Engine Oils

[nadz11.ns]

Re: really confused !!

Motul 300v 10w40 Fs, will it be good for my bajaj discover 100 !! Fs oil tends to evaporate so, after how many kms will I have to top up it again ?

Use SS and be happy, both with performance and cost wise.
Also, use company recommended grade oil. Bike sometimes doesn't like other grades.

Still, if you want to use FS, your wish. Top up after 1500-2000 kms (check the level and if it low, top it up)

300v costs some 1k now a days, buy two bottles of SS and it would be more healthy to use a fresh oil after 3-4k kms than using a single oil till 5-6k kms.

[Honda_abhi]

Re: really confused !!

Motul 300v 10w40 Fs, will it be good for my bajaj discover 100 !! Fs oil tends to evaporate so, after how many kms will I have to top up it again ?

Motul 300V 10W40 FS would be best. Check oil levels after every 1500 - 2000 kms. I checked last week in Pune and the price is 1150 Rs/liter. The oil will last more than 5000 kms.

If you feel it is too costly, try Motul 7100 10W40 FS . Price - 750 Rs/liter.

Diference between Motul 300V 10W40 FS and Motul 7100 10W40 FS is that 300V has double ester and 7100 has single ester. Both are FS oils.

[SparKot]

Re: really confused !!

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Diference between Motul 300V 10W40 FS and Motul 7100 10W40 FS is that 300V has double ester and 7100 has single ester. Both are FS oils.

Any info on the difference between Single-Ester & Double-Ester?

[Divyanshp150]

Re: really confused !!

Any info on the difference between Single-Ester & Double-Ester?

I dont know the difference with reference to their reactions but what I can tell you is that they are manufactured using (sometimes) organic fatty acids! Unimportant gore info
I have used both 7100 and 300v (motul, they are single and double esters respectively ) and I have felt if you are redlining all day then 300v sort of is better , kind of felt good on highways but sad in the city where even relatively newer cluth plates slipped quite a lot......unfortunately I have faced gasket leaks with 300v on a pulsar and same oil in another pulsar didnt cause the leaks, have herd from all to many riders it has a tendency to eat through gaskets and sealeants (double esters more than single esters), 7100 seems better of with clutch slippage, just a few times in about 4000km. Redlining it continously and the engine felt a little harsh when it didnt with 300v,
Also the double ester one turned black quicker compared to the single ester one, and yes did I mention double ester wala oil vaporised more and had a tendency to burn, though with very little white smoke! Switched to 7100 and the seeming compression loss was gone! No smoke!
I dont know if this was helpful but it was my experience with a double and single ester oil on 2 pulsars, same grade over same terrain and ride conditions, except a few misplaced rains:banghead:

A friend with a 2 stroke using single ester 2t oil from motul said when he opened his head for decarb it looked clean! And bike smoked lesser and double ester 2t was thicker compared to single ester 2t.



divyansh....

[Honda_abhi]

Re: really confused !!

Any info on the difference between Single-Ester & Double-Ester?

hmmm! to explain this I will have to talk some chemistry. Please bear with me.

esters are basically products of reactions carried out between acids and alcohols. They are hydrocarbons having multiple ester linkages (COOR) which impart polarity to the molecules. This polarity affects the way they behave as lubricants


1) The polarity of the ester molecules causes them to be attracted to one another. Therefore, at a given molecular weight or viscosity, the esters will exhibit a higher flash point. Hence true FS oils which contain esters do not break down easily.


2) Metal surfaces inside the engine get positively charged when they are moving. This positive charge attracts the esters which form a protective film over the surfaces and increases lubrication


3) The polarity of esters also attracts dirt particles and sludge. Hence FS oils containing esters have more capacity of keeping dirt in suspension and does not allow it to get deposited on engine parts. In other words - better detergent action


Now double esters are basically diesters which are formed by reactions between dibasic acids and alcohols. this results in two (COOR) linkages per molecule.
This in turn results in double the polarity and double the benefits mentioned in points 1,2 and 3


I hope I didnt bore everybody here

Moral of story : - If you are looking for genuine FS oils look for oils having ester technology.

PS - thanks for reading the stuff patiently.

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I dont know the difference with reference to their reactions but what I can tell you is that they are manufactured using (sometimes) organic fatty acids! Unimportant gore info
I have used both 7100 and 300v (motul, they are single and double esters respectively ) and I have felt if you are redlining all day then 300v sort of is better , kind of felt good on highways but sad in the city where even relatively newer cluth plates slipped quite a lot......unfortunately I have faced gasket leaks with 300v on a pulsar and same oil in another pulsar didnt cause the leaks, have herd from all to many riders it has a tendency to eat through gaskets and sealeants (double esters more than single esters), 7100 seems better of with clutch slippage, just a few times in about 4000km. Redlining it continously and the engine felt a little harsh when it didnt with 300v,
Also the double ester one turned black quicker compared to the single ester one, and yes did I mention double ester wala oil vaporised more and had a tendency to burn, though with very little white smoke! Switched to 7100 and the seeming compression loss was gone! No smoke!
I dont know if this was helpful but it was my experience with a double and single ester oil on 2 pulsars, same grade over same terrain and ride conditions, except a few misplaced rains:banghead:

A friend with a 2 stroke using single ester 2t oil from motul said when he opened his head for decarb it looked clean! And bike smoked lesser and double ester 2t was thicker compared to single ester 2t.



divyansh....

Hi divyansh! Thts a lovely summary u posted. I bored the guys with theory, while you posted your practical experience. If u correlate the theory with your experience, it will perfectly match with what I said.

