Engine Oils

[B7ACKTHORN]

Re: Engine Oils

I changed the engine oil of my bike after 203 km and here are some pics why i wanted to do so
Oil filter and engine oil was black in color and full of metal impurities.There were small metal chips stuck in the filter and the dark grey thing on mechanic's hand is metallic
I used bajaj DTSI oil as i am unable to find moutul.
Verdict- I guess it is better to change engine oil and oil filter after 100 km.

I feel happy and pity for the chap, of course it's all that "first love, take care" habit that is ingrained in almost anyone. You get a new phone, wipe it, lick it, and do whatever to keep it shiny and glossy, and some odd day it falls and takes a scratch, and then voila, you give up and start banging it. It's kinda the same story.

Metal chips, grey gunky deposits at the end of the oil dripping is completely normal, and as a matter of fact in every new engine it's the same procedure or older engines for that matter. But if you have metal chips coming each and every time you drain the oil then you *might* be having some issues. For a new engine it's pretty common sight due to the tight clearances and normal wear.

Now some even go overboard stating, that I didn't see metal chips or thinks of that matter in my first service? Is something wrong? Absolutely, no. If you get the sediments and chips strained away that's good, and if the oil doesn't even have any traces of metal that's even more good news. Some engines even in their first service are really clean, but 85 to 90% fall in this category. But it's acceptable for a new bike and first to second services. But not after 8 to 10k KMS.

Ride safe!

Cheers!
VJ

[simao]

Re: Engine Oils

My 2009 honda unicorn has clocked 45000kms. I used honda oil throughout. Now I want to switch to synthetic oil. Which brand is best for the bike?
I have thought of motul, shell, mobil and petronas if the grade required is available. Please help.

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[sinnerz2000]

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My 2009 honda unicorn has clocked 45000kms. I used honda oil throughout. Now I want to switch to synthetic oil. Which brand is best for the bike?
I have thought of motul, shell, mobil and petronas if the grade required is available. Please help.

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I too own a unicorn clocked 43k km. Use Semi synthetic, because on a unicorn you won't notice the difference between semi synthetic and synthetic, and you'll be saving a lot of money too, best SS oil is Motul 5100 next after that comes shell ax7 use 10w40 grade.

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[muztariq]

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my say on the early engine oil chnge in a new engine.
there is no harm in changing oil early. but if you are an engine manufacturer, you would have see a lot more things than justt engine life.
if 1000 km is the first oil change recommended - it is there for a reason. you may get 5% more life from an engine if ypu change oil every 2000 km rather than recomended 3000 km. but if manufacturer recommends that for 10,00,000 bikes ot manufactures every year it would put lot of burden on mother nature. Many manufacturers have started giving very high change intervals like 15 k kms in some cars coz of this reason.
there is no significant increment in engine life if you change oil every 100,200 kms when compared to 1000 kms on a new engine. even if there is, manufacturer wont recommend it for all the bikes it manufactures.

[simao]

Re: Engine Oils

I too own a unicorn clocked 43k km. Use Semi synthetic, because on a unicorn you won't notice the difference between semi synthetic and synthetic, and you'll be saving a lot of money too, best SS oil is Motul 5100 next after that comes shell ax7 use 10w40 grade.

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Thanks mate. Will go for ss oil.

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[gyan_recl350]

Re: Engine Oils

Has anyone used Servo adon P petrol additive. What are the benefits and what are the cons if any

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[Rakesh Rok]

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@rreneav1987 @Divya sharam @Rakesh Rok

Lets learn something from this guy... Change oil as well as filter every 100 kms to keep your bike alive and running

Whattt Theeeeeeeee ********* 100 kms once. . ? Am dead cos it's like changing oil and filter every 1 or 2 days once. . .

Cheers!!!

[nadz11.ns]

Re: Engine Oils

Whattt Theeeeeeeee ********* 100 kms once. . ? Am dead cos it's like changing oil and filter every 1 or 2 days once. . .

