Engine Oils

[harish.krovvidi]

Re: Engine Oils

@nirvan and @Pinaki

Flushing 1 - Additive is added to your existing engine oil and the bike is switched ona let to idle for about 15 minutes. the bike should not be reve'd during this time. after 15 minutes you must leave the bike off for few minutes to let it cool down prior to draining your engine oil.

Flushing 2 - Old engine oil is drained and flushing oil is added in its place, flushing oil. after this the engine is run for about 5 or 10 minutes based on the Flushing oil manufacturer's recommendations. You need to be extremely careful while doing this kinda of flush as the flushing oil is extremely thin (compared to regular engine oil) and can flow through the oil seals if let to run on the engine for a long period of time i.e more than the recommended idle time. This may lead to white smoke appearing on your bike after the flush and could damage your oil seals permanantely.

Flushing method 1 is what i use regularly on our vehicle as it de-carbonize the plumbing very easily, Motul flush is my preferred.

Flushing Method 2 is what i use when i get a project bike or Car which has not been used for over 6 -8 months and lying gathering dust in someones house. it should not be done unless you have the expertise and know what your doing


The post that you have put from How stuff works is referring to the flushing oil method and is out of context when we are talking of flushing vehicles used on a daily basis using an additive.

The oil vacuum pump I have is about 9k INR it was funded by the group as we have lot of high-end bikes and cars. let me fish out some pictures for you. The system has 2 hoses one use to apply a vacuum air and pull out residuals from the drain nut or you can drain oil from the same place as the inlet or apply compressed air from the inlet, the other hose is used to pump in oil via the inlet so that there is better control over input and no spillage.



Will try to post out some picture to this thread over the weekend.

[sanket779292]

Re: Engine Oils

Hello friends,
Does anybody know genuine motul distributor in jaipur
kindly reply with address and phone number.
Thanks

[harish.krovvidi]

Re: Engine Oils

But did you ever enquire with the vehicle manufacturers or their engineers about the correctness of your practice ?

your serious right... have you ever spoken to a person who worked with a Vehicle manufacturer facility or an automobile engineer if not then you just meet one.

Spent 5 yrs at Hyundai Engine components procurement section in Chennai...

I have 2 more people on the forum working from hindustan petroleum R&D and one from shell who can talks on hours on oil weight viscosity and go on blah blah....
right now sitting next to me having a ROFL time seeing this post...


Am out from this thread thanks for the entertainment

[muztariq]

Re: Engine Oils

[MENTION=54541]harish.krovvidi[/MENTION] and [MENTION=29030]Pinaki[/MENTION]

Guys, there are two school of thought running parallel to each other. One being the tried and tested method and the one based on recent technology(sometimes pure hype). Whether you see the Mineral vs Synthetic; the manual's break in procedure vs the motoman's; the normal air vs nitrogen and there are many more parallel school of thoughts. Though both are correct in some or the other way, but no one is wrong for sure!
We have a right to share our opinion on the subject whether or not it goes down well with the opposite school of thought .

My opinion on engine flush is very simple. The best engine flush designed for your engine is the engine oil itself! The correct grade, the correct volume and the correct flushing interval.
The other methods like the ones mentioned by our esteemed contributors may well be very efficient. But I am a little skeptical in adding anything to my engine which is not approved by the manufacturer. For example you add 200 ml of an engine flush in a 0w20 grade oil and a 10w60 oil, how will the engine flush manufacturer know which grade oil your vehicle is using. One grade cant fit all. A 0w20 oil would be like a 0w10 oil after 10,000 km of usage and adding good volume of an engine flush would be unsafe for the engine. I have also read scary stories of engine going bust and starting to leak/burn oil after an engine flush.
I dont think using vacuum for flushing the engine is going to be risky in anyway. This method can be used provided the cost of flushing does not increase to the cost of new oil in small cc engines. You are better off using fresh oil for 500 odd kms and draining it new.

[B7ACKTHORN]

Re: Engine Oils

Veedol Super Swift 10W40 for ZMR - feedback on this??? Few of my mates on ZMR thread told that excellent oils even betters AX7... I am using AX7 since last 15K KMs and no complains till date, rather love the engine oil...

