Engine Oils

[muztariq]

Re: Engine Oils

Guys, need your suggestions here. I am looking to change the engine oil in my CL500. Currently the SVC used Liquid Gun manufactured by the RE themselves. I am not going to give it to the SVC anymore as I find their work unsatisfactory. So, planning to change the oil myself and check with a good mechanic for niggles.

Suggest me a good engine oil please.

What is the Viscosity grade mentioned in the manual? I think its 15w50. Motul 5100 fits the bill perfectly in this case.
[MENTION=68044]Honda_abhi[/MENTION] thanks for your post.

[TheArcher84]

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What is the Viscosity grade mentioned in the manual? I think its 15w50. Motul 5100 fits the bill perfectly in this case.

Is that Synthetic or Mineral oil bro... ?? cant remember what the manual says. The reason being, people say they don't find much difference in performance while using Synthetic.

[SparKot]

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Does anyone know how Motul manages to sell Singapore JASO certified/licensed engine oils in India at affordable prices?

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It is near impossible to calculate the wear rate inside the engine...

Agreed, not in real time; even the estimates done later can be misleading.

Is that Synthetic or Mineral oil bro... ?? cant remember what the manual says. The reason being, people say they don't find much difference in performance while using Synthetic.

It's a Semi-Synth, and is likely to set you back by ₹ 530/ltr can.

[muztariq]

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Is that Synthetic or Mineral oil bro... ?? cant remember what the manual says. The reason being, people say they don't find much difference in performance while using Synthetic.

Its Semi-S. If I remember correctly the grade used in your bike is 15w50. You should check owners manual or previous bills to check which oil the manufacturer prescribes.
Fully-S would probably leak from your motorcycle.
[MENTION=36366]SparKot[/MENTION] its not so difficult to manufacture JASO certified oils in affordable prices. I would say Motul's price is on the higher side. Tide water and Savsol does it cheaper. Check JASO certification 'applied for' list from JASO website and see for yourself how many cheaper oils are enlisted.

[eliksir]

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n00b question.
Is 15w50 superior in every way over the 20w40 ?

[SparKot]

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@SparKot its not so difficult to manufacture JASO certified oils in affordable prices. I would say Motul's price is on the higher side. Tide water and Savsol does it cheaper. Check JASO certification 'applied for' list from JASO website and see for yourself how many cheaper oils are enlisted.

Last time when I asked a motul-facebook account, they said they're trying to locally produce 5100(French certificate) series.
What's actually stopping them when they can locally produce Singapore certified 3100 & scooter series & 3000 series certified from France region.

[muztariq]

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Last time when I asked a motul-facebook account, they said they're trying to locally produce 5100(French certificate) series.
What's actually stopping them when they can locally produce Singapore certified 3100 & scooter series & 3000 series certified from France region.

You should see the certification. I mean what spec is the oil complying. What do you mean by french certified and singapore certified?

[muztariq]

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n00b question.
Is 15w50 superior in every way over the 20w40 ?

No/yes. It depends on lot of factors.
Mostly 15w50 are SemiS oil. In comparison to 20w40 which are mineral oils usually, it is better.
But in a motorcycle where 20w40 is used, lets say Splendor, a 15w50 oil would circulate very slowly and cold starts would become dangerous. It may not circulate at all in some cold areas.
In a given motorcycle like the fz where both 20w40 and 20w50 are acceptable, 15w50 oil would come out the best.

[BPD]

Re: Engine Oils

Guys, need your suggestions here. I am looking to change the engine oil in my CL500. Currently the SVC used Liquid Gun manufactured by the RE themselves. I am not going to give it to the SVC anymore as I find their work unsatisfactory. So, planning to change the oil myself and check with a good mechanic for niggles.

Suggest me a good engine oil please.

Though I don't own a RE CL500, but very keen to have one someday. So did some research on that. As per my knowledge, RE has recommended 15W50 grade.
Motul 5100 15W50 can provide wonderful result in your AVL engine. Only after using it your engine can tell you how good he is feeling - lend your ears to him. After all its an Enfield - it talks. I'm sure you know that too.