The quality of material used in India to manufacture clutch plates and engine components result in adverse effects (clutch slippage, gasket leaks, etc) when we use 300V. This is because 300V has better lubrication, better detergent qualities than 7100. No fault of the oil. India should uplift the quality of engine components

I think we are better off using 7100 in Indian bikes

[kusmaker]

Re: really confused !!

Motul 300v is not 100% ester, anybody who says this is making false statement i believe, 100% oil dosen't necessarily means that its fs oil, it can be blend of ester/pao/gp3/an, and could be any proportion still called by the company fs oil, motul is very good oil or way best, but to my knowledge it's not 100% ester, it could be near 30 to 40% ester, most of the oil companies which claims there oil as ester or full synthetic or 100% synthetic also marked the oil(though small in letters on the can) PAO ester based formulation and the formulation could be near 20 to 30%.

[SparKot]

Motul fully-Synths Oils

hmmm! to explain this I will have to talk some chemistry. Please bear with me.
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thanks for reading the stuff patiently.
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Man, I'm happy to read technical stuff. The only thing I could recall from 10+2 chemistry about esters was their aromatic nature. Didn't know Double-esters were Diesters.
Ester - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Any comment on upcoming Core-Ester from Motul?

You may have a point there with poor quality gaskets giving up on Motul 300V.

Technical analysis of
Motul 5100 10w50 (fail in GSX 750)
Motul 7100 10w40 (pass in GSX 750)
Shell Ultra 10w40 (fail in Kawasaki KX 250)

Motul 5100 10w-50 oil analysis : Suzuki GSX-R Motorcycle Forums: Gixxer.com

PS: you may have to register on site to download attachments.

Something on Motul 300v 10w40:
Motul 300V - 2012 Sukuki DL650 VStrom | Used Oil Analysis - Motorcycle | Bob Is The Oil Guy


Some food for thought to Geeks:
Used-Oil-Analysis(UOA-Motorcycle)
Used Oil Analysis - Motorcycle | Bob Is The Oil Guy

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but to my knowledge it's not 100% ester, it could be near 30 to 40% ester
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What's the rest of 60-70% make up with in Fully synthetic oils?

[saumyadip]

Re: really confused !!

Motul 300V 10W40 FS would be best. Check oil levels after every 1500 - 2000 kms. I checked last week in Pune and the price is 1150 Rs/liter. The oil will last more than 5000 kms.

If you feel it is too costly, try Motul 7100 10W40 FS . Price - 750 Rs/liter.

Diference between Motul 300V 10W40 FS and Motul 7100 10W40 FS is that 300V has double ester and 7100 has single ester. Both are FS oils.

Here 300v costs 950 rs/liter. But price is not my concern but.. My worry is the oil top up after every 2000kms.. that means i have to buy another 300v or there is another alternative ?

[nadz11.ns]

Re: really confused !!

Here 300v costs 950 rs/liter. But price is not my concern but.. My worry is the oil top up after every 2000kms.. that means i have to buy another 300v or there is another alternative ?

You will have to buy 2 cans of 300v and use it. No alternatives. Simple !
Want to ripe the fruits of this oil, then use the same to topup also.



Such silly queries :/ want to fill with one oil and asking for some other to topup !

[SparKot]

Re: really confused !!

Here 300v costs 950 rs/liter. But price is not my concern but.. My worry is the oil top up after every 2000kms.. that means i have to buy another 300v or there is another alternative ?

1. Go with 7100 Single ester
2. Go with 300v double ester

Buy one bottle initially for changing, buy another bottle if you see oil-disappearing during frequent inspections.

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I usually remember the user Ids.

Shell Rimula 15w40.

1. How do you get user/screen names with spaces?
2. Which Rimula 15w40 is it among:

http://www.shell.com/ind/products-services/on-the-road/consumer-lubricants-tpkg/trucks/shell-range-truck-heavy-duty-engine-oils/advanced-multi-grade-oils.html

[saumyadip]

Re: really confused !!

You will have to buy 2 cans of 300v and use it. No alternatives. Simple !
Want to ripe the fruits of this oil, then use the same to topup also.



Such silly queries :/ want to fill with one oil and asking for some other to topup !

thanks bro. yeah I know that being silly.. but just wanted to be double sure.

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1. Go with 7100 Single ester
2. Go with 300v double ester

Buy one bottle initially for changing, buy another bottle if you see oil-disappearing during frequent inspections.

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1. How do you get user/screen names with spaces?
2. Which Rimula 15w40 is it among:
http://www.shell.com/ind/products-se...rade-oils.html

Going with 300v, will buy another if needed. Thanks

[SparKot]

Re: really confused !!

Going with 300v, will buy another if needed. Thanks

Make sure the MFD(ManuFactured Date) on the bottle is at least 2013; not the import date. Do not buy old stock...

[sinnerz2000]

Re: really confused !!

thanks bro. yeah I know that being silly.. but just wanted to be double sure.

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Going with 300v, will buy another if needed. Thanks

Might as well go for 7100, since in some bikes the 7100 feels better than the 300v

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[saumyadip]

Re: really confused !!

Make sure the MFD(ManuFactured Date) on the bottle is at least 2013; not the import date. Do not buy old stock...

Will make it sure .

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Might as well go for 7100, since in some bikes the 7100 feels better than the 300v

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I will let you know when I buy it. I am really biased now, 300v or 7100.. anyway choosing anyone of those I will end up buying Fs oil.. so depends on the mood when I am buying.

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thanks to everyone for their support, and coming up with useful suggestions . happy ridding guyz

[Divya Sharan]

Re: really confused !!

1. How do you get user/screen names with spaces?
2. Which Rimula 15w40 is it among:
Advanced multi-grade oils - India

1. Actually I usually remember IDs with/without spaces. Hence, I just append the ID (with/without spaces) with @.
2. Shell Rimula R3X as well as R4. Both are compatible but R4 is better slightly.