Engine Oils

[shanky442]

Re: really confused !!

Hi All,

I have completed 9500 Kms on my Apache 160. I still use the engine oil given by the service centre. Can u all please suggest me which engine oil should i use now. Can i go for fully synthetic oil. If yes then which oil should i opt for.
Please suggest.

Thanks

[kusmaker]

Re: really confused !!

JASO certification has got nothing to do with oil being categorised as Mineral / Semi Synthetic / Full Synthetic.

Cheerz!!

Japanese motorcycle manufacturers founded that the specification designed by APITC to be too loose. Oils which were certified by API TC were still emitting too much smoke and was not able in exhaust blocking, therefore JASO implemented these specifications of Jaso fa, fb and so on.

[devils_friend]

Re: really confused !!

Japanese motorcycle manufacturers founded that the specification designed by APITC to be too loose. Oils which were certified by API TC were still emitting too much smoke and was not able in exhaust blocking, therefore JASO implemented these specifications of Jaso fa, fb and so on.

Brother, JASO Standards ratings are for Clutch and Gear Pitting. The oil has to pass the test under said limits for them to claim JASO for their oil. If you go thru the JASO manual, you will understand what exactly it stands for.

Cheerz!!

[saumyadip]

Re: really confused !!

Hi saumyadip. I feel you should go with Motul 7100 4T 10W40. This oil is jaso certified. JASO certification will ensure that you dont get duped by bogus oils marketed as "Fully synthetic"

Also this oil is with ester technology. Oils with ester technology are manufactured from Group 5 base stock and are one of the finest FS oils available in the market.

Would not FS oil be too much for 100 CC ?

[Honda_abhi]

Re: Engine Oils

If someone want real fs oil than go for
MOTUL 300V no other oil can beat it

tej

Very true Tej !! Any oil containing esters can be termed as a "real FS oil" The motul 300V range has double ester technology. but, to use 300V for bikes below 150 cc would be an overkill. MOreover the oil has a tendency to evaporate depending on the frequency of "stop and go" traffic. Top-up of anywhere between 50 - 150 ml is required after every 2K kms

[kusmaker]

Re: really confused !!

Brother, JASO Standards ratings are for Clutch and Gear Pitting. The oil has to pass the test under said limits for them to claim JASO for their oil. If you go thru the JASO manual, you will understand what exactly it stands for.

Cheerz!!

Hmm, i will go thru the manual buddy, thanks for informing.

[Honda_abhi]

Re: really confused !!

Guys !!! no offence here but If you go through the JASO manual you will come to know that JASO certifies oil on the basis of sulphated ash content, phosphorous content, shear resistance etc. It also checks if the oil stated as 20W40 oil is actually a 20W40 oil by measuring its kinematic viscosity and other parameters.
I would like to state that the sulphated ash and phosphorus content in the oil corelates directly with clutch slippage and catalytic convertors.

Also base stocks of oil are generically categorised by all oil rating associations into 5 groups. And it is stated that only those oils manufactured from Group 4 or 5 base stock and containing PAOs or esters are to be termed "Fully Synthetic oils"

BOTTOM LINE IS - If you are looking for genuine "Fully synthetic oils" look for oils having esters or PAOs.
- If you want to be sure about the quality look out for JASO certification number and logo on the oil bottle.

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Guys !!! no offence here but If you go through the JASO manual you will come to know that JASO certifies oil on the basis of sulphated ash content, phosphorous content, shear resistance etc. It also checks if the oil stated as 20W40 oil is actually a 20W40 oil by measuring its kinematic viscosity and other parameters.
I would like to state that the sulphated ash and phosphorus content in the oil corelates directly with clutch slippage and catalytic convertors.

Also base stocks of oil are generically categorised by all oil rating associations into 5 groups. And it is stated that only those oils manufactured from Group 4 or 5 base stock and containing PAOs or esters are to be termed "Fully Synthetic oils"

BOTTOM LINE IS - If you are looking for genuine "Fully synthetic oils" look for oils having esters or PAOs.
- If you want to be sure about the quality look out for JASO certification number and logo on the oil bottle.

[suprasuperb80]

Re: Engine Oils

[MENTION=56899]shanky442[/MENTION]
Recommend Engine oil(as per Shell LubeMate) for TVS Apache 160 would be
1. Shell Advance 4T Ultra 10w 40 Fully Synthetic.
Or
2. Shell Advance 4T AX7 10w 40 Semi Synthetic.

I would personally prefer Shell Advance Ultra.
Cheers

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[kusmaker]

Re: really confused !!

Guys !!! no offence here but If you go through the JASO manual you will come to know that JASO certifies oil on the basis of sulphated ash content, phosphorous content, shear resistance etc. It also checks if the oil stated as 20W40 oil is actually a 20W40 oil by measuring its kinematic viscosity and other parameters.
I would like to state that the sulphated ash and phosphorus content in the oil corelates directly with clutch slippage and catalytic convertors.

