Universal : Riding Gear Thread

[MidnightEvil Parth]

Re: Universal : Riding Gear Thread

Which jacket has a more slimmer fit, Rynox AirGT, Rynox Urban or BBG Xplorer?

Presently using size S older AirGT.

BBG amongst these.

[vnsk]

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About 2 weeks back I bought the BBG Explorer for myself and Lady Angel for my wife...Yesterday we went for 130 km ride and back...The jackets feel a little heavy...could be I never really used a real safety jacket before....The plus side is its got excellent ventilation. We started back at 1230 at noon when the avg temp was around 37 to 38.

[ktmcrazy9596]

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Me too.. But confused between Rhynox Tornado Pro L2 jacket.. Which is the best one??

I had purchased the Rynox Tornado Pro L2 a few weeks back after some suggestion on xbhp, I am impressed with the quality of the jacket.
I can vouch for it at that price point.

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More or less I made my mind.....fellow xBhp ian suggested TBG KNIGHT. That is my choice.... As it has a proper back protector...

Nice choice. Even I was looking at the TBG Knight, it is a great jacket but the price was above my budget. I bought the Rynox Tornado Pro, however, the fellow at the store was asking me to buy the new Storm jacket as it was almost of the same price and came with Knox Level 2 Protectors, Level 2 back Protector..shoulder metal slider and even chest pads (which he said can be upgraded to CE Level 1 Chest later).

[Pancham Hegishte]

Re: Universal : Riding Gear Thread

Which jacket has a more slimmer fit, Rynox AirGT, Rynox Urban or BBG Xplorer?

Presently using size S older AirGT.

Try Mototech, it has a slimmer fit than any of these. But the material used is quite flimsy.
Rynox Air GT v2.0 is much slimmer than the older Air GT.

You can try it and I am sure you will figure out the difference since you are already using the Air GT old version.

[apacherider]

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I had purchased the Rynox Tornado Pro L2 a few weeks back after some suggestion on xbhp, I am impressed with the quality of the jacket.
I can vouch for it at that price point.

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Nice choice. Even I was looking at the TBG Knight, it is a great jacket but the price was above my budget. I bought the Rynox Tornado Pro, however, the fellow at the store was asking me to buy the new Storm jacket as it was almost of the same price and came with Knox Level 2 Protectors, Level 2 back Protector..shoulder metal slider and even chest pads (which he said can be upgraded to CE Level 1 Chest later).

My budget was 6k and i stretched it to 8k.. Can't stretch any more.. [emoji17] hope the best in this budget is tornado pro l2..[emoji4]

[MidnightEvil Parth]

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My budget was 6k and i stretched it to 8k.. Can't stretch any more.. [emoji17] hope the best in this budget is tornado pro l2..[emoji4]

Tornado Pro L2 doesn't have a back protector. I would suggest you to wait.
It has a foam at back, pretty useless.

[apacherider]

Re: Universal : Riding Gear Thread

Tornado Pro L2 doesn't have a back protector. I would suggest you to wait.
It has a foam at back, pretty useless.

Ok brother.

[Astrix]

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My budget was 6k and i stretched it to 8k.. Can't stretch any more.. [emoji17] hope the best in this budget is tornado pro l2..[emoji4]

I have been using the Tornado Pro Jacket for a very long time now. You can read my previous posts. It's a brilliant jacket at that price.
Also the back protector (Foam) many brands call it "Dual-density" foam CE back protector is fake. Do not fall for this.
No renowned brand in the world provides Foam back protector which is CE certified (as none pass CE certification). Name it Sas Tec, Knox, D3o, Safetech none. Similarly, no international brand provide "Dual Density" foam based back protector because they are fake. You can check for yourself by writing to a CE certification lab like Satra or Richotech in Europe.
I know CE certification in and out now.

So if you want a good back protector to go for TBG Knight or Rynox Storm jacket or Spartan Hyperion. They are authentic back protectors. They all start at 9k+.

Foam back protectors do not pass Wet Test (1 of the mandatory tests of CE certification). Rynox is just being honest and not faking Foam "Dual-Density" CE back protector.

I would say look no further and go for the Tornado Pro L2 (Make sure you go for the L2 version only), L1 is less expensive but those come with Level 1 protector.

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Ok brother.

At this price, you will get only Foam back protectors in all jackets only.

Also, you always have an option of upgrading later to a Level 2 back protector for a price as low as 990/- by buying a safe tech level 2 back protector.

[MidnightEvil Parth]

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Yeah being honest by calling it a back protector. Nice nice.

L2 is a rather heavy jacket and for what ? Those microlocks ?

