Engine Oils

[Raccoon]

Hey guys, I recently got my suzuki access 125 and 1st service is due soon.

The a s s is recommending Suzuki Idemitsu 10w-30 synthetic, any other better oil to go for?

I had sent an email to mr Srinivas of motul Bangalore and he recommends motul 10w-30 mineral grade4000tplus , the stock fill from the factory is supposedly 10w-30 synth!

1. As the factory fill is synth, should I continue with synth or what?
2. Is 10w-30 okay for indian conditions, shouldnt 10w-40 as temeparature is already around 38 deg's or did i get this wrong?

KC

Dude, always stick to what the manual recommends. You can consider changing the viscosity only if the manual gives a viscosity chart for ambient temp. or something.

Are you sure the Suzuki Idemitsu oil is fully synthetic?? I really doubt that. Assuming its mineral, it would be good to stick to it for now. Later you can try something like Gulf Pride 10W30 which likely better and costs around Rs. 200... so the cost would be almost same as the Suzuki oil, I guess.

What is the drain period mentioned on the Suzuki Idemitsu oil, btw?

[HydBiker]

The a s s is recommending Suzuki Idemitsu 10w-30 synthetic, any other better oil to go for?

Doc, forget everything else & pls stick to that Suzuki Idemitsu 10W30 oil. It is not Synthetic. It is mineral oil and is a good one (we guess so as we've seen oils from the same manufacturer with same grade and rating working very good)

[nirvan]

Castrol Power1 is now available at Rs. 265 for in 10W30 grade, 900ml pack for Karizma motorcycles and other HH products that use this grade of oil.

I replaced the Gulf 10W30 semisynth oil with this. First impressions:

* The bike seems to rev a little easier
* Engine not as smooth as it would have been if mineral oil had been used.
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[HydBiker]

^^^ this is news. a good move my Castrol.

[velociraptor13]

^^^ this is news. a good move my Castrol.

castrol power1 is available in 900ml packs

[Raccoon]

Castrol Power1 is now available at Rs. 265 a liter in 10W30 for Karizma motorcycles and other HH products that use this grade of oil.

I replaced the Gulf 10W30 semisynth oil with this. First impressions:

* The bike seems to rev a little easier
* Engine not as smooth as it would have been if mineral oil had been used.
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Yes, I saw this several weeks ago at the Castrol dealer when I went to buy CRB for my Shogun.

As its from Castrol; and as can be expected, at a higher price/overpriced (Rs. 265 against Gulf's Rs. 200), I wasn't inclined at all to try it out.

Anyway, has anybody else used it? Any reviews?

Didn't understand this statement: "* Engine not as smooth as it would have been if mineral oil had been used." Do you mean that the bike felt LESS smoother than when you were using Gulf?

[velociraptor13]

I went to buy CRB for my Shogun.

err crb is for diesel engines dont u think?Btw i use it for my borewell compressor in my native place.

[Raccoon]

Well, CRB is one of the oils recommended by TVS, in the Shogun manual. And I have been using it since the begining (there weren't too many options anyways)... so bit reluctant to change. Also, the other options aren't even available anymore, AFAIK. CRB itself has gone thru changes in its formulation... and its a diesel only oil now. So I'm not sure if its the best option now. But its done its job till now... and heck, many people have extensively used diesel oils for gearboxes and even 4-stroke bikes.

Even tried to contact TVS about this... but they reffered it to the local dealer... and I got a rubbish answer.

Yes I know its used in compressors/gensets... and also trucks/tractors.

[velociraptor13]

Well, CRB is one of the oils recommended by TVS, in the Shogun manual. And I have been using it since the begining (there weren't too many options anyways)... so bit reluctant to change. Also, the other options aren't even available anymore, AFAIK. CRB itself has gone thru changes in its formulation... and its a diesel only oil now. So I'm not sure if its the best option now. But its done its job till now... and heck, many people have extensively used diesel oils for gearboxes and even 4-stroke bikes.