Soulfuel

[BPD]

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I have karizma zma and i don't live in india, i was using shell Rimula R3 still in engine. Now the bike is parked for yr, which engine oil should be good so there will be no haram to engine.

Brother, I am also having a 2013 ZMA. I am using Motul 5100 15W50. Though the recommended grade is 10W30. Since, I use the bike for long distance touring, where the engine runs for prolong hours in low rpm and without a stop, got a very good result from that oil till now. You may source any mineral or semisynthetic 10W30 or 10W40 oil for your ZMA. My experience with full synthetic oil in the engine is not quite good. It seemed to me that the engine is not liking the synthetic oil.
Though my friend is using Mobil 1 4T 10w40, in his ZMA and he is happy with that.

Soulfuel

[SparKot]

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... What do you mean by french certified and singapore certified?

Just listing some for reference which I picked from photos in this thread, recent certificate may bear different OilCode on the bottle/can:

Oil brewed in(or sent/filed from) Singapore & OilCodes

• 3100 Gold 20w50 : M065MOT044
• 3100 Gold 20w50 : M065MOT018
• 4T 10w40 : M065MOT059
• Scooter LE 10w30 : M065MOT041

Oil brewed in(or sent/filed from) France & OilCodes

• 3000 4T Plus 20w40 : M033MOT072
• 3000 4T Plus 15w50 : M033MOT076
• 5100 Ester 15w50 : M033MOT057
• 7100 Ester 20w50 : M033MOT053

Ones that are packaged at Silvassa(India) are cheaper and are in par with local JASO certified oils. 5100, 7100 & 300v bottles are imported hence heavy import duty. As one can see, ester based series are being imported.

1. How can they produce oils with Singapore/France OilCodes in India? What's the procedure behind it?
2. What's stopping them from producing 5100 series in India? They'll be cheaper if done.

[devils_friend]

Re: Engine Oils

Just listing some for reference which I picked from photos in this thread, recent certificate may bear different OilCode on the bottle/can:

Oil brewed in(or sent/filed from) Singapore & OilCodes

• 3100 Gold 20w50 : M065MOT044
• 3100 Gold 20w50 : M065MOT018
• 4T 10w40 : M065MOT059
• Scooter LE 10w30 : M065MOT041

Oil brewed in(or sent/filed from) France & OilCodes

• 3000 4T Plus 20w40 : M033MOT072
• 3000 4T Plus 15w50 : M033MOT076
• 5100 Ester 15w50 : M033MOT057
• 7100 Ester 20w50 : M033MOT053

Ones that are packaged at Silvassa(India) are cheaper and are in par with local JASO certified oils. 5100, 7100 & 300v bottles are imported hence heavy import duty. As one can see, ester based series are being imported.

1. How can they produce oils with Singapore/France OilCodes in India? What's the procedure behind it?
2. What's stopping them from producing 5100 series in India? They'll be cheaper if done.

Once a company gets a JASO certification, they can manufacture the same in any part of the world. The registration number remains same irrespective of where it is manufactured. Also, opting for re-registering the same product is a costly affair and doesn't require, if the contents of oil are same. Incase they change the contents of the oil, they have to get JASO registration again (incase they want to).

Cheerz!!

[SparKot]

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Once a company gets a JASO certification, they can manufacture the same in any part of the world. The registration number remains same irrespective of where it is manufactured. Also, opting for re-registering the same product is a costly affair and doesn't require, if the contents of oil are same. Incase they change the contents of the oil, they have to get JASO registration again (incase they want to).

Ok, that brings us to second question:
What's stopping Motul from producing 5100 series in India? Leave the 7100 & 300v assuming lower demand in the market.

Another question,
I see a lot of oils of same grade from same maker, doesn't explains the costly affair. Perhaps they're different viz, Mineral/Semi-Synth/Full-Synth. Will cross check a set when I've time for it.

[devils_friend]

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Ok, that brings us to second question:
What's stopping Motul from producing 5100 series in India? Leave the 7100 & 300v assuming less demand in the market.

Another question,
I see a lot of oils of same grade from same maker, doesn't explains the costly affair. Let me check see if I can find one example.

Well, its a biz case for Motul. They know what is best for them and what isn't.

Cheerz!!

