Engine Oils

[Honda_abhi]

Re: really confused !!

Motul 300v is not 100% ester, anybody who says this is making false statement i believe, 100% oil dosen't necessarily means that its fs oil, it can be blend of ester/pao/gp3/an, and could be any proportion still called by the company fs oil, motul is very good oil or way best, but to my knowledge it's not 100% ester, it could be near 30 to 40% ester, most of the oil companies which claims there oil as ester or full synthetic or 100% synthetic also marked the oil(though small in letters on the can) PAO ester based formulation and the formulation could be near 20 to 30%.

I did not say Motul 300V is 100% ester. The amount of ester in any engine oils varies from 5% to 20% (Max).
Oils having PAOs are manufactured from group 4 base stock and oils having esters are manufactured from group 5 base stock. According to oil rating organizations like ACEA, API, JASO etc, oils made from group 4 and 5 base stocks are FS oils.
Any other oils (not having PAOs or Esters) are not genuine FS oils.

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Here 300v costs 950 rs/liter. But price is not my concern but.. My worry is the oil top up after every 2000kms.. that means i have to buy another 300v or there is another alternative ?

For a 100 cc bike, first try 7100 with single esters . Let the bike's engine get tuned to presence of esters. Then go for 300V double ester.

[Divyanshp150]

Re: Engine Oils

[MENTION=68044]Honda_abhi[/MENTION] , thank you buddy and yes I sucked in chemistry during my +2, thankfully electrical engineering dosent have much chemistry
And that was very informative not at all boring, helped to understand why and what I felt with that oil on a chemical level
@ sparkot, damm indian oil seals, I have also experienced that anabond coated gaskets dont leak with 300v whereas 3-bond coated ones do, head cover gasket (rubber) is more prone. So thats a headsup ti use anabond instead of 3 bond.
@ksumaker yep no oil is 100% ester based but I think motul is coming up with something for that, motul france has some graphite engine coating too! Read it some where.
@ saumyadip buddy you will have tontop up and they will fall in level (more in summer less in winter), but it will be so smooth you wil like the extrafew bucks you are spending.



divyansh....

[kusmaker]

Re: really confused !!

I did not say Motul 300V is 100% ester. The amount of ester in any engine oils varies from 5% to 20% (Max).
Oils having PAOs are manufactured from group 4 base stock and oils having esters are manufactured from group 5 base stock. According to oil rating organizations like ACEA, API, JASO etc, oils made from group 4 and 5 base stocks are FS oils.
Any other oils (not having PAOs or Esters) are not genuine FS oils.

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For a 100 cc bike, first try 7100 with single esters . Let the bike's engine get tuned to presence of esters. Then go for 300V double ester.

Bro iam not saying that you said it this way, i was just saying that none of the fs oils are full esters, the actual composition of any oil is secretly held by the company, most of the time it's technical terminology to which these company play there cards.

[saumyadip]

Re: really confused !!

I did not say Motul 300V is 100% ester. The amount of ester in any engine oils varies from 5% to 20% (Max).
Oils having PAOs are manufactured from group 4 base stock and oils having esters are manufactured from group 5 base stock. According to oil rating organizations like ACEA, API, JASO etc, oils made from group 4 and 5 base stocks are FS oils.
Any other oils (not having PAOs or Esters) are not genuine FS oils.



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For a 100 cc bike, first try 7100 with single esters . Let the bike's engine get tuned to presence of esters. Then go for 300V double ester.

It has alreday tasted single ester Motul 5100 4t 15w50, though the engine feels smooth my bike lacks power.

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@Honda_abhi , thank you buddy and yes I sucked in chemistry during my +2, thankfully electrical engineering dosent have much chemistry
And that was very informative not at all boring, helped to understand why and what I felt with that oil on a chemical level
@ sparkot, damm indian oil seals, I have also experienced that anabond coated gaskets dont leak with 300v whereas 3-bond coated ones do, head cover gasket (rubber) is more prone. So thats a headsup ti use anabond instead of 3 bond.
@ksumaker yep no oil is 100% ester based but I think motul is coming up with something for that, motul france has some graphite engine coating too! Read it some where.
@ saumyadip buddy you will have tontop up and they will fall in level (more in summer less in winter), but it will be so smooth you wil like the extrafew bucks you are spending.



divyansh....

I am going with it bro..( Divyansh)

[Huzee]

Re: really confused !!