I would suggest against Tornado Pro L2. Rather buy a better jacket from other Knox brands with a proper back protector, in case you want Knox. Rynox doesn't even sell upgrades. Stay away. SBS zippers on Storm show the level of quality, also the chinese back protector, I won't rely on them.
I would consider checking better jackets or waiting for more, or getting the TBG itself.

[Astrix]

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Yeah being honest by calling it a back protector. Nice nice.

L2 is a rather heavy jacket and for what ? Those microlocks ?

I would suggest against Tornado Pro L2. Rather buy a better jacket from other Knox brands with a proper back protector, in case you want Knox. Rynox doesn't even sell upgrades. Stay away. SBS zippers on Storm show the level of quality, also the chinese back protector, I won't rely on them.
I would consider checking better jackets or waiting for more, or getting the TBG itself.

Have been using it since a year and Tornado Pro is not at all heavy. In fact, a fellow rider just mentioned about how he found a BBG Xplorer jacket to be heavy, but none of the jackets are heavy when worn.

You talk about them using the word "back protector". Of course it a protector but they are fair to not call it a "CE" approved one.
Why not talk about "Dual-Density" CE approved "fake" back protectors by other brands? Please talk about this, if you really know Foam protectors (Back) do not pass the Wet test of CE protection. So tell me jacket under 8k with an authentic CE back protector?

If they do not sell upgrades why stay away, rather a smart shopper will go and buy an upgrade from another website and not from Rynox..

SBS Zips are being used by brands like Adidas and Nike. So just don't find a reason as lame as zips to thrash a product. We are here buying protection and not zips.


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About 2 weeks back I bought the BBG Explorer for myself and Lady Angel for my wife...Yesterday we went for 130 km ride and back...The jackets feel a little heavy...could be I never really used a real safety jacket before....The plus side is its got excellent ventilation. We started back at 1230 at noon when the avg temp was around 37 to 38.

Don't worry. Most of them are made up of 600D polyester material and initially, it feels heavy.
In fact, if it feels lighter that's probably because the jacket is made up of a material with lower denier count like 300D etc.

That's fine. You and your wife are protected. That's more important.

[MidnightEvil Parth]

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Yeah now bring Adidas and Nike into the equation ?
Although my Adidas and Nike gears still use YKK here, I would still answer this.

Also, many fellow riders mention how Tornado is heavy. You have to agree that Knox microlock is heavy compared to competition, and this is a fact. Infact I like the knox flexiform, light and much better comfort. Yes it is a level 1, but does the job, until you go racing, where again, CE1 is enough if in a leather shell, CE2 is almost no help in a mesh shell.

I agree about dual density thing.

So the shopper buys a Rynox jacket with Knox and has to go Sastec way to get a back protector ? Or spend hefty amount and get a Chinese back protector and foam pads on chest ? That too of what size ?

I honestly see no point in this.

A smart shopper will always get the one with proper armours available in India, infact a smart shopper will pick a Shima instead of Rynox in 10k+ category.

Also, SBS zipper feel cheap, compared to YKK which is anyday better. Adidas and Nike using it doesn't mean SBS becomes #1 zipper and becomes Japanese ! [emoji23][emoji23]
Although Nike uses YKK, not SBS.
They are cheaper, infact very cheap compared to YKK which are authentic, Japanese and quality standard.

How many smart shoppers do we see everyday ? You hail Knox which is not even highly acclaimed.

Jacket under 8k with a back protector ? Check RideOn gears, they supply Knox AdvanceX at 6000 INR jackets. If this is not a proper back protector, I don't know what is.
And yeah, in Rynox, a foam becomes a protector. I wonder why Alpinestar gears that come with foam don't advertise this.

Zippers don't come in the product now ? We are here buying quality. Stop talking so much safety mate, we are not buying leathers in these jackets, it is still a mesh jacket.

That's it.

[philip.gunner]

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Try Mototech, it has a slimmer fit than any of these. But the material used is quite flimsy.
Rynox Air GT v2.0 is much slimmer than the older Air GT.

You can try it and I am sure you will figure out the difference since you are already using the Air GT old version.

Thanks for your input on AirGT V2.
Will find out if I can get to try the Mototech jackets here in Goa.

[ktmcrazy9596]

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Have been using it since a year and Tornado Pro is not at all heavy. In fact, a fellow rider just mentioned about how he found a BBG Xplorer jacket to be heavy, but none of the jackets are heavy when worn.

You talk about them using the word "back protector". Of course it a protector but they are fair to not call it a "CE" approved one.
Why not talk about "Dual-Density" CE approved "fake" back protectors by other brands? Please talk about this, if you really know Foam protectors (Back) do not pass the Wet test of CE protection. So tell me jacket under 8k with an authentic CE back protector?