[SparKot]

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Well, its a biz case for Motul. They know what is best for them and what isn't.

Of course they do and thank you.

Alright,
Source of listing: http://jalos.or.jp/onfile/pdf/4T_EV_LIST.pdf

OilCode Viscosity Class Maker ProductName

5w30 MM033MOT093 MA Motul 300v 4T FL
5w30 MM033MOT121 MA Motul 300v FL Road Racing
5w30 MM001MOT020 MA Motul Motul 5100
5w40 MM033MOT122 MA Motul 300v FL Road Racing
5w40 MM033MOT094 MA Motul Motul 300v 4T FL
5w40 MM033MOT085 MA Motul Motul 300v Off Road
5w40 MM033MOT126 MA Motul Motul 300v Off Road
5w40 MM033MOT115 MA2 Motul 7100 4T
5w40 MM033MOT106 MA Motul Scooter Expert 4T
5w40 MM065MOT010 MB Motul Scooter Power LE 5w40

10w30 M033MOT116 MA2 Motul 7100 4T
10w30 M033MOT097 MA Motul 5100 4T
10w30 M033MOT111 MA2 Motul 5100 4T
10w30 M065MOT045 MA2 Motul 5100 4T 10w30
10w30 M065MOT058* MA2 Motul 3100 Gold 4T 10w30
10w30 M065MOT033 MA Motul 3000 Plus 4T 10w30
10w30 M065MOT038 MA2 Motul 3000 Plus 4T 10w30
10w30 M001MOT075 MA2 Motul Motul 3000 4T Plus
10w30 M033MOT107 MA2 Motul 3000 4T
10w30 M033MOT083 MA Motul Motul E-Tech Bike
10w30 M033MOT074 MA Motul Motul E-Tech Lub
10w30 M033MOT082 MA Motul Motul E-Tech Lub
10w30 M065MOT055 MA2 Motul Hi-Tech 100 4T 10w30
10w30 M065MOT053 MB Motul Scooter 4T LE 10w30
10w30 M065MOT041 MB Motul Scooter 4T LE 10w30
10w30 M065MOT026 MB Motul Scooter Expert LE 10w30
10w30 M065MOT054 MB Motul Scooter Expert LE 10w30

10w40 M033MOT091 MA Motul 300v 4T FL
10w40 M033MOT123 MA Motul 300v FL Road Racing
10w40 M033MOT101 MA Motul 7100 4T
10w40 M001MOT077 MA Motul Motul 7100 4T
10w40 M033MOT117 MA2 Motul 7100 4T
10w40 M033MOT073 MA2 Motul 7100 4T MA2
10w40 M065MOT014 MA Motul 5100 4T
10w40 M033MOT098 MA Motul 5100 4T
10w40 M065MOT016 MA Motul 5100 4T
10w40 M065MOT023 MA Motul 5100 4T 10w40
10w40 M001MOT021 MA Motul Motul 5100
10w40 M001MOT013 MA Motul Motul 5100 Ester
10w40 M033MOT112 MA2 Motul 5100 4T
10w40 M065MOT046 MA2 Motul 5100 4T 10w40
10w40 M033MOT096 MA Motul 5000 4T
10w40 M033MOT110 MA2 Motul 5000 4T
10w40 M065MOT021 MA Motul 3100 Gold 4T 10w40
10w40 M065MOT060 MA2 Motul 3100 Gold 4T 10w40
10w40 M065MOT039 MA2 Motul 3100 Gold 4T 10w40
10w40 M065MOT019 MA Motul 3100 Silver 4T 10w40
10w40 M065MOT052 MA2 Motul 3100 Silver 4T 10w40
10w40 M065MOT032 MA Motul 3000 Plus 4T 10w40
10w40 M065MOT035 MA2 Motul 3000 Plus 4T 10w40
10w40 M001MOT018 MA Motul Motul 3000
10w40 M001MOT010 MA Motul Motul 3000
10w40 M033MOT089 MA Motul 3000 4T
10w40 M065MOT013 MA Motul 3000 4T
10w40 M033MOT108 MA2 Motul 3000 4T
10w40 M033MOT088 MA Motul 1100 4T
10w40 M001MOT015 MA Motul Motul E-Tech 100
10w40 M001MOT024 MA Motul Motul E-Tech 100
10w40 M065MOT056 MA2 Motul Moto 4T 10w40
10w40 M065MOT029 MA Motul Hi-Tech 100 4T 10w40
10w40 M065MOT049 MA2 Motul Hi-Tech 100 4T 10w40
10w40 M001MOT016 MA Motul Kawasaki 100% Synthetic Premium 4-Cycle Engine Oil
10w40 M033MOT103 MA Motul Power Quad 4T
10w40 M033MOT128 MA2 Motul Power Quad
10w40 M033MOT104 MA Motul Quad 4T
10w40 M033MOT129 MA2 Motul Quad
10w40 M033MOT105 MA Motul Scooter Expert 4T
10w40 M033MOT133 MA Motul Suzuki Motorcycle 4T
10w40 M033MOT132 MA Motul Suzuki Scooter 4T
10w40 M033MOT131 MA Motul Suzuki SO-4T
10w40 M065MOT059* MA2 Motul Suzuki 4T 10w40
10w40 M065MOT034 MB Motul Scooter Expert LE 10w40