Also base stocks of oil are generically categorised by all oil rating associations into 5 groups. And it is stated that only those oils manufactured from Group 4 or 5 base stock and containing PAOs or esters are to be termed "Fully Synthetic oils"

BOTTOM LINE IS - If you are looking for genuine "Fully synthetic oils" look for oils having esters or PAOs.
- If you want to be sure about the quality look out for JASO certification number and logo on the oil bottle.

----consecutive posts auto-merged-----

Guys !!! no offence here but If you go through the JASO manual you will come to know that JASO certifies oil on the basis of sulphated ash content, phosphorous content, shear resistance etc. It also checks if the oil stated as 20W40 oil is actually a 20W40 oil by measuring its kinematic viscosity and other parameters.
I would like to state that the sulphated ash and phosphorus content in the oil corelates directly with clutch slippage and catalytic convertors.

Also base stocks of oil are generically categorised by all oil rating associations into 5 groups. And it is stated that only those oils manufactured from Group 4 or 5 base stock and containing PAOs or esters are to be termed "Fully Synthetic oils"

BOTTOM LINE IS - If you are looking for genuine "Fully synthetic oils" look for oils having esters or PAOs.
- If you want to be sure about the quality look out for JASO certification number and logo on the oil bottle.

To protect the environment from air pollution, the emission from ICE engines have been regulated, like Nox and Particulate matters, it has been indicated that sulphated ash, phosphorus and sulphur or (SAPS) in engine oils deteriorates the performance of catalyt by poisoning and deposith DPF, so low SAPS engine oils has been increasingly developed and is used in the recent years.

[curve_king]

Re: Engine Oils

Need advice here people..
Is it okay to use hdeo (shell rimula etc) in an activa engine with about 45k kms on the odo(7 years old ).
Engine oil change was irregular before as running was less. Its used mostly for short trips(less than 22km roundtrip).
Have read the posts on hdeos so just want to know whether carbon deposit cleaning leading to loss of compression will be an issue or not ?

[Divyanshp150]

Re: Engine Oils

Need advice here people..
Is it okay to use hdeo (shell rimula etc) in an activa engine with about 45k kms on the odo(7 years old ).
Engine oil change was irregular before as running was less. Its used mostly for short trips(less than 22km roundtrip).
Have read the posts on hdeos so just want to know whether carbon deposit cleaning leading to loss of compression will be an issue or not ?

I dont think you should be doing that, if you really want to flush your engine without removing excessive carbon deposits that may lead to compression loss, just get a bottle oil low quality engine oil , say servo 10w30 mineral oip, run it for about 200kms within a week (yeak take a long trip bro your engine needs it), before drainage run the engine for about 5 kms and drain it when hot, enjoy the black gunk that comes out, replace with a can of motul scooter oil 800ml posted a few pages back and stick to it!
Many guys run on hdeo with no issues, while some guys face compression loss if there engines are quite old.
You want to take a run and not get run out
Choose a safe ball
Hope it helps
divyansh....

[kusmaker]

Re: Engine Oils

Need advice here people..
Is it okay to use hdeo (shell rimula etc) in an activa engine with about 45k kms on the odo(7 years old ).
Engine oil change was irregular before as running was less. Its used mostly for short trips(less than 22km roundtrip).
Have read the posts on hdeos so just want to know whether carbon deposit cleaning leading to loss of compression will be an issue or not ?

Although you have got best oil from motul for these so called, hassle free, no nonsense, fun to ride and unisex automatic scooters, but still if you want to use Rimula go for the mono grade version which R2 40, this oil is specially designed for off-road and older on-highway vehicles.

[curve_king]

Re: Engine Oils

Thanks [MENTION=49419]kusmaker[/MENTION]
It certainly helps [MENTION=66664]Divyanshp150[/MENTION]

[Honda_abhi]

Re: really confused !!

Would not FS oil be too much for 100 CC ?

I feel that FS oil will give you superior protection in stop and go traffic and will last for over 5K kms. In the long run it turns out to be better option than mineral oils.

Still, If you feel that FS would be too much for 100 cc, then try JASO certified mineral oil like Motul 3000 4T 20W40.

[saumyadip]

Re: really confused !!

I feel that FS oil will give you superior protection in stop and go traffic and will last for over 5K kms. In the long run it turns out to be better option than mineral oils.

Still, If you feel that FS would be too much for 100 cc, then try JASO certified mineral oil like Motul 3000 4T 20W40.

Motul 300v 10w40 Fs, will it be good for my bajaj discover 100 !! Fs oil tends to evaporate so, after how many kms will I have to top up it again ?