Engine Oils

[*MIHIR*]

Re: Engine Oils

I know that Anuj, but want to know the place which does the job. I am new in Mumbai

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[Anuj_Gupta]

Re: Engine Oils

Sorry guys but I'm from Delhi, haven't been to Mumbai yet.

[B7ACKTHORN]

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They do that for cars for the most part, but doing that on a bike isn't gonna yield that much of a difference each time you do. If you're really considering flushing then a vacuum extraction might be a good idea to consider rather than using flushing additives which might be a little on the negative side. But if you're using the same grade oil and flushing them on a constant basis there isn't much need for a complete vacuum extraction.

Cheers!
VJ

[Pinaki]

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Anybody knows a shop/station/garage which can drain oil by means of pump in Thane west, Mumbai ..

It is called Flashing the engine,and a popular thing in car engines, recently high performance bikes are also being subjected to flashing, but don't use it in low quality or small capacity or old engines, flashing is basically sucking out all the remaining dirty engine oil ( that didn't came out itself) by application of vacuum.

Do not attempt ANY such methods on your bike's engine ever . It is unnecessary and harmful . Engine flush is never recommended by any motorcycle manufacturer anywhere . It's is myth promoted by unscrupulous mechanics and service centers who seek profit only .
If you really want to keep your motorcycle engine healthy & internally clean , replace oil timely ( or even a little early ) by the normal method specified in your owner's manuals . Spend your money on oil , not on engine flushes and exotic additives & methods .
Using cheap mineral based oil I replace oil every 2000 kms or less or 4 months or less (whichever is earlier) , max . My engine's internals are still sparkling clean , I saw that during an recent centrifugal filter cleaning work .

[harish.krovvidi]

Re: Engine Oils

[MENTION=29030]Pinaki[/MENTION]
Engine flush is an additive added to the old oil, hpthen bike is run for a few minutes before the drain.

How in the world did you cp e to conclusion that its not recomended and should not be dont on bikes. Some facts, articles from race teams etc. will help understand your logic

A vacum flush is espically needed for bikes with oil coolers as there is likely chance that sludge is left over on the coller cores and this pulls it out.

Any hard facts from research and pictues and articles will be appriciated to close the loop and get facts on the table.


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Riding is all I know, my pictures prove it.

[Pinaki]

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On the contrary , let me know where in your bike's ownership manual or any recommendation by your bike manufacturer asks you to use engine flush and/or any suction device to drain oil . Or from any motorcycle engine manufacturer all over the world , any recommendation to this effect ?

Quite a few bikes in our market with oil-coolers installed , so any mention in their owner's manual to drain oil with suction device ? ZMR owners ?

Do not rely on race-team methods - race teams dismantles , cleans and re-builds engines after each race . We don't do that .

I know what/how engine flush is done . Problem is you can never drain all the flushing additive and old oil mixture from an motorcycle engine ( unless you dismantle the engine of course ) . The remnants of the flushing additive stay inside the engine and spoil the fresh new oil that you pour in .

There are other dangers too . Like when you are running the engine with flushing oil , what is lubricating your engine's bearings ? A fraction of a min run without lube permanently damages bearings . Such engines shall always be noisy , vibrate and become un-smooth in operation .

Dirt or sludge dislodged by an flushing oil can easily block one of the numerous narrow oil channels and starve the engine of oil lubrication later on .

Motorcycle engine oil is designed to clean and carry away the engine's effluents during operation . So if you do timely oil changes , you shall have no sludge or dirt in there in the first place .

[Aniruddha Shinde]

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Hi guys,
I recently put Motul 3100 4T 20W50 in my Avenger 220. But not sure its Mineral or Semi Synth. Seeking help from all you expert guys.. Plz do let me know its drain interval..My recommended grade is 20W50.
.. Thanks in Advance....

[*MIHIR*]

Re: Engine Oils

On the contrary , let me know where in your bike's ownership manual or any recommendation by your bike manufacturer asks you to use engine flush and/or any suction device to drain oil . Or from any motorcycle engine manufacturer all over the world , any recommendation to this effect ?

Quite a few bikes in our market with oil-coolers installed , so any mention in their owner's manual to drain oil with suction device ? ZMR owners ?

Do not rely on race-team methods - race teams dismantles , cleans and re-builds engines after each race . We don't do that .

I know what/how engine flush is done . Problem is you can never drain all the flushing additive and old oil mixture from an motorcycle engine ( unless you dismantle the engine of course ) . The remnants of the flushing additive stay inside the engine and spoil the fresh new oil that you pour in .

There are other dangers too . Like when you are running the engine with flushing oil , what is lubricating your engine's bearings ? A fraction of a min run without lube permanently damages bearings . Such engines shall always be noisy , vibrate and become un-smooth in operation .

Dirt or sludge dislodged by an flushing oil can easily block one of the numerous narrow oil channels and starve the engine of oil lubrication later on .

Motorcycle engine oil is designed to clean and carry away the engine's effluents during operation . So if you do timely oil changes , you shall have no sludge or dirt in there in the first place .

[MENTION=29030]Pinaki[/MENTION]
Engine flush is an additive added to the old oil, hpthen bike is run for a few minutes before the drain.

How in the world did you cp e to conclusion that its not recomended and should not be dont on bikes. Some facts, articles from race teams etc. will help understand your logic

A vacum flush is espically needed for bikes with oil coolers as there is likely chance that sludge is left over on the coller cores and this pulls it out.