10w50 M033MOT118 MA2 Motul 7100 4T
10w50 M033MOT099 MA Motul 5100 4T
10w50 M033MOT113 MA2 Motul 5100 4T
10w50 M065MOT047 MA2 Motul 5100 4T 10w50
10w50 M065MOT050 MA2 Motul Moto 4T 10w50

10w60 M001MOT078 MA Motul Motul 7100 4T
10w60 M033MOT119 MA2 Motul 7100 4T

15w40 M065MOT051 MA2 Motul Moto 4T 15w40

15w50 M033MOT092 MA Motul 300v 4T FL
15w50 M033MOT124 MA Motul 300v FL Road Racing
15w50 M033MOT125 MA2 Motul 7100 4T
15w50 M033MOT100 MA Motul 5100 4T
15w50 M065MOT017 MA Motul 5100 4T
15w50 M065MOT015 MA Motul 5100 4T
15w50 M065MOT024 MA Motul 5100 4T 15w50
15w50 M001MOT022 MA Motul Motul 5100
15w50 M001MOT014 MA Motul Motul 5100 Ester
15w50 M033MOT114 MA2 Motul 5100 4T
15w50 M065MOT048 MA2 Motul 5100 4T 15w50
15w50 M033MOT095 MA Motul 3100 4T
15w50 M065MOT022 MA Motul 3100 Gold 4T 15w50
15w50 M065MOT040 MA2 Motul 3100 Gold 4T 15w50
15w50 M065MOT061 MA2 Motul 3100 Gold 4T 15w50
15w50 M033MOT076 MA Motul Motul 3000 4T Plus
15w50 M065MOT036 MA2 Motul 3000 Plus 4T 15w50
15w50 M065MOT028 MA Motul 3000 4T 15w50

15w60 M033MOT127 MA Motul Motul 300v Off Road
15w60 M033MOT086 MA Motul Motul 300v Off Road


20w40 M033MOT072 MA2 Motul 3000 4T Plus 20w40
20w40 M065MOT027 MA2 Motul 3000 4T Plus 20w40
20w40 M033MOT087 MA2 Motul Motul 3000 4T Plus
20w40 M033MOT079 MA Motul Motul 3000 4T

20w50 M033MOT120 MA2 Motul 7100 4T
20w50 M033MOT102 MA Motul 7100 4T
20w50 M065MOT020 MA Motul 3000 Plus 4T 20w50
20w50 M065MOT037 MA2 Motul 3000 Plus 4T 20w50
20w50 M033MOT090 MA Motul 3000 4T
20w50 M065MOT011 MA Motul 3000 4T
20w50 M001MOT019 MA Motul Motul 3000
20w50 M001MOT011 MA Motul Motul 3000
20w50 M033MOT109 MA2 Motul 3000 4T
20w50 M001MOT017 MA Motul Motul Twin Syn
20w50 M001MOT023 MA Motul Motul Twin Syn
20w50 M065MOT012 MA Motul Twin Syn
20w50 M065MOT025 MA Motul Twin Syn 20w50

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