Will be waiting for the feedback form the seniours

Veedol I haven't used it, but I know a guy who used it in his Apache, his experience wasn't just out of the ordinary, didn't feel any difference from TVS TRU4 but then I remember him commenting about over heating. But that's his take and I just enquired about it, I remember close to a year back. But you can use Valvoline or Motul or Agip if possible Elf.

Cheers!
VJ

[Aniruddha Shinde]

Re: Engine Oils

Thats a mineral oil from Motul (3100), 5100 comes as in SS(semi synthetic) and 7100 comes as in FS(fully synthetic). Drain interval for the 3100 20w50 is ideally 2000kms. I use the same in my P150.

Thanks buddy... My bike seems loving this oil... Compared to Bajaj and Castrol I put earlier, Gear Shifts and Pick up has been improved.... Will try 5100 after words...

[maadyy]

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Thanks buddy... My bike seems loving this oil... Compared to Bajaj and Castrol I put earlier, Gear Shifts and Pick up has been improved.... Will try 5100 after words...

You are welcome bro. This is really a very good oil compared to Bajaj or Castrol. When you use 5100 or 7100 keep the oil amount in check as the FS and SS tends to vaporise may be. As last time I have used 5100 15W50 but after running for around 2000km my engine seized. I took it to ASC and when drained the oil there was around 400ml only. Another member then suggested me that for Pulsars below 200NS generation has a tendency to vaporize the FS and SS so it's better to use mineral oil and I am happy with 3100 20w50. I belive Avenger has got an engine of P220 so keep the oil amount in check when you will be using SS or FS.

[Divya Sharan]

Re: Engine Oils

Another member then suggested me that for Pulsars below 200NS generation has a tendency to vaporize the FS and SS

What a lame point! Who on earth ever said that to you?
Engine oil does vaporize, but never in excess of 100-150 ml within 3k kms. Its the oil leakage that has to be looked into.

[maadyy]

Re: Engine Oils

What a lame point! Who on earth ever said that to you?
Engine oil does vaporize, but never in excess of 100-150 ml within 3k kms. Its the oil leakage that has to be looked into.

My engine seized, after that I took it to bajaj SC. They drained around 400ml of oil before me only. So now the question is where did the rest of the oil go if it doesn't vaporise...... There wasn't any kind of oil leakage issue.

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I keep a check on kilometer as I my drain interval was 1400-1700k. Last time I was using Motul 5100 15W50 SS. I traveled 1908kms and was in a mind set to drain the oil at 2000kms. But before that only the incident happened. Mine is P150 UG4. So what do you suggest?

[Divya Sharan]

Re: Engine Oils

My engine seized, after that I took it to bajaj SC. They drained around 400ml of oil before me only. So now the question is where did the rest of the oil go if it doesn't vaporise...... There wasn't any kind of oil leakage issue.

How much was filled the last time? Was the engine oil leaking *into* the chamber? What do you mean by seized? What exactly seized? Did you find that out?

[maadyy]

Re: Engine Oils

How much was filled the last time? Was the engine oil leaking *into* the chamber? What do you mean by seized? What exactly seized? Did you find that out?

I had to change my piston bore kit completely. No there wasn't any kind of leakage. I was really awestruck how it has happened. Thats what was my query, I used to change engine oil religiously, still the floor engineer at Bajaj SC pointed me out that it happened due to quantity of engine oil. I always drain the engine oil completely so 1ltr is the quantity that I always fill.

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http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/motorcycle-ownership-experiences/4984-bajaj-pulsar-150-all-versions-112.html

You can go through the thread.

[devils_friend]

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I had to change my piston bore kit completely. No there wasn't any kind of leakage. I was really awestruck how it has happened. Thats what was my query, I used to change engine oil religiously, still the floor engineer at Bajaj SC pointed me out that it happened due to quantity of engine oil. I always drain the engine oil completely so 1ltr is the quantity that I always fill.

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http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/motorcycle-ownership-experiences/4984-bajaj-pulsar-150-all-versions-112.html

You can go through the thread.

You have mentioned that, when you drained the oil, only "400ml" was drained. This means that, the engine was consuming oil and you didn't notice it. I doubt if you were checking oil level regularly. Any engine that is running low on oil is bound to sieze at that very moment. Also, since you were on Motul 15W50 oil, maybe the engine wasn't functioning normally with this oil which lead to oil consumption.

