Engine Oils

[SparKot]

Re: JASO Certified 4T Motorcyle Oils

Many companies don't go for JASO / API certifications owing to the cost of certifying the oil. They generally test the oil in there respective laboratory and say "meets/exceeds" API SG/SL/SM etc etc.

What's the cost of undergoing JASO certification?

[kusmaker]

Re: JASO Certified 4T Motorcyle Oils

All right devil , so is there any other brands full synthetic oil for 2strokes.

[muztariq]

Re: JASO Certified 4T Motorcyle Oils

What's the cost of undergoing JASO certification?

INR 25,000 per oil.

Renewable every year I think! May be they have not applied for it this year/month. They already claim JASO MA2 certification on AX7 oil.

[SparKot]

Re: JASO Certified 4T Motorcyle Oils

Is it safe to use Motul 300v double ester fully synthetic engine oil in yamaha rx-100

All right devil , so is there any other brands full synthetic oil for 2strokes.

Check 2T Engine Oils from the same(Motul India Portal) maker:
Mineral: Motomix 2T - Motul
Synthetic: 800 2T Factory Line Road Racing - Motul

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INR 25,000 per oil.

Renewable every year I think! May be they have not applied for it this year/month. They already claim JASO MA2 certification on AX7 oil.

Shell motorcycle oils weren't there in 2012 result sheets either, I see Diesel-Engine-Oils(DEO) on the certified list.

₹ 25,000 per oil-grade is cheaper as opposed to API counterpart!!!

Excerpt from All about Motor Oils

The cost of getting an API certification for a single S motor oil formulation is from $125,000 to $300,000. The cost for C certification is $275,000 to $500,000. Once testing is complete, the oil can be licensed for $825 per year, plus a small royalty fee per gallon sold for all gallons over one million. The length of time between new specifications is now approximately 2 to 3 years, which does not allow a great deal of time to recover testing costs.

[muztariq]

Re: JASO Certified 4T Motorcyle Oils

Check 2T Engine Oils from the same(Motul India Portal) maker:
Mineral: Motomix 2T - Motul
Synthetic: 800 2T Factory Line Road Racing - Motul

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Shell motorcycle oils weren't there in 2012 result sheets either, I see Diesel-Engine-Oils(DEO) on the certified list.

₹ 25,000 per oil-grade is cheaper as opposed to API counterpart!!!

Excerpt from All about Motor Oils

What I was telling about was just the JASO management fee. The testing fee would be very high.

[devils_friend]

Re: Engine Oils

Go thru the JASO site and you will understand about it. Maybe Shell hasn't renewed its JASO certification.

Cheerz!!

[SparKot]

Re: Engine Oils

Go thru the JASO site and you will understand about it. Maybe Shell hasn't renewed its JASO certification. Cheerz!!

Thanks, will do it.

[Honda_abhi]

Re: JASO Certified 4T Motorcyle Oils

JASO Certified 4T Motorcycle Engine Oils 01Apr2014

Complete Specs/Results Archive:
JASO Archive

Shell 4T Motorcycle oils don't show up on the list, is this something to worry about?

Does this list show the oils sold in India??? More than 60% names of oils mentioned in the list are not available in Indian market.
Moreover the list shows castrol 4T as Jaso certified with code M044CAS117. This code is not mentioned on any castrol 4T bottles sold in India.

IMHO, oil companies are taking indian customers for a ride by mentioning words like "meets Jaso standards" or "exceeds Jaso standards"


Jaso certified oils will have "Jaso T903:2011" mentioned on the bottle/pouch/pack. The previous standard was "Jaso T903:2006". I suggest all motorcycle oil buyers to look for this mark metioned on the bottle/pack.

[SparKot]

Re: JASO Certified 4T Motorcyle Oils

What I was telling about was just the JASO management fee. The testing fee would be very high.

How much?

Go thru the JASO site and you will understand about it. Maybe Shell hasn't renewed its JASO certification.

Which site are talking about? This one JASO Engine Oil Standards Implementation Panel was bare minimum.

Does this list show the oils sold in India??? More than 60% names of oils mentioned in the list are not available in Indian market.
Moreover the list shows castrol 4T as Jaso certified with code M044CAS117. This code is not mentioned on any castrol 4T bottles sold in India. The same stands for Elf lubricants.

