Engine Oils

[Pinaki]

[OT]

... Can you pls advise where to procure the Air filter (i.e.Paper type), it needs a replacement but I could not find at any shop.

Read just 2 posts ago(up) where I said where you can get it . ( Bansal Motors near Jyothi cinema hall , wellington , kolkata ) . So the Splendor NXG uses replaceable pleated paper air-filter like the cbz ? My 2010 Splendor plus uses oiled-foam type , reusable .

So firstly oil the chain and then apply bearing grease right? As per PSR sir's recommendation,me too bought a tub of Bearing grease of MAK,500gms. But with Grease alone,its thrown away very quickly...

Yes , that is right .
Throw-off is the single major problem I have faced with my (non -O-ring) chain lubrication up to now . All of those i have tried are thrown off ,some more some less . I suspect you are using the softer white lithium base bearing grease ? I had same problem with it too . So now I am using the dark brown sodium base wheel bearing grease (NLGI3) used by truckers on wheel bearing & axle (not chassis grease) . It's harder with a fibrous look / texture and is very sticky . The combination of this particular grease & EP90 gear oil is keeping my chain maintenance interval ~ 1000+ kms i.e about a month and a half , which I can manage . Still on the lookout for a 3 month+ solution .
Gear Oil 90wt is recommended for chain lubrication by Honda because it penetrates into the rollers where lube is needed most . Best time to lube chain is just after a ride when chain is warm . Then let it sit with the oil overnight . The role of grease is to lock the oil in there , and sit the chain snug on the sprockets . So you don't need a lot of it , just a coat overall .Grease by itself is not a good chain lubricant as it can't penetrate inside the rollers . Unless you melt it in a pan and immerse the chain in the molten grease , which some people actually do .
But all my efforts may be in vain . See what Vishnu'jee writes about it in the GSR150 thread .

.... Just now, asked about the Splendor’s chain to a friend who still uses that bike. He too said that it lasted for about 100K kms in his bike but, he said, for the last stage – for the last 65K kms or so – he used it by tying the broken ends with pieces of plastic strings.
It was possible because the ‘power’ of that 97.2 cc bike is mere 7.4 bhp and torque 7.95 Nm. Negligible. In strict sense, no chain is needed for it.

[Drifty]

Thanks for the reply bro,Will get Gear oil and what about 20W40 engine oil? Will it be ok?

Welcome bro.Your query is well answered by Pinaki Sir.Although,a 20W40 oil will get off the chain very quickly at high speed runs,so its a good pratice to use Sae90 gear oil cause of its high viscosity.

[Aneesh@4GHz]

Welcome bro.Your query is well answered by Pinaki Sir.Although,a 20W40 oil will get off the chain very quickly at high speed runs,so its a good pratice to use Sae90 gear oil cause of its high viscosity.

Anyway,thanks bro.

[Honda_CBF]

^^I use 140 grade gear oil for chain (locally made) it stays on for some 700-800 kms. Its like grease when cold but becomes thick sticky oil when bike is running. Worthy thing.
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Err.. Aren't we all taking OT?? Its an engine oil thread, right..

[pioneeraron]

Hey guys it's time for a oil change in my bike.Owning a classic cbz.Been using Shell Advance Ultra FS 10w40 for the past 2000kms.Oil is light brown.Extremely smooth power delivery till now.Only issue im facing with this oil is the heat management.It's not that great cuz its a 10w40.Planning to stick to 20w40 or 20w50 now onwards.Im located in mumbai central suburbs.I plan to pour the Motul 7100 FS 20w50 this time.Im having problems procuring this oil locally.I called up Popular lubes in sewri but they dont home deliver.Now i just dont wanna go all the way to sewri just for a can of oil

Can anyone help me source Motul 7100 nearby?? Im located in Mulund.

[vishnukmd]

[OT] But all my efforts may be in vain . See what Vishnu'jee writes about it in the GSR150 thread .

It is an improper reading, Ji. You ignored the words hidden between those lines.

^^I use 140 grade gear oil for chain (locally made) it stays on for some 700-800 kms. Its like grease when cold but becomes thick sticky oil when bike is running. Worthy thing.

I too am using the same grade oil together with Castrol Premium Formula Gel (Lithium based) grease. Excellent, in my experience.

[psr]

[OT]
I suspect you are using the softer white lithium base bearing grease ? I had same problem with it too . So now I am using the dark brown sodium base wheel bearing grease (NLGI3) used by truckers on wheel bearing & axle (not chassis grease) . It's harder with a fibrous look / texture and is very sticky . The combination of this particular grease & EP90 gear oil is keeping my chain maintenance interval ~ 1000+ kms i.e about a month and a half , which I can manage . Still on the lookout for a 3 month+ solution .

Ji, I am using raw Lithium based Grease and in 2,000 Kms I had lubed the chain once at 1,500 Kms only...I have a pre owned ZMA with 23 K kms on ODO now .The previous owner had used light engine oil only for lube on the chain..Initially when I bought there was huge chain noise , which is now absent totally.....I have to look up the Heavy duty grease you had mentioned.