Even tried to contact TVS about this... but they reffered it to the local dealer... and I got a rubbish answer.

Yes I know its used in compressors/gensets... and also trucks/tractors.

in mumbai majority of the people use crb,delo,gtx & bp diesel engine oils in their splendors.Well believe it or not the bike gets damn smooth(managed to ride one of them just for curiosity)

[HydBiker]

Well guys earlier we used to have multi purpose oils that can be used in motorcycles, petrol cars & diesel cars... and CRB was one of them.

Now, if you can get those old formula oils I guess you can still use them happily... but then now a days most oils have become specialized and hence it is better we stick to the specialized stuff for each purpose.

[Raccoon]

in mumbai majority of the people use crb,delo,gtx & bp diesel engine oils in their splendors.Well believe it or not the bike gets damn smooth(managed to ride one of them just for curiosity)

Not just smooth... its said that they outperform other oils in their wear capablities, hence you can expect your engine to last longer and remain much cleaner. This is especially true when compared to the newer oils. Dunno to what extent this holds true in the field.

[Sarvajit]

I got the Petronas 4T 5000 10w40 full synth oil filled in my 5 year, 47K old Fiero F2 this Saturday. Took a couple of days to test it out. Observations as under:

1. Idling rpm has gone down by about 100-200 rpm, which is a significant change.

2. Most important characteristic I observed was the heat management. You have to see it to believe it. I rode the bike at 75-90 for 5-6 kms. Earlier, after stopping the idling rpm would have gone up by 200rpm, but now it remains the same as it was when I started it in the morning when the engine was cold!

3. Knocking has vanished, but that could also be due to the NGK Iridium Spark plug.

Whatever it is, going by my experience, I do feel that synthetic plays a major role in heat management. I cannot comment on the life of the oil since it is too early. But I don't think mineral oils have such good heat management capabilities.

[velociraptor13]

I got the Petronas 4T 5000 10w40 full synth oil filled in my 5 year, 47K old Fiero F2 this Saturday. Took a couple of days to test it out. Observations as under:

1. Idling rpm has gone down by about 100-200 rpm, which is a significant change.

2. Most important characteristic I observed was the heat management. You have to see it to believe it. I rode the bike at 75-90 for 5-6 kms. Earlier, after stopping the idling rpm would have gone up by 200rpm, but now it remains the same as it was when I started it in the morning when the engine was cold!

3. Knocking has vanished, but that could also be due to the NGK Iridium Spark plug.

Whatever it is, going by my experience, I do feel that synthetic plays a major role in heat management. I cannot comment on the life of the oil since it is too early. But I don't think mineral oils have such good heat management capabilities.

glad to see one more happy petronas user

[Raccoon]

I got the Petronas 4T 5000 10w40 full synth oil filled in my 5 year, 47K old Fiero F2 this Saturday. Took a couple of days to test it out. Observations as under:

1. Idling rpm has gone down by about 100-200 rpm, which is a significant change.

2. Most important characteristic I observed was the heat management. You have to see it to believe it. I rode the bike at 75-90 for 5-6 kms. Earlier, after stopping the idling rpm would have gone up by 200rpm, but now it remains the same as it was when I started it in the morning when the engine was cold!

3. Knocking has vanished, but that could also be due to the NGK Iridium Spark plug.

Whatever it is, going by my experience, I do feel that synthetic plays a major role in heat management. I cannot comment on the life of the oil since it is too early. But I don't think mineral oils have such good heat management capabilities.

Now this is really strange! After putting in Gulf Pride 4T in my CBZ-X, the idling RPM has gone down by about 2k!!! I really wonder how this happened... or weather its a good thing of bad.

And ya... the engine seems to heat up less too!

R15Rocks, which oil(s) are you comparing the Petronas with?

[razorBlades]

has anyone tried Motul 300v 5w40?
I was using castrol power1 racing and just switched to Motul.. The acceleration has come down a bit now.. any reasons? is there any way it is because of the oil?