Cheerz!!

[maadyy]

Re: Engine Oils

You have mentioned that, when you drained the oil, only "400ml" was drained. This means that, the engine was consuming oil and you didn't notice it. I doubt if you were checking oil level regularly. Any engine that is running low on oil is bound to sieze at that very moment. Also, since you were on Motul 15W50 oil, maybe the engine wasn't functioning normally with this oil which lead to oil consumption.

Cheerz!!

Correct me if I am wrong. When the engine consumes the oil white smoke should come out or some kind of smoke should come out from exhaust, which was not there. Secondly if you have noticed I used to drain engine oils quite early as compared to normal draining period. So I never felt the need of checking the quantity of engine oil. Thirdly if engine doesn't function properly there must be some noise or some kind of sign, hhich was not there and I used to ride everyday for around 80kms happily with muted or kind of silent engine (less loud). No issues faced regarding engine.

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It was really tough situation for me to identify the reason of such kind of behavior of oil. I was suspecting may be that was not original Motul but then some other member and a friend of mine suggested that old gen Pulsars has a tendency of such thing happening. If you go through the thread I have mentioned you can read it there.

[devils_friend]

Re: Engine Oils

Correct me if I am wrong. When the engine consumes the oil white smoke should come out or some kind of smoke should come out from exhaust, which was not there. Secondly if you have noticed I used to drain engine oils quite early as compared to normal draining period. So I never felt the need of checking the quantity of engine oil. Thirdly if engine doesn't function properly there must be some noise or some kind of sign, hhich was not there and I used to ride everyday for around 80kms happily with muted or kind of silent engine (less loud). No issues faced regarding engine.

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It was really tough situation for me to identify the reason of such kind of behavior of oil. I was suspecting may be that was not original Motul but then some other member and a friend of mine suggested that old gen Pulsars has a tendency of such thing happening. If you go through the thread I have mentioned you can read it there.

Any bike consumes some amount of engine oil, let it be old one or a brand new one. One cannot suspect anything wrong just by looking at the engine from outside. White smoke comes when the piston rings have gone kaput and oil seeps in the combustion chamber. So, in your case is wasn't coming. But, this does not mean engine oil is not being consumed. Draining oil earlier than recommended will not mean that engine oil will not be consumed.

If old generation pulsars have such issues (as your friend has told you) it would have been a good practice if you had kept a check at oil level regularly to avois piston block failure

Cheerz!!

[maadyy]

Re: Engine Oils

Any bike consumes some amount of engine oil, let it be old one or a brand new one. One cannot suspect anything wrong just by looking at the engine from outside. White smoke comes when the piston rings have gone kaput and oil seeps in the combustion chamber. So, in your case is wasn't coming. But, this does not mean engine oil is not being consumed. Draining oil earlier than recommended will not mean that engine oil will not be consumed.

If old generation pulsars have such issues (as your friend has told you) it would have been a good practice if you had kept a check at oil level regularly to avois piston block failure

Cheerz!!

My engine oil drain period was short because of my riding style , the engine oil used to be pitch dark when drained at around 1400kms (roughly). It's normal that 100ml max 200ml of oil is consumed by every bike. As mentioned by you it's clear that there was no issue with Piston rings and actually it wasn't, you can see the pics posted in the above mentioned thread, then how that much of engine oil got consumed?

I believed in my friends statement because it was for the first time I was using Semi Synthetic oil in my 2 years of ownership and Pulsar have certain characteristics like in most of the pulsars having digital fuel meter shows wrong amount. Even in mine is no exception and does the same form first day. Chain slack and bike handling (tend to move left or right) issue is also common.

Now even if I agree with you that the engine oil is consumed and it is not vaporised can you tell me how?

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Nothing personal bro. But I really want to understand the issue that has actually happened. I will be happy if you can really throw some more light into it as you did. I was actually pretty sad that day as I try to maintain my bike the best possible way. May be there are certain things I must know. but as you said I have kept the engine oil level in check and after run in period it is almost 700km now the bike is running fine. But I didn't dare to use FS/SS anymore after that incident and using 3100 20W50. It is giving me a good a service and happily living with it.