IMHO, oil companies are taking indian customers for a ride by mentioning words like "meets Jaso standards" and exceeds Jaso standards"

We cannot be certain that we're being taken for a ride knowing certification alone costs heavy. Nevertheless, we're in the dark.

Well, I've below bottles: both cost me above ₹ 500/- (import duty)
Motul 4T 5100 15w50 with OilCode : M033MOT114
Motul 4T 5100 10w30 with OilCode : M033MOT111

Jaso certifies samples from across the world. Shell bottles doesn't seem to have JASO certification logo.

[devils_friend]

Re: Engine Oils

http://jalos.or.jp/onfile/pdf/4T_EV_LIST.pdf

Click the above link and you will get The list of various OMC's across the world who have their oil registered with JASO standards.

Cheerz!!

[devils_friend]

Re: JASO Certified 4T Motorcyle Oils

Does this list show the oils sold in India??? More than 60% names of oils mentioned in the list are not available in Indian market.
Moreover the list shows castrol 4T as Jaso certified with code M044CAS117. This code is not mentioned on any castrol 4T bottles sold in India. The same stands for Elf lubricants.

IMHO, oil companies are taking indian customers for a ride by mentioning words like "meets Jaso standards" or "exceeds Jaso standards"


Jaso certified oils will have "Jaso T903:2011" mentioned on the bottle/pouch/pack. The previous standard was "Jaso T903:2006". I suggest all motorcycle oil buyers to look for this mark metioned on the bottle/pack.

Reputed OMC's who have good OEM biz or have good market share chunk with them, would never claim "meets/exceeds JASO MA/MA2/MB" without running the actual test for claiming JASO.

Cheerz!!

[SparKot]

Re: Engine Oils

http://jalos.or.jp/onfile/pdf/4T_EV_LIST.pdf Click the above link and you will get The list of various OMC's across the world who have their oil registered with JASO standards.

Thank you, that clears my primary/main doubt.

[Honda_abhi]

Re: JASO Certified 4T Motorcyle Oils

Well, I've below bottles: both cost me above ₹ 500/- (import duty)
Motul 4T 5100 15w50 with OilCode : M033MOT114
Motul 4T 5100 10w30 with OilCode : M033MOT111

Most of the high end Motul oils are imported and not manufactured in India. Hence you can be sure of their quality. For oils advertising "meets / exceeds jaso standards", there is still obscurity whether they really conform with the jaso requirements

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Reputed OMC's who have good OEM biz or have good market share chunk with them, would never claim "meets/exceeds JASO MA/MA2/MB" without running the actual test for claiming JASO.

Cheerz!!

If they have enough money to run the tests at their own R&D centers, then why not send a sample to JASO for certification.

As it is, they are sending samples of oil sold in other countries to JASO for certification. The reason is that in other countries the consumer movement is so strong that if questioned in courts, the oil companies will have to pay compensation.

In India, as the consumer movement is not strong enough, the oil companies are taking undue benefit of it.

My suggestion is to stick to MOtul oils if you are looking for real JASO certified oils.

[devils_friend]

Re: JASO Certified 4T Motorcyle Oils

Most of the high end Motul oils are imported and not manufactured in India. Hence you can be sure of their quality. For oils advertising "meets / exceeds jaso standards", there is still obscurity whether they really conform with the jaso requirements

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If they have enough money to run the tests at their own R&D centers, then why not send a sample to JASO for certification.

As it is, they are sending samples of oil sold in other countries to JASO for certification. The reason is that in other countries the consumer movement is so strong that if questioned in courts, the oil companies will have to pay compensation.

In India, as the consumer movement is not strong enough, the oil companies are taking undue benefit of it.

My suggestion is to stick to MOtul oils if you are looking for real JASO certified oils.

For your information, go thru point number 4.6 in the link posted by me some posts back. You can see all the Indian OMC's names there who have JASO certifications.

As i have said earlier, no reputed company will print JASO standards on there oil without having passed the test and ontained the certification for the same.

Cheerz!!

[Pinaki]

Re: JASO Certified 4T Motorcyle Oils

Unless the label bears this exact symbol with the corresponding JASO certification number and year , it is not a JASO certified oil - whatever else may be claimed .