Engine Oils

[kbalakris6]

Help !!! Engine oil for my bike

Hello all,

i own a Honda shine 125 CC bike for 2 years now. i have clocked just 10K kms till now. My engine has been giving more noise right from my first service at honda showroom(doubt they put poor quality engine oil). So far engine oil has been serviced by them only.

Only this week i have changed to Shell AX7 10w-40. Is this correct one? Also help me in reducing my engine noise.

[Honda_abhi]

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Thanks for sharing. .. but I am laughing at the article.

Oil should be changed when there is increase in Cold start tries!!? When the wear in the engine is more!!? When it is taking more time to warm up!!?

I would say, dont follow even one of these suggestions. It is not applicable to our conditions and rides. These may be applicable to a vehicle running in alaska. But I doubt that even there a vehicle's engine would be opened up to check whether it is time to change oil.

Looks like a novice created a page from compilation of wild thoughts he ever had.

Owners manual's is the best method to follow. What max you could do is use higher quality oils and higher oil change frequency.

There is nothing to laugh about. Then being a chemical engineer, I also feel like laughing when someone changes oil after 2K kms. What is mentioned in the article is correct.

Read the last paragraph

"Miles covered by your bike.Reduction in viscosity levels of the oil I have always advised riders to check the viscosity of the oil by touching the oil after every 1K kms. This is a renowned method of checking the condition of oil which is followed worldwide.

Riders who just change oil bcoz the odo has clocked 2k KMs without checking the condition of oil, either have a lot of money to spend or are too paranoid and overcautious about it.

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Hello all,

i own a Honda shine 125 CC bike for 2 years now. i have clocked just 10K kms till now. My engine has been giving more noise right from my first service at honda showroom(doubt they put poor quality engine oil). So far engine oil has been serviced by them only.

Only this week i have changed to Shell AX7 10w-40. Is this correct one? Also help me in reducing my engine noise.

The correct engine oil grade for CB shine is 10W30. U can use 10W40 in summers where added protection is required during hot days of the year

[Honda_abhi]

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During that time, the ad wasnt there brother.

There is nothing wrong in continuing with the Motul oil mixed with 200 ml of Bajaj oil. But be aware that if the oil starts leaking again, then it is an indication that the oil additives are eating away the gaskets. There are reports by other members also that Motul oil do not suit bajaj bikes. Keep checking for oil leaks and oil levels regularly

[muztariq]

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There is nothing to laugh about. Then being a chemical engineer, I also feel like laughing when someone changes oil after 2K kms. What is mentioned in the article is correct.

Read the last paragraph

"Miles covered by your bike.Reduction in viscosity levels of the oil – Keep a tab on the levels of viscosity of your engine oil."

I have always advised riders to check the viscosity of the oil by touching the oil after every 1K kms. This is a renowned method of checking the condition of oil which is followed worldwide.

Riders who just change oil bcoz the odo has clocked 2k KMs without checking the condition of oil, either have a lot of money to spend or are too paranoid and overcautious about it.

Humm.. There is enough evidence that the article is written by a novice who does not know much about oils.. OK, As you are a chemical engineer, you would probably know how we measure viscosity. Viscosity cant be measured by fingers. I would talk about it later.

Here is what the article says:

Reduction in viscosity levels of the oil – Keep a tab on the levels of viscosity of your engine oil. Whenever the viscosity levels goes beyond the optimal level it is time for you to change your oil as at this stage the oil stops providing adequate lubrication which causes extra wear and tear between the moving parts of the engine.

Source:
Engine Oil - When & why should you replace it? - Ride till I dieUpdate: As I said, this website 'Ride till I die' where this article is posted, is an amateurish website. Started by some called Tanmay, Abhishek and Pratish. I am sure that they do not have access to the latest know how on oils and the article was from one of them and no motor oil expert.

HAHAHA... The reference of the oil was shared with us by someone having the handle Tanmayms !! Lol.. he is the owner of that website!!

Dear @modS, @The Monk, @Divya Sharan @sunilg are you listening? They are promoting their website through xbhp!!