[Pinaki]

It is an improper reading, Ji. You ignored the words hidden between those lines.

I too am using the same grade oil together with Castrol Premium Formula Gel (Lithium based) grease. Excellent, in my experience.

Please forgive Vishnu'jee , I was joking willfully .. of course I understand what you implied . Moreover I just bought that severely underpowered but lovable bike just last year ... mainly riding it now .
Is your chain O-Ring type or non O-ring ?
The grease you are using is NLGI 2.5 (soft, looks like jelly, nice) and drops off quicker than castrols own "premium long life" NLGI 3 grease , causing loss of lubrication inside the rollers/pins . I have tried both type castrols as well as ELf lex3 Multipurpose grease . Same results , good for 500-800 kms in summer . Then it gets noisy again .

Ji, I am using raw Lithium based Grease and in 2,000 Kms I had lubed the chain once at 1,500 Kms only...I have a pre owned ZMA with 23 K kms on ODO now .The previous owner had used light engine oil only for lube on the chain..Initially when I bought there was huge chain noise , which is now absent totally.....I have to look up the Heavy duty grease you had mentioned.

You may have to look up quite a bit psr'jee , I just checked .. my 1 kilo red tub , "wheel bearing grease" written in hindi ,made by Hindustan Petroleum in 1995 . But should be available yet , as I see truckers use it even now, IOL/BPCL/HPCl made. The stuff inside is ok , no oil separation etc , dark brown colour and fibrous look/texture , very sticky, little hard , sodium-soap base . Remember that sodium base greases are incompatible with lithium base , don't let em mix in application . So you got to clean off the chain with kero before changing grease type . You can try 90 gear oil before the grease once for better penetration into the pin-rollers .
While we are on this topic , I also found that IOL still has an molten-grease type chain lube product in their lineup (SERVO Chain Compound).. dunno how/where it may be available . Check the file in this link - http://www.iocl.com/downloads/ilf/ChainGrease.doc . Thinking about it , how much work is it unmounting-remounting the chain ?

[psr]

You may have to look up quite a bit psr'jee , I just checked .. my 1 kilo red tub , "wheel bearing grease" written in hindi ,made by Hindustan Petroleum in 1995 . But should be available yet , as I see truckers use it even now, IOL/BPCL/HPCl made. The stuff inside is ok , no oil separation etc , dark brown colour and fibrous look/texture , very sticky, little hard , sodium-soap base . Remember that sodium base greases are incompatible with lithium base , don't let em mix in application . So you got to clean off the chain with kero before changing grease type . You can try 90 gear oil before the grease once for better penetration into the pin-rollers .
While we are on this topic , I also found that IOL still has an molten-grease type chain lube product in their lineup (SERVO Chain Compound).. dunno how/where it may be available . Check the file in this link - http://www.iocl.com/downloads/ilf/ChainGrease.doc . Thinking about it , how much work is it unmounting-remounting the chain ?

Thanks Ji for the heads up...these days I have become lazy ,otherwise i would have done some engine mods in my ZMA-R....though now it will take some time for me to decide to do it...

[vishnukmd]

Please forgive Vishnu'jee , I was joking willfully .. of course I understand what you implied . Moreover I just bought that severely underpowered but lovable bike just last year ... mainly riding it now.

Is your chain O-Ring type or non O-ring?

The grease you are using is NLGI 2.5 (soft, looks like jelly, nice) and drops off quicker than castrols own "premium long life" NLGI 3 grease , causing loss of lubrication inside the rollers/pins . I have tried both type castrols as well as ELf lex3 Multipurpose grease . Same results , good for 500-800 kms in summer. Then it gets noisy again.

May be correct, Ji. The cleaning/lubing subject is going on in full steam here and in some other threads and hence I did check the chain of my bike a few days ago. Each of the rollers are moving absolutely free.
I am sure that that NLGI 3 grease may be better as you said but the NLGI 2.5 I use seems to be equally good and effective; at least in my case.

[paulsonaivy]

It is an improper reading, Ji. You ignored the words hidden between those lines.




I too am using the same grade oil together with Castrol Premium Formula Gel (Lithium based) grease. Excellent, in my experience.

pls have a look at the videos for more information abt the GTOIL
GT OIL India
rgds paul

[vishnukmd]

pls have a look at the videos for more information abt the GTOIL

Sure; when I get time. But how did you manage to get out?

[paulsonaivy]

Sure; when I get time. But how did you manage to get out?

this how i managed to get out
pls look into the videos
GT OIL India
www.gtoilindia.com/videos.html

[amitmalve]

shelf life of a synthetic oil can?

I have a sealed can of castrol power 1 racing 10w50 FS oil can with a manufacturing date of May 2011. Being a xxW50 oil, i would like to use this oil during summers i.e in March 2012. So i want to know can i store this oil for so long? will it affect the oil's performance? What is the shelf life of a FS 4t oil?

[Pinaki]

You can store the oil for five years at least, in sealed container & a cool dark corner. I have used older oil, and it wasn't even synthetic, no problem .