it is from Google books, and that's about it. If you have any, please PM or kindly share the link,that'd be real great.

And Muzz, it's not about uninforming a noob bud, all are well enough to handle their arses . I was just tempting him.

Cheers!
VJ

[Honda_CBF]

@psr ji, the bolts on valve cover is still factory tight and holding very well. @ muztariq ji, I tried diesel oil because I suspected sludge inside. And was afraid to use flushing oils. Btw, car is now almost 99k kms old & cat con seems ok And if they are going to cut down on zddp in diesel oils in near future then we should stock up some oil in bank locker! BTW, anyone ever thought of aftermarket additives containing zddp?? P.S. I'm having this wild idea.. I thing if these zddp, moly things can kill cat cons (by covering catalyst) then I guess, detergents can have 'wash off' effect on cat cons.. What say guys?