Cheers!!!

that poor lad said this with reference to the bike being new.. and not changing it every 100kms

[ranju567]

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Is this guy sick?? Noway to change engine oil and filter for 100 kms..it would be lke filling petrol in bikes..lol

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[gyan_recl350]

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Is this guy sick?? Noway to change engine oil and filter for 100 kms..it would be lke filling petrol in bikes..lol

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I really don't think that's the way to reply, neither would anyone. Out of concern and out of love for his bike he did that. He did not do any crime buddy to call him sick. We all learn and evolve and learn gradually and what else could be a better way to learn than doing some err. I hope you won't mind but a little politeness would not harm anyone, at least on this great forum.

Sorry for the OT

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[B7ACKTHORN]

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Has anyone used Servo adon P petrol additive. What are the benefits and what are the cons if any

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Additives are as detrimental as they are good, especially for our bikes, and the same premixed is also does no good in *the long run*, using additive mixed fuel will degrade the engine unless yours specifically need some. Using the additives then and there is completely fine, and you can use it absolutely no issues as such. But make sure you don't feed the bike with the same in the long run.

Cheers!
VJ

[gyan_recl350]

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Additives are as detrimental as they are good, especially for our bikes, and the same premixed is also does no good in *the long run*, using additive mixed fuel will degrade the engine unless yours specifically need some. Using the additives then and there is completely fine, and you can use it absolutely no issues as such. But make sure you don't feed the bike with the same in the long run.

Cheers!
VJ

Thanks again buddy for pitching in and replying. BTW how would we know that long run, I mean what is the maximum kms for which we can use the additive on a stretch. And can you throw some light as why they are not good if used for a long period of time.

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[B7ACKTHORN]

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Thanks again buddy for pitching in and replying. BTW how would we know that long run, I mean what is the maximum kms for which we can use the additive on a stretch. And can you throw some light as why they are not good if used for a long period of time.

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It all depends on the characetristic of the use. If your bike is intended for daily use, you need not use the additives at all, normal fuel would suffice. If you're planning on more than say a 500 KM a trip that would be wise idea to add additives. Moreover sometimes prolonged usage will tend to block the jets and clog injectors in bikes, once a Ninja 250 friend of mine had the same issue. He used higher grade fuel but his injectors became clogged and spent the next month spending paying service bills cleaning, long story short.

Also there is something called compression ratio, using a high compression ratio fuel on a normal bike will affect it's performance negatively such as high octane fuels etc, unless you really are owning a superbike with the recommended fuel grade. But long story short.

Additives are nothing but enhancements, and enhances do have their side effects.

Bottom line, stick with normal grade, but refuel from a reputed seller who has a good reputation for good fuel that'd suffice your bike's needs for commuting. If you want what *little extra* mileage and smoothness on the long trip, use additives.

Cheers!
VJ

[gyan_recl350]

Re: Engine Oils

It all depends on the characetristic of the use. If your bike is intended for daily use, you need not use the additives at all, normal fuel would suffice. If you're planning on more than say a 500 KM a trip that would be wise idea to add additives. Moreover sometimes prolonged usage will tend to block the jets and clog injectors in bikes, once a Ninja 250 friend of mine had the same issue. He used higher grade fuel but his injectors became clogged and spent the next month spending paying service bills cleaning, long story short.

Also there is something called compression ratio, using a high compression ratio fuel on a normal bike will affect it's performance negatively such as high octane fuels etc, unless you really are owning a superbike with the recommended fuel grade. But long story short.

Additives are nothing but enhancements, and enhances do have their side effects.

Bottom line, stick with normal grade, but refuel from a reputed seller who has a good reputation for good fuel that'd suffice your bike's needs for commuting. If you want what *little extra* mileage and smoothness on the long trip, use additives.

Cheers!
VJ

Hmm thank you for the detailed, logical and informative reply friend. Helps.

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[Rakesh Rok]

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that poor lad said this with reference to the bike being new.. and not changing it every 100kms

Come on Just kidding and nothing personal or serious, just imagined that once changing it every day or two, so wrote it . . .

Is this guy sick?? Noway to change engine oil and filter for 100 kms..it would be lke filling petrol in bikes..lol

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Come on mann, be polite, make fun but be polite, else that's gonna hurt someone, anyways chill and back to the topic. . .

Cheers!!!