Any hard facts from research and pictues and articles will be appriciated to close the loop and get facts on the table.


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Riding is all I know, my pictures prove it.

Hmmmm :screwy:


sent from my Optimus G

[harish.krovvidi]

Engine Oils

[MENTION=29030]Pinaki[/MENTION]
Do you know the diffrence between an owners manual and a workshop manual?
Owners manual will only tell you how to maintain your bike while the shop manual will only show you how to unassemble and assemble the motorcycles and check the part for wear and tear using specialised tools to check the parts. General inspection methodologies.

There will be no mention of the requirement of using a vacum or a additive flush. They also do not say anywhere not to use them.

Am asking you to show me documentation somewhere where it say using it is harmful so that my ignorance can be blissed and save my group a few thousand.

I have about 5 indian bikes and 10 sbks and 3 super cars riding with me regularly and all these vehicles are serviced by ourselfs we have our own tools. Now the flushing and vacuming technique is follwed by us on our bikes and cars this is how even the 150/250 cc bikes are serviced at most outlets abroad, they dont do it here cos of the volume of bikes being very high.










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Riding is all I know, my pictures prove it.

[Pinaki]

Re: Engine Oils

@Pinaki
Do you know the diffrence between an owners manual and a workshop manual?
Owners manual will only tell you how to maintain your bike while the shop manual will only show you how to unassemble and assemble the motorcycles and check the part for wear and tear using specialised tools to check the parts. General inspection methodologies.

There will be no mention of the requirement of using a vacum or a additive flush. They also do not say anywhere not to use them ..

Workshop manual is un-necessary for regular maintenance of the bike by the owner . Oil change is part of that regular maintenance . All the owner's manuals do show you the procedure and tools to do an oil change on the bike and is sufficient in this aspect .

.. Am asking you to show me documentation somewhere where it say using it is harmful so that my ignorance can be blissed and save my group a few thousand. ..

I have already pointed out few of the hazards involved with engine flushing and the futility if the entire effort . I have not collected any forensic evidence in support of that yet . Documentation about this is freely available on the inter-net .

.. I have about 5 indian bikes and 10 sbks and 3 super cars riding with me regularly and all these vehicles are serviced by ourselfs we have our own tools. Now the flushing and vacuming technique is follwed by us on our bikes and cars this is how even the 150/250 cc bikes are serviced at most outlets abroad, they dont do it here cos of the volume of bikes being very high...

Brother , you are free to adopt anything you may think is right for your bikes - despite what you may read here or somewhere else . Can't say about car engines or abroad . But did you ever enquire with the vehicle manufacturers or their engineers about the correctness of your practice ?

[harish.krovvidi]

Engine Oils

No hard feelings but refrain from stating something is good or bad without first hand experience with detailed documents /proof will definetly derail the audience in the forum or misguide them. Lets not post stuff without hard facts.

Since your not having any refrence on the harmful side effects, i will take the first step to spend a few hours today to post back a document as to why we should flush and vacume clean an engine.

[maadyy]

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Hi guys,
I recently put Motul 3100 4T 20W50 in my Avenger 220. But not sure its Mineral or Semi Synth. Seeking help from all you expert guys.. Plz do let me know its drain interval..My recommended grade is 20W50.
.. Thanks in Advance....

Thats a mineral oil from Motul (3100), 5100 comes as in SS(semi synthetic) and 7100 comes as in FS(fully synthetic). Drain interval for the 3100 20w50 is ideally 2000kms. I use the same in my P150.

[nirvan]

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No hard feelings but refrain from stating something is good or bad without first hand experience with detailed documents /proof will definetly derail the audience in the forum or misguide them. Lets not post stuff without hard facts.

Since your not having any refrence on the harmful side effects, i will take the first step to spend a few hours today to post back a document as to why we should flush and vacume clean an engine.

Folks, an engine flush is essentially unnecessary for bikes that have done relatively low miles and have had oil changes done regularly.

I for one prefer to change the engine oil early rather than use a flushing additive. My oil changes occur after the bike has run 50-75% of the manufacturers drain interval.

Quoting here from the internet (HowStuffWorks "5 Benefits of an Engine Flush")

Clean is good, but keep in mind that many manufacturers advise against performing and engine flush on modern vehicles. Chris Martin of Honda goes said, "Our engineers have conducted exhaustive tests to create specialized maintenance products and service standards that support the performance and longevity of Honda vehicles, and these standards don't include engine flushing." Engineers at GM said, "Engine oil flushes are not recommended. If oil is changed on schedule, you shouldn't have to flush the engine."

Having said that, Motul has a flushing additive, Motul Engine Clean Engine Clean Moto - Motul. Here's the link to the Motul technical datasheet: http://www.motul.com/system/product_...PDF?1332320823

Seems like overkill IMO.

Harish, I'm curious to know how you vacuum clean the engine (if your group is doing it).

[Anuj_Gupta]

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I'll visit shop and post the picture of device they use. .

[antan_shank]

Re: Engine Oils

Veedol Super Swift 10W40 for ZMR - feedback on this??? Few of my mates on ZMR thread told that excellent oils even betters AX7... I am using AX7 since last 15K KMs and no complains till date, rather love the engine oil...

Will be waiting for the feedback form the seniours