If they do not sell upgrades why stay away, rather a smart shopper will go and buy an upgrade from another website and not from Rynox..

SBS Zips are being used by brands like Adidas and Nike. So just don't find a reason as lame as zips to thrash a product. We are here buying protection and not zips.

I have been using the Tornado Pro L2 daily for a few weeks in the city for my daily commutes and the jacket is light and does not feel heavy at all.
The ventilation of the jacket is amazing even in the city. The protectors are good. The fit and finish of the jacket feel like a premium one. Plus the orange color goes with my KTM too did not want to buy the black as a lot of my friends had the black one.

[Astrix]

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Yeah now bring Adidas and Nike into the equation ?


I agree about dual density thing.

You have spent an entire paragraph talking about SBS and YKK zips which are a small part of the product and besides, in your own review post you can read a fellow has commented that his jacket with YKK zip had problems and he had to get it repaired. Revit uses a zip by the name of SAB. Does that make Revit's jacket a bad one, just because they have not use YKK?

Rather than talking about Zip, let's talk about protection.

You pinpointed the fact that Rynox used a word "protector". Of course, it is a foam protector. They are genuine enough to not call it "CE" Foam Protector.
While most brands are not only using the word "Protector" but also using the word "CE" when it is not CE certified. If this happened in Europe the brand would have been going through a lawsuit by now.

Let's be fair and not bash a brand. There are shortcomings of every brand but selling products by using the word 'CE' when the back protectors are not CE is a crime!

All members of the forum should be aware of this. I do not want to name the brands who are doing this as I am not into bashing brands. I just want all members to be aware that Dual-Density or any back protector made up of Foam is not CE certified as it does not pass the Mandatory Wet test for CE certification. Let's keep brands aside and talk about this fake CE back protectors which are being sold by many brands. So fellow riders are aware of what fake stuff is happening in the market of India. Spend a paragraph writing about this rather, while you just covered this important point in a mere line, just to bash a brand over zips and upgrades and what not!

A smart shopper need not go to only 1 shop or brand to buy everything. Mototech sells Safetech back protector, why can't I pick a jacket from Spartan and buy a back protector after 3 months (when I wish to upgrade) from Mototech as they are selling a level 2 back protector for 990/- which suits my budget.

[MidnightEvil Parth]

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You have spent an entire paragraph talking about SBS and YKK zips which are a small part of the product and besides, in your own review post you can read a fellow has commented that his jacket with YKK zip had problems and he had to get it repaired. Revit uses a zip by the name of SAB. Does that make Revit's jacket a bad one, just because they have not use YKK?

Rather than talking about Zip, let's talk about protection.

You pinpointed the fact that Rynox used a word "protector". Of course, it is a foam protector. They are genuine enough to not call it "CE" Foam Protector.
While most brands are not only using the word "Protector" but also using the word "CE" when it is not CE certified. If this happened in Europe the brand would have been going through a lawsuit by now.

Let's be fair and not bash a brand. There are shortcomings of every brand but selling products by using the word 'CE' when the back protectors are not CE is a crime!

All members of the forum should be aware of this. I do not want to name the brands who are doing this as I am not into bashing brands. I just want all members to be aware that Dual-Density or any back protector made up of Foam is not CE certified as it does not pass the Mandatory Wet test for CE certification. Let's keep brands aside and talk about this fake CE back protectors which are being sold by many brands. So fellow riders are aware of what fake stuff is happening in the market of India. Spend a paragraph writing about this rather, while you just covered this important point in a mere line, just to bash a brand over zips and upgrades and what not!

A smart shopper need not go to only 1 shop or brand to buy everything. Mototech sells Safetech back protector, why can't I pick a jacket from Spartan and buy a back protector after 3 months (when I wish to upgrade) from Mototech as they are selling a level 2 back protector for 990/- which suits my budget.

Rev'it also uses proprietary armour. And YKK offers warranty on zippers in case you are not aware. The brand respected the warranty. Simple. SBS doesn't as far as I know.

Anyways this CE, non CE, I would rather pick a proper back protector from any good brand. Don't really need to write a paragraph on it. Rubber is the lowest I would snoop for a proper back protector, not as low as a foam 'protector'.

Calling double foam as CE is crime, same as calling foam a protector. Simple. Stay happy with a foam 'protector' on the back and chest. Nice !

A smart shopper knows things don't always 'fit'.
And don't even bring me to safetech, exactly 990. Built to a price. Not to the levels of top notch quality. Though yes better than China protector level 2 that some brands use in 'premium' jackets.