Has anyone tried mixing fully synthetic 300v motul with a mineral oil ? I got a 300v 1/2 liter remaining, should I mix that along with a urgently needed oil change (using mineral oil) as motul fs products are in very limited supply with stocks are depleted with major dealers.
Mixing mineral and FS would that be harmful or degrade properties of either of the oils ?

[SparKot]

Re: Engine Oils

2. Shell Rimula R3X as well as R4. Both are compatible but R4 is better slightly.

I see Shell Rimula R4 has API CI-4 spec on it.
Shell Rimula R4 - India

Is there any HDEO oil in Indian market with API CI-4 Plus spec bearing proper API Logo(donut) like JASO's?

[kusmaker]

Re: really confused !!

Has anyone tried mixing fully synthetic 300v motul with a mineral oil ? I got a 300v 1/2 liter remaining, should I mix that along with a urgently needed oil change (using mineral oil) as motul fs products are in very limited supply with stocks are depleted with major dealers.
Mixing mineral and FS would that be harmful or degrade properties of either of the oils ?

You can mix fs oil with ordinary mineral oil because oils are compatible with each other, if you are running low on oil and say you are getting only mineral oil at that time you can top it up with mineral oil, but don't make it routine practice of mixing oils, in the longer run mixed oils can get destabilized due to different properties of the additives plus negating the properties of additives, you will not harm your engine as long as oil remains in the engine but you will not be gaining any performance either, plus one should not mix different brands of oils(although occasionally it's ok), most of the oils are obtained from refining of the crude oil and are blend of base stock and additives, synthetic oils are made by inducing chemical properties to the finished, oil like Polyalphaolefin (PAO), organic esters, glycols and phosphate esters are examples of synthetics that are used to meet specific needs.

[Shubham2003]

Re: really confused !!

Hi all my bike is scheduled for a service and i need to change the oil .
Can u guys tell me what options i have for 200NS for engine oils excluding motul,bajaj??

[Divyanshp150]

Re: really confused !!

Hi all my bike is scheduled for a service and i need to change the oil .
Can u guys tell me what options i have for 200NS for engine oils excluding motul,bajaj??

No motul but why? !

Valvoline Premium 4T 20W50*
BPCL Mak 4T 20W50
Elf Sporti 20W50
Shell Advance SX 4 20W-50 Motorcycle 4 Stroke engine oil
divyansh....

[kusmaker]

Re: really confused !!

No motul but why? !

Valvoline Premium 4T 20W50*
BPCL Mak 4T 20W50
Elf Sporti 20W50
Shell Advance SX 4 20W-50 Motorcycle 4 Stroke engine oil
divyansh....

Are you talking of Mak 4T 20w50 stallion or Mak 4T- NXT, are the oils from Bpcl good.

[Divyanshp150]

Re: really confused !!

Are you talking of Mak 4T 20w50 stallion or Mak 4T- NXT, are the oils from Bpcl good.

I have used mak nxt only on one occasion
Nothing out of this world, held for about 2200km.
Nothing awesome about it, nothing too bad either.


divyansh....

[Honda_abhi]

Re: really confused !!

Hi all my bike is scheduled for a service and i need to change the oil .
Can u guys tell me what options i have for 200NS for engine oils excluding motul,bajaj??

As divynash already asked "Excluding motul" - why???
Did you have any bad prior experience with Motul??

[SparKot]

Re: Engine Oils

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Is there any HDEO oil in Indian market with API CI-4 Plus spec bearing proper API Logo(donut) like JASO's?

Found a Rimula R4 (Global Product Code : 001F0010) with API CI-4 Plus spec on http://www.epc.shell.com/ for Indian market; I'm not sure if it's available in India.

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but to my knowledge it's not 100% ester, it could be near 30 to 40% ester

What's the rest of 60-70% make up with in Fully synthetic oils?

[MENTION=49419]kusmaker[/MENTION] a gentle bump:
what does rest 60-70% of engine-oil constitute of? Dino Oil?

[Honda_abhi]

Re: really confused !!

It has alreday tasted single ester Motul 5100 4t 15w50, though the engine feels smooth my bike lacks power.

The engine lacks power because you were using 15w50 oil. Its way too thick for a 100 cc engine. Try 7100 10W40 single ester.

[saumyadip]

Re: really confused !!

Hi all my bike is scheduled for a service and i need to change the oil .
Can u guys tell me what options i have for 200NS for engine oils excluding motul,bajaj??

Bro there is nothing like motul, which handles bajaj engines so smoothly, though there are some engine oils that are good but loses life after barely 2000+ kms.