Universal : Riding Gear Thread

[aditya_iyer]

@B7ACKTHORN
How much extra does it cost for the liners, i have read that the rain/thermal liners can also be used separately, so the only issue comes in either sourcing it from Mumbai/Banglore or buy it online & ask them to ship it to my address

Overall, i think between Scoyo & Spartan...Here are some advantages & dis-advantages

Scoyo JK17/JK21
+good design & make
+good VFM
+armor set seem of good make
-prateek2210 said despite being a summer jacket, it will make someone sweat unless they ride
-availability (seems to be a dealer issue)
-Scoyco seem to be increasing their cost as their brand is spreading

Spartan Icarus
+looks trendy & not so catchy design & instead focusing on giving a formal look
+amour set seems great (just heard about it but definitely seems good enough for price range)
+stand-alone rain-wear liner with additional cost for thermal wear (seems legit)
+seems to be a excellent local brand with moto of "by a biker, for a biker"
-availability(spartan seems to be working on that)
-compared to Helios, Icarus seems to be having less Scotchlite that could affect night-riding & slight size issues regarding sleeves/jacket size (can't say much unless i see one)

[B7ACKTHORN]

@B7ACKTHORN
How much extra does it cost for the liners, i have read that the rain/thermal liners can also be used separately, so the only issue comes in either sourcing it from Mumbai/Banglore or buy it online & ask them to ship it to my address

Since I have very bad memory, I can't reckon the additional prices of the liner and armor, but here goes.

I think 500 for an additional liner and 700 something for upgradable KNOX armor. The jackets retails for 6.3 k so it should total to close to 7.5K fully loaded. For more info send a mail to [email protected]

Cheers!
VJ

[HellsFury]

Since I have very bad memory, I can't reckon the additional prices of the liner and armor, but here goes.

I think 500 for an additional liner and 700 something for upgradable KNOX armor. The jackets retails for 6.3 k so it should total to close to 7.5K fully loaded. For more info send a mail to [email protected]

Cheers!
VJ

The rain liner comes with the jacket. The thermal liner can be bought for Rs. 800/- plus Rs. 100/- shipping.

[B7ACKTHORN]

The rain liner comes with the jacket. The thermal liner can be bought for Rs. 800/- plus Rs. 100/- shipping.

Exactly. The rain liner is standard and thermal is extra or vice versa

Cheers!
VJ

[aditya_iyer]

Since I have very bad memory, I can't reckon the additional prices of the liner and armor, but here goes.

I think 500 for an additional liner and 700 something for upgradable KNOX armor. The jackets retails for 6.3 k so it should total to close to 7.5K fully loaded. For more info send a mail to [email protected]

Cheers!
VJ

I guess you are talking about Helios that comes with option to upgrade to KNOX armour right as i dunno if Spartan would do that to their budget product Icarus though even if that's possible then also i dunno if the cost will touch 7.5k which seems to be the price of their premium product Hyperion. I guess @Sunnyside_up! can shed some light on it

The rain liner comes with the jacket. The thermal liner can be bought for Rs. 800/- plus Rs. 100/- shipping.

Thanx, that's what i was talking about.But Icarus => 4300+800=5100 & 5200 considering shipping, sounds fair but damn my account statement & fake A*, must come up with some devilish plan to solve this

What is the usual procedure to care for PU armours & jacket as i guess Scorhlite loses it's effectiveness in water soon

[slevynhawk]

how much a jacket, knee pad and elbow pad costs....???

[B7ACKTHORN]

how much a jacket, knee pad and elbow pad costs....???

A proper riding jacket in and of itself is equipped with shoulder and elbow guards i.e. pads. The prices range from 5k all the way upto 40k even more, just so you asked. A decent knee guard would set you back at 2.5k to 3k.

Cheers!
VJ

[Sunnyside_up!]

@B7ACKTHORN
How much extra does it cost for the liners, i have read that the rain/thermal liners can also be used separately, so the only issue comes in either sourcing it from Mumbai/Banglore or buy it online & ask them to ship it to my address

Overall, i think between Scoyo & Spartan...Here are some advantages & dis-advantages

Scoyo JK17/JK21
+good design & make
+good VFM
+armor set seem of good make
-prateek2210 said despite being a summer jacket, it will make someone sweat unless they ride
-availability (seems to be a dealer issue)
-Scoyco seem to be increasing their cost as their brand is spreading

Spartan Icarus
+looks trendy & not so catchy design & instead focusing on giving a formal look
+amour set seems great (just heard about it but definitely seems good enough for price range)
+stand-alone rain-wear liner with additional cost for thermal wear (seems legit)
+seems to be a excellent local brand with moto of "by a biker, for a biker"
-availability(spartan seems to be working on that)
-compared to Helios, Icarus seems to be having less Scotchlite that could affect night-riding & slight size issues regarding sleeves/jacket size (can't say much unless i see one)

Without any disregard to the Scoyco brand which I consider also to be pretty well made, please note:

1. The moulded PU armour used in the ICARUS is superior and comparable even to the ones used in the RJays premium range. In fact it uses the Type B men's size as standard whereas most others use Type A (youth and small men) where PU armours are used.
2. The stand alone rain liner is also unique to the Icarus at this price point. No other brand offers it.
3. ICARUS was designed as an entry level/commuter jacket where the emphasis was on protection at a price point that was affordable. Armour upgrades are neither offered nor possible.

Since I have very bad memory, I can't reckon the additional prices of the liner and armor, but here goes.

I think 500 for an additional liner and 700 something for upgradable KNOX armor. The jackets retails for 6.3 k so it should total to close to 7.5K fully loaded. For more info send a mail to [email protected]

Cheers!
VJ

VJ - you will be happy to know that Spartan ProGear now uses KNOX armour as standard across the board for all products except the ICARUS. The HELIOS too now comes with KNOX as default for Rs.6300 inclusive of all taxes with its trademark rain liner packaged in as default.

I guess you are talking about Helios that comes with option to upgrade to KNOX armour right as i dunno if Spartan would do that to their budget product Icarus though even if that's possible then also i dunno if the cost will touch 7.5k which seems to be the price of their premium product Hyperion. I guess @Sunnyside_up! can shed some light on it



Thanx, that's what i was talking about.But Icarus => 4300+800=5100 & 5200 considering shipping, sounds fair but damn my account statement & fake A*, must come up with some devilish plan to solve this

What is the usual procedure to care for PU armours & jacket as i guess Scorhlite loses it's effectiveness in water soon

As mentioned above, the ICARUS does not have an upgrade option. In fact the only upgrade option available is the back armour in the jackets (except ICARUS) to the KNOX Advance back protector.

PU armour does not require any special maintenance except that it is recommended to remove the armour from the apparel before hand washing in cold water with mild detergent. Genuine ScotchLite does not degrade with washing. It only gets damaged due to constant abrasion or chafing. If the material looses its reflectivity just due to washing that is probably because it wasn't ScotchLite to begin with but some cheaper alternative.

[prateek2210]

how much a jacket, knee pad and elbow pad costs....???

Ranges from 2k to 25k....choice is yours

[B7ACKTHORN]

VJ - you will be happy to know that Spartan ProGear now uses KNOX armour as standard across the board for all products except the ICARUS. The HELIOS too now comes with KNOX as default for Rs.6300 inclusive of all taxes with its trademark rain liner packaged in as default.

Superlikey. I will be getting the ACHILLES very soon. My favorite of all one. If you guys can work on something with entire sleeves coupled with the shoulder with 1.3 to 1.4 mm leather, I would be the first person to rejoice.

PU armour does not require any special maintenance except that it is recommended to remove the armour from the apparel before hand washing in cold water with mild detergent. Genuine ScotchLite does not degrade with washing. It only gets damaged due to constant abrasion or chafing. If the material looses its reflectivity just due to washing that is probably because it wasn't ScotchLite to begin with but some cheaper alternative.

+100 to those points! Spot on!

Cheers!
VJ

[aditya_iyer]

Wow, i am damn lucky to get a prompt & very informative message from @Sunnyside_up! sir himself as well as great advice from @B7ACKTHORN & @prateek2210. Just regret my decision of not finding this thread earlier & probably wasting my time on the fake A*

@Sunnyside_up! sir, just one last query...my shoulder size is 18inches & sleeves length is 21 inches(distance from shoulder to wrist) & i mostly wear a size 'L' in shirts/tshirts though some are also 'M' size. which size would you recommend for me in Icarus

[princesirohi]

RJays Swift jackets are good, but not great. At flesh level, both Sparan and RJays Swift are basically the same in my opinion. But where the Spartan takes the lead is, with the goodies it offers, the armor quality and the added liners etc, of course with added price, but doesn't pinch the pocket too much.

Cheers!
VJ

Rjays has "Powertector" armour, which is also reputed and good brand, similar to knox.

From where did you get your A* jacket from? It's definitely a fake one buddy. I've personally never seen such crazy design pattern from A*

But helmet wise I think the deal was okay. Jacket wise A* brands are very costly even for a basic jacket.

Cheers!
VJ


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100 % agree, i have personally seen this jacket at laxmi automobiles, j.m. road, pune, and it felt cheap and fake, with very little protection, the back protection was a joke.

Why risk with local brand jackets, even LS2 dont make jackets.

The comparison of the three brands is there in my signature

Thats strange as i saw LS2 jackets for 6k at his store

PS- Can anyone tell me where i can get Scoyo's jackets & gears in Pune or online

LS2 does make jackets, it's just recently introduced, IIRC Blackthorn had posted a pic from their facebook page in this forum, but it seems too costly to get anyone's attention.

Cheers
Ride Safe
Krishna

LS2 jackets have been launched off late, and their starting range is from 6k if I am not wrong. But I would never spend on a paisa on an LS2 jackets. I've never even seen them or worn them for that matter. But by the looks of it, definitely an inferior stuff, more or less in the range DSG Nero range, personally.

VJ

i have seen this LS2 jacket in person at laxmi automobiles, j.m. road, pune. it is not of good quality and back protector is very very thin.

i went there to purchase a studds chrome helmet for my wife as a gift.. (yet to purchase a new helmet for myself)

at that time i saw this LS2 and fake looking A* jacket, point to note is this store is a branch of laxmi automobiles, nanapeth, pune which is the all india distributor of LS2 & CROSS helmets. so it was shocking for me too.

another point worth mentioning, to which lots of you guys may differ is--- i had a CROSS helmet and my friend Gopa (also xbhpian) has a LS2, and we both are not satisfied with the quality of LS2 & CROSS helmets, my helmet padding (thermocoal type) had a hole in it, not to mention foam padding was also of cheap quality and its velvet like material wore off within a week of purchasing and dealer refused to replace (champion sports). also its cloth near stitching on the strap tore off within a month. the foam/sponge liner used to protrude out of helmet from below and used to get wet in rains.

similarly gopa's helmet also had some quality issues with sun visor and its actuating mechanism. could not be repaired.

also these helmets are heavy 1650 gms as compared to say a studds ninja (1350 gms)

i genuinely think LS2 and CROSS are not very good quality helmets, but we don't have much options iin that price range.

sorry for posting about helmets in this thread, but i have never mentioned this on xbhp and it automatically came out while remembering laxmi automobiles. though the owner is a good person, and lack of options may force me to again opt for an LS2 or CROSS. quality of materials and workmanship of studds is much better

[Sunnyside_up!]

Wow, i am damn lucky to get a prompt & very informative message from @Sunnyside_up! sir himself as well as great advice from @B7ACKTHORN & @prateek2210. Just regret my decision of not finding this thread earlier & probably wasting my time on the fake A*

@Sunnyside_up! sir, just one last query...my shoulder size is 18inches & sleeves length is 21 inches(distance from shoulder to wrist) & i mostly wear a size 'L' in shirts/tshirts though some are also 'M' size. which size would you recommend for me in Icarus

Aditya - please refer your query to the SPG HelpDesk - [email protected]

[aditya_iyer]

Aditya - please refer your query to the SPG HelpDesk - [email protected]

Ok Sir, thanx again for the info

[B7ACKTHORN]

Rjays has "Powertector" armour, which is also reputed and good brand, similar to knox.

Even Powertector is used in very famous jacket brands outside. I am in no way gonna put it's reputation at stake. But it's just that KNOX is a step forward, plus branding plays a big role. Ultimately both more or less do the same job when it comes to impact. It's just that "REFRESHING" or constantly "INNOVATING" a product is where it makes the difference.

i have seen this LS2 jacket in person at laxmi automobiles, j.m. road, pune. it is not of good quality and back protector is very very thin....another point worth mentioning, to which lots of you guys may differ is--- i had a CROSS helmet and my ......are not satisfied with the quality of LS2 & CROSS helmets, my helmet padding (thermocoal type) had a hole in it, not to mention foam padding was also of cheap quality and its velvet like material wore off within a week of purchasing and dealer refused to replace (champion sports). also its cloth near stitching on the strap tore off within a month. the foam/sponge liner used to protrude out of helmet from below and used to get wet in rains.

similarly gopa's helmet also had some quality issues with sun visor and its actuating mechanism. could not be repaired.

also these helmets are heavy 1650 gms as compared to say a studds ninja (1350 gms)

i genuinely think LS2 and CROSS are not very good quality helmets, but we don't have much options iin that price range.

sorry for posting about helmets in this thread, but i have never mentioned this on xbhp and it automatically came out while remembering laxmi automobiles. though the owner is a good person, and lack of options may force me to again opt for an LS2 or CROSS. quality of materials and workmanship of studds is much better

I appreciate for the honest review, and I agree to the points you've stipulated above. First off, Cross, and LS2 are beginner helmets to start with. I'm not a big fan of Cross though not to underestimate Cross too. Fact of the matter, at least 40% of the LS2 helmets that are sold out there, at least in my opinion are definitely fake, no matter how hard it's to convince someone or no, depends upon the user.

But I guess a genuine LS2 provided it's reputation elsewhere shouldn't be inferior in anyway. Think about it, if a same company that manufactures LS2 in China for a company that's headquarted in Spain, can't others replicate the same LS2 to near perfect looks and resell them? It's possible.

Even a 100 rupess helmet is a helmet and a 50,000 rupess helmet too is a helmet. Everyone wants something affordable with good protection without pinching ones pockets too much. I don't believe in you get what you pay for. Even the best have some defects which are easily overlooked, and one can go about saying, oh boy, that's a defect I can get it myself, why didn't the QC guys at factory missed it or overlooked it, it happens, it happens for every thing out there.

Now regarding the holes, there are certain holes in helmets inside the EPS layer for ventilation purposes, where you see the vents. How do you think the inlet/exhaust vents work? There definitely has to be a way inside the helmet to breathe or let the air in, so holes in the EPS layer isn't a big deal. You'll have to differentiate which hole is what and what it's intended to do.

If you have a crash and the inner layer of your helmet is cracked for that matter, it's time to throw the helmet. It doesn't mean it's fake, it did its job of protecting ones head cushioning the impact.

Cheers!
VJ