[Balgi]

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[MENTION=47715]muztariq[/MENTION] bro. I read the article only after reading your post and honestly started to wonder if xbhp should start screening its new members for actually ability to ride and motorcycle knowledge. LOL, this article say oil change when more cold starts (not even more no. of attempts to start on cold engine) so, what? If someone lives in a place where it snows or temp is mostly low should just change oil every day. And wear and tear as indicators for oil change.......... What??!! If we could actually see wear and tear or empirically gauge it we wouldn't need oil, we would have made wear and tear proof parts with very specific service life.

And I honestly think the idiot who wrote the article meant viscosity as viscosity and not oil level. I think he was checking oil condition first with cold engine and then on hot engine which would basically make oil appear slightly thinner to touch when hot.

Forget shameless promotion of their website here on the thread, they are promoting it even in their profile man. These guys are shameless and stupid. I just hope they have valid licenses.

[Honda_abhi]

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I do not want to invest my time on such articles or even you for that matter. You laugh at people who change oil at 2K kms, its your choice. I cant stop you from laughing, but I am also having a liberty to laugh at a chemical engineer who can tell the fall in viscosity of oil by rubbing it between fingers.

Members come over here to share their experiences. There is nothing to laugh about on other people's posts. Also if you do not want to invest time on such articles, then why the hell comment on it and laugh and make a scenario as if u have more knowledge than others. And if you do, then please enlighten us about how does a layman motorcycle user check the viscosity of oil to find out when to go for a change. Just look at odometer reading?? huh??

What does your so called "superior knowledge" recommends? eh!! huh?

[muztariq]

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Members come over here to share their experiences. There is nothing to laugh about on other people's posts. Also if you do not want to invest time on such articles, then why the hell comment on it and laugh and make a scenario as if u have more knowledge than others. And if you do, then please enlighten us about how does a layman motorcycle user check the viscosity of oil to find out when to go for a change. Just look at odometer reading?? huh??

What does your so called "superior knowledge" recommends? eh!! huh?

You were the one who was laughing on members post.. not me! You would only get what you give to others.
I was laughing at the hilarious article. I have already proven why.

Ask vehicle manufacturers to include your method in the owners manual. Would save a lot of money and effort.
Owners manual is actually for laymen only.. please show me any owners manual having your method.

[vivek7593]

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[MENTION=47715]muztariq[/MENTION] bro. I read the article only after reading your post and honestly started to wonder if xbhp should start screening its new members for actually ability to ride and motorcycle knowledge. LOL.

Yup they should
I believe its the main reason why senior members dont indulge much here
There's huge difference before and after i joined xbhp..

Coming to oils i would like say that the new castrol power1 20w-50 oil is good..
I have had trouble free smooth and silent engine on splendour from past 1000kms..


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[Balgi]

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Yup they should
I believe its the main reason why senior members dont indulge much here
There's huge difference before and after i joined xbhp..

Coming to oils i would like say that the new castrol power1 20w-50 oil is good..
I have had trouble free smooth and silent engine on splendour from past 1000kms..


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Yes I have heard quite a few praises of Castrol power one oil. I personally have not used Castrol since its quality had dropped in 2005. But a lot has changed since then I suppose. What is the cost of Castrol power 1 oil and how fares it on the availability front?

[vivek7593]

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Yes I have heard quite a few praises of Castrol power one oil. I personally have not used Castrol since its quality had dropped in 2005. But a lot has changed since then I suppose. What is the cost of Castrol power 1 oil and how fares it on the availability front?

There are 2 variants available 1.power1 racing 10w50 fs oil. 2.power1 20w-50 oil
Having being using both in ns and splendour respectively
Both fare good and stand for atleast 6k (power1 racing) around 3k for power1

Power1 racing costs 750 per litre
And power1 costs 450 per litre
Even this oils are rare to find at my place
Luckily i found a authorised castrol stockist and tell the owner in advance to get them for me
I have a limited knowledge on oils and experience of it
I never got to try motul so can't compare it..
Have used other oils in castrol range but wasn't satisfied...
Then tried veedol superswift.. worst oil i have experienced uptil now..
And then have used gulf 4t pride it was better than veedol but not long lasting as castrol..

And by what members speak of motul..
I find my experience some what similar to experience they share of 7100 and 5100 ( by this i mean what they say about it )
It's like power1= motul 5100
Power1 racing = motul 7100

If you plan on using one make sure you get genuine one.. i have came across a fake castrol activ once..

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[sunilg]

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Guys, can we stop the personal attacks and get on the topic please?

[Ishwor]

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Yes I have heard quite a few praises of Castrol power one oil. I personally have not used Castrol since its quality had dropped in 2005. But a lot has changed since then I suppose. What is the cost of Castrol power 1 oil and how fares it on the availability front?

i recently used castrol power 1 20w40 on my fz.
It was an old stock around 6 years old.

I am from nepal and it is not available in the market.I went to Castrol distributer head office for Nepal and asked a bottle.When enquired about why it is not available in market the manager said the power 1 which i was handled was made in India(had pic of John on it) and currently they are distributing products which are imported directly from Dubai.

Regarding experience with it,it was preety good.Used it for 2092 kms.The oil dint burn that much and the colour was not dark.
But the oil had tirned very thin like water.
I would have used the oil for few more 100 kms but i was doing 590 kms highway tour so changed the oil.
All i can say is castrol power 1 20w40 isn't bad.
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[SparKot]

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how does a layman motorcycle user check the viscosity of oil to find out when to go for a change. Just look at odometer reading?? huh??

I think you'll agree if different riders pour same make/grade engine-oil in a given make/model motorcycle even-then wear-rates need not be same in each bike after 3000 kms. Coz, every component that comes in contact with engine-oil determines the degradation; including air-filter, oil-filter, crankcase components, rider, riding conditions not to mention fuel quality.

There are many theories floating around which address different biker-segments' needs.

We need lab-tests for inquisitive deep-pocket people. Most of the reports (esp from Blackstone Labs) were for larger displacement bikes with larger oil-sump & premium components inside.

We also need finger-tip testing theory(& many like it) to make roadside mechanic look convincing at what he does. A commoner(like me) can't afford lab tests and he/she falls back to crude estimates. These methods are here to stay unless someone comes up with cheaper, say TAN/TBN testing method at ₹ 5/-.

PS: Thanks to internet for I picked up so much valuable information so far.

[Honda_abhi]

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You were the one who was laughing on members post.. not me! You would only get what you give to others.
I was laughing at the hilarious article. I have already proven why.

Ask vehicle manufacturers to include your method in the owners manual. Would save a lot of money and effort.
Owners manual is actually for laymen only.. please show me any owners manual having your method.

Go back in this thread and see for yourself that U were the first one to talk about laughing at other member's articles and experiences. AND talking about owners manuals - Bajaj claims their DTSi oil to last for 10000 kms. Well why dont all Bajaj users follow that. I think if owners manuals are to be followed, then why are we all wasting valuable time talking about engine oils on this forum.

I think you'll agree if different riders pour same make/grade engine-oil in a given make/model motorcycle even-then wear-rates need not be same in each bike after 3000 kms. Coz, every component that comes in contact with engine-oil determines the degradation; including air-filter, oil-filter, crankcase components, rider, riding conditions not to mention fuel quality.

There are many theories floating around which address different biker-segments' needs.

We need lab-tests for inquisitive deep-pocket people. Most of the reports (esp from Blackstone Labs) were for larger displacement bikes with larger oil-sump & premium components inside.

We also need finger-tip testing theory(& many like it) to make roadside mechanic look convincing at what he does. A commoner(like me) can't afford lab tests and he/she falls back to crude estimates. These methods are here to stay unless someone comes up with cheaper, say TAN/TBN testing method at ₹ 5/-.

PS: Thanks to internet for I picked up so much valuable information so far.

It is near impossible to calculate the wear rate inside the engine. I was talking about changing oil after every 2K kms. and about laughing at other members articles and posts.

[TheArcher84]

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Guys, need your suggestions here. I am looking to change the engine oil in my CL500. Currently the SVC used Liquid Gun manufactured by the RE themselves. I am not going to give it to the SVC anymore as I find their work unsatisfactory. So, planning to change the oil myself and check with a good mechanic for niggles.

Suggest me